I just think he will be a great signing. I was just pushing the boundaries with "superstar"
FAO Dumpstar, regarding Meireles
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I just think he will be a great signing. I was just pushing the boundaries with "superstar"
Stevie Me is fecked imo its only going to get worse for him.
Great signing? Reckon in that case it will be very much a question of definition.
He will never be a player that will carry the team, like a great player.
He's another one, who in a year or two just as easily will be displayed by another one you lot think will be an upgrade.
I think you might need to re-read because that isn't what I was saying nor is it what I think.
Why?
um he is 31, injury issues, competition for places..that sorta ting!
So he's coming toward the end of his career? Hardly fecked. He can still contribute a great deal in the next 3 seasons. Just look at giggs who was suffering massively with hamstring injuries in his early 30s and turned it around.
Giggs' technical ability is magical. And he's become a super intelligent football as he's grown older.
Apologies if I've misinterpreted it but still reads that way to me. You suggest the priority was to get rid of the deadwood with it being unimportant if the replacements were better. Perhaps you were referring to SPurs but the "Same with Spurs fans" comment threw me.
Define it however the heck you want cnut. I like what I see. He brings balance, pace, width, and most of all intelligence. He can play, left, right or in the hole and he creates space for others.
If we replace him with better in 2 years then I won't be complaining. If we repalce him with worse it will be a different matter
"Downing" and "superstar" don't belong in the same sentence.
Secondary doesn't mean unimportant though, what I was saying was that it seemed like people were happier getting rid of players more than anything else. Yes, they're very happy that players were brought in but getting rid of the 'deadwood' was always key. I think it's a bit ridiculous how often players by both Liverpool and Spurs are sold on, and how it's then celebrated by both sets of fans.
That's not to say it's only these fans who like it - as we see here, https://www.redcafe.net/f6/so-deadwood-staying-337354/ - it just happens more often at your clubs than any other top clubs, and despite the obvious negative repercussions it's still championed as a great move when 'improvements' are brought in. Bringing in better players clearly isn't the only way to improve, sometimes sticking with the 'lesser' players brings a lot more benefits. Surely we're a good example of this with people like O'Shea, Brown, Fletcher and Carrick being a few of those in recent years that many have suggested aren't good enough and should be improved on, yet all have had seasons as first choice and been very influential at points. Other teams may have gotten rid of them before. Or maybe someone who's a bit more relevant like Anderson, who you lot might have happily shipped off this summer or even last summer.
That's not to say it's only these fans who like it - as we see here, https://www.redcafe.net/f6/so-deadwood-staying-337354/ - it just happens more often at your clubs than any other top clubs, and despite the obvious negative repercussions it's still championed as a great move when 'improvements' are brought in. Bringing in better players clearly isn't the only way to improve, sometimes sticking with the 'lesser' players brings a lot more benefits. Surely we're a good example of this with people like O'Shea, Brown, Fletcher and Carrick being a few of those in recent years that many have suggested aren't good enough and should be improved on, yet all have had seasons as first choice and been very influential at points. Other teams may have gotten rid of them before. Or maybe someone who's a bit more relevant like Anderson, who you lot might have happily shipped off this summer or even last summer.
Nonexistent. Stevie walzes into the team and shits from a great height on anyone who dreams of taking his place.
So basically he's bigger than the club. Mr. Liverpool.
I understand your point now, good explanation. I also agree. Our deadwood however was proper deadwood, not above average, experienced journeymen like the ones you mentioned. We also can't be accused of not giving a lot of them a chance as they were on our books for years. While there will be people, including Liverpool fans, who will argue that meireles and Aquilani were not given a proper chance, the same argument cannot be made for Degen, Poulsen, Konchesky, Insua, Cole, Kyriakos, and the rest.
Get rid of deadwood.
Sign more deadwood.
Re-sign deadwood that you got rid of 4 years ago.
Claim one of your best players from last season is deadwood.
The Liverpool way.
Sign more deadwood.
Re-sign deadwood that you got rid of 4 years ago.
Claim one of your best players from last season is deadwood.
The Liverpool way.
That's exactly what Modric is so good at. He's at his best in a deeper position to Lampard anyway, and he looks just as good defensively as Meireles. I think you're seriously misjudging Modric as a player if you think that Meireles is the more suitable signing than him in terms of positioning, defensive output or linking the team.
Gerard has been technically excellent all his career and you dont play at his level without being a very intelligent footballer so I think he will be influential for the next few years.
No what is being said is when fit he is the best midfielder at Anfield out of the current crop based on experience and ability.
He's by no means finished, but i doubt he'll ever be as consistently good as he used to be, nor will he age anywhere near as welk as young Ryan.
Ah yeah Im not saying that he can refind the form of his peak sure nobody can as they age but he can still be a big influence in key games. To say he's finished at 31 is wishful thinking for some. Not many age as well as Giggs but I'll take him aging half as well and he'll still be worth playing when 35
Think his body will have said good night and farewell by the time he's 35, to be honest.
Villas Boas a Portuguese manager bought Meireles.
Dalglish a Scotsman bought Charlie Adam.
Do we really need to say more than this?
Dalglish a Scotsman bought Charlie Adam.
Do we really need to say more than this?
Why the feck did Wenger screw up this symmetry by signing Arteta???
I wasn't aware that he wanted to renegotiate his contract, after only a year at the club, I can see that leading to lots of goodwill and feeling surrounding him vanishing quite quickly.
I can see why you would link him to Benayoun though that is a difficult comparison on our end as he got a season-long injury last September and wasn't favoured by Villas-Boas. If he were fit and available most of the season that would have made us a much more viable side going forward as we wouldn't have been reliant on filtering Kalou and Anelka in and out of the right side position for a year when they were both out of form.
We of course have a similar situation brewing in our midfield which is thinning out, where an extra body can add an awful lot of promise. Naturally Ramires and Lampard would be the two likely contenders in the middle and if Meireles didn't come it would be Romeu straight from Barcelona B, McEachran still being introduced to first team football, and Mikel who has gone sideways since Mourinho left four years ago now. We could throw a curveball, we might decide to play Mata through the middle supported by Ramires and Meireles with Malouda on the left flank or we could have Malouda in the midield with Mata on the left.
Bringing in Meireles gives us lots of credible options I feel and importantly give us extra manpower so the likes of Ramires and Lampard don't have to play every game this season, bringing in a very decent player that allows everybody else to stay very fresh and alert is an astute purchase.
We'll see about Gerrard, I think he'd do okay this season when he gets back and then go downhill from there.
But sometimes it's obvious that players are finished around 30, Henry being a classic case...
Seems to be a slight UK in, foreign players out thing going on at Liverpool. Not massive but noticeable.
It's understandable though, because you do need 8 homegrown players. Dalglish is probably just making sure they don't ever have to worry about fulfilling the quota. Going from Meireles to Adam is a sideways move footballistically, but Adam is more valuable within a squad.
Meireles is a better player than Adam so its not a sideways move "footballistically" unless of course you count replacing Fabregas with Arteta a sideways move too.
Because Rennes wouldn't sell him M'Vila who was main target all along. Same goes for Sochaux and Martin who they wanted ahead of Benayoun apparently.
Couldn't disagree more. Meireles to Adams is a step down.
True that Meireles gives you fluidity in midfield. He's not bad at the one touch stuff if Boas intends to bring that in and will keep your squad fresher through a long season. But the position you're thinking of filling is more suited to a Modric type player.
Him leaving has weakened our squad and strengthened yours. But he hasn't weakened our first team and I doubt he's strengthened yours - if you see what I mean.
Modric has played behind VDV in a two man midfield at spuds. I just don't get your logic here at all. How does this mean he has to play where Lampard plays?
He was a last minute panic buy when it finally, finally, finally dawned on Chelski that Modric wasn't actually coming.
At best you could describe him as an astute purchase in panic-stricken circumstances ... and that really is "at best".
Have you got your money yet Glaston?
Most of it ... I just need to send a PM reminder to a couple of posters.
The first murmourings I heard about a deal for Meireles was I think the weekend before last, the idea being reported that Sturridge would have gone the other way.
Villas-Boas has being saying for quite a few weeks that we wanted two new midfielders and a winger.
Am I really reading this? A Spurs fan, and supporter who's manager is Harry Redknapp lecturing someone about panic buying and spur of the moment deals?
That FF ad with Stelling is probably how Harry spends his summers and January's and how he goes about constructing his squad.
It might be slightly. Meireles' performances last year are being a tad over-rated. He played OK but faded. Adam isn't anywhere near as bad as much of the Caf claim. You're looking at downgrading from a 7 to a 6.5 at most.