FAO Dumpstar, regarding Meireles

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I am genuinely interested in your views regarding Meireles, and when you were very happy to have gotten rid of him last night I was surprised as I thought Liverpool fans liked him lots.

That is why I searched your post history for him, I do find it interesting that I couldn't find anything contradictory to what you said by searching 'Raul' or 'Meireles'. If however you were to spell his name wrongly as 'Miereles' which on occasion you did, this is what you get.


19th September, 2010
Dumpstar said:
...For me, Miereles, Cole and even Poulson greatly improve what we had in Lucas, Kuyt and Aquilani. David Ngog is also starting to make a name for himself, let's hope he doesn't fizzle away. And Pacheco is sitting on the bench while us fans are urging to start using him more, hopefully it will happen later in the season. Plus Gerrard and Torres haven't got injured yet, if they can stay injury free then that's always a good season for Liverpool fans.
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23rd January, 2011
Dumpstar said:
Hi, were you the one I was having a conversation with when we signed Miereles? You mentioned his style and physique was not suited for prem football? Neither was he considered a technical player compared to others at Porto?

So far under a poor Roy regime he's been the stand out player of the season. Getting better now that Dalglish is getting us playing football again.
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1st February, 2011
Dumpstar said:
...I'd rather have Suarez, Gerrard and Miereles working off Carroll this and next season than Ngog. Other players like Villa, Aguero, Llorente were all no goes now and would have been no goes in the summer. Commolli tried.
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1st February, 2011
Dumpstar said:
...Glen on the other side has a sweeter left foot than I thought. Should see a few crosses coming in that side too. Both Glen and Kelly will need to be marked throughout matches which effectively puts teams on the back foot allowing the likes of Miereles/Gerrard/Suarez time and space to do their thangs.
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Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to call you out or anything, all of us have posted contradictory things I am sure on a number of occasions. Essentially I want to know what is your true view of Meireles, whether you were sincere last night that he isn't good enough for you and you are delighted that he has left, or because he left after submitting a transfer request?

As I say, my interest is in knowing exactly what Chelsea has bought here from somebody who watched him last season singing his praises.
 
Daft idea for a thread.

Apart from the fact that the opinion of one poster can be sought by PM, everyone knows Dumpstar is a long-term WUM and a not very intelligent one at that. His opinion on all things Liverpool is completely worthless.

If you're serious about wanting to hear an honest assessment from Liverpool fans an "FAO Scousers" thread would have made much more sense.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Daft idea for a thread.

Apart from the fact that the opinion of one poster can be sought by PM, everyone knows Dumpstar is a long-term WUM and a not very intelligent one at that. His opinion on all things Liverpool is completely worthless.

If you're serious about wanting to hear an honest assessment from Liverpool fans an "FAO Scousers" thread would have made much more sense.
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Fair point.
 
It's because Kenny, unlike every other manager out there demands a full 100% from his players. He's old fashioned like that.
 
If he hadn't of handed in a transfer request, not a single bad word would have been said about him, let alone this work ethic bollocks.
 
They struggled to fit him in in the right position at Liverpool and clearly want to invest in Adam and Henderson now. Not a bad recoup for Liverpool I think - equally a good signing for Chelsea if he plays every week in the right place. A bit unsure how they are going to line up but there is a clear slot for him if they get it right.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
:lol: I saw that post. What a buffoon.
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I can't believe he let's himself write out the nonsense he posts on here.

Surely there has to be a fail safe?
 
I think Liverpool will end up regretting this. Sign Adams but lose Meireles? Strange.

He is a bit lazy from the games I've watched and tires easily but he also always seems to create things.
 
What an odd signing. He's one of Liverpool's best midfielders. He's better than Henderson and Adam and comfortably.
 
It's a team game though. I can see the case that Adam might fit in better at Liverpool, and Henderson has time on his side and is more comfortable on the right than Meireles.

Meireles may be a bit too similar to Gerrard, and not that young.
 
Not getting Modric in this window and getting Meireles comes with an added bonus that Meireles can play alongside Lampard. Just as we are having the issue of trying to phase out Drogba with a huge purchase who isn't performing, that could have potentially occurred in the midfield as well. Lampard is still very effective in an advanced role but is beginning to struggle in a deeper role, if Modric came in we would have to play him in the role that Lampard has been in for ten years.

I am not sure Chelsea fans are ready for that just yet, especially quite so suddenly. The way I see our best available midfield at the moment of Ramires, Lampard and Meireles is that nobody has set and defined roles who will phase in and out of different positions as circumstances dictate.
 
I think its a really poor move for them and wouldn't have been considered had he not handed in a transfer request. I see your point sincher, but he looked better and more comfortable then either of them.
 
either of who? You can't be talking about Adam or Henderson surely - they've only just started out at Liverpool?
 
Mereiles looked great for Liverpool last season IMO. Started slowly but really finished strong. Made a big difference in the recent Arsenal game too, after Adam and Henderson had looked incredibly pedestrian.

Seems odd letting such an influential player sign for another club competing for CL football too. Surely they could have found a club for him overseas?
 
Team Brian GB said:
Not getting Modric in this window and getting Meireles comes with an added bonus that Meireles can play alongside Lampard. Just as we are having the issue of trying to phase out Drogba with a huge purchase who isn't performing, that could have potentially occurred in the midfield as well. Lampard is still very effective in an advanced role but is beginning to struggle in a deeper role, if Modric came in we would have to play him in the role that Lampard has been in for ten years.

I am not sure Chelsea fans are ready for that just yet, especially quite so suddenly. The way I see our best available midfield at the moment of Ramires, Lampard and Meireles is that nobody has set and defined roles who will phase in and out of different positions as circumstances dictate.
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That second paragraph makes zero sense in the context of the first. Mereiles and Lampard will thrive in a midfield without defined roles but Modric and Lampard would not. Wtf?
 
Sorry, I meant looks. I don't rate Adam highly at all, I think he's a decent signing for Liverpool, but he is generally overrated. Henderson can be quite anonymous in games, but he does have time on his side, with a bit more variety. I mean in the sense of who they have to replace him, there is every chance the pair could work out well together, but I thought they had a real quality in Miereles that I don't feel can be replaced by either Adam or Henderson. Obviously its very early days, but I do rate him higher than either of those two.
 
I can't see the sense it. He's a goalscoring midfielder who will give them goals from midfield on a consistent basis and also provide backup for Gerrard (if Gerrard does regain form). Instead he's gone and strengthened Chelsea whose midfield is looking stale at the moment and will only get better with him there.
 
Hectic said:
Sorry, I meant looks. I don't rate Adam, I think he's a decent signing for Liverpool, but he is generally overrated. Henderson can be quite anonymous in games, but he does have time on his side, with a bit more variety. I mean in the sense of who they have to replace him, there is every chance the pair could work out well together, but I thought they had a real quality in Miereles that I don't feel can be replaced by either Adam or Henderson. Obviously its very early days, but I do rate him higher than either of those two.
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I think I do too - but he didn't fit at Liverpool. There are many examples of where quality players haven't quite worked out at clubs for whatever reason.

Even Cole and Aquilani aren't bad players...
 
sincher said:
I think I do too - but he didn't fit at Liverpool. There are many examples of where quality players haven't quite worked out at clubs for whatever reason.

Even Cole and Aquilani aren't bad players...
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Agreed, but I don't think he was that out of place there to be honest.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That second paragraph makes zero sense in the context of the first. Mereiles and Lampard will thrive in a midfield without defined roles but Modric and Lampard would not. Wtf?
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I am saying if we bought Modric we would have to pretty much hand him the advanced role as his own, Villas-Boas wanting a more attacking and technical game, trying to spur Torres on would find it very difficult not to play a £40 Million player in that role as much as possible.

Such pressures don't come with Meireles.
 
sincher said:
I think I do too - but he didn't fit at Liverpool. There are many examples of where quality players haven't quite worked out at clubs for whatever reason.

Even Cole and Aquilani aren't bad players...
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Cole and Aquilani were poor for Liverpool whereas Meireles was really really good. Odd comparison. He did indeed fit in very well.
 
Team Brian GB said:
I am saying if we bought Modric we would have to pretty much hand him the advanced role as his own, Villas-Boas wanting a more attacking and technical game, trying to spur Torres on would find it very difficult not to play a £40 Million player in that role as much as possible.

Such pressures don't come with Meireles.
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Forget pressures, you'd be desperate to play Modric every game because he'd make you a far better team. And if that means Lampard doesn't get a game then tough luck. Surely that's better for the club than signing a lesser player who allows Lampard to get more games because he's Lampard.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I can't see the sense it. He's a goalscoring midfielder who will give them goals from midfield on a consistent basis and also provide backup for Gerrard (if Gerrard does regain form). Instead he's gone and strengthened Chelsea whose midfield is looking stale at the moment and will only get better with him there.
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So that's what a goal scoring midfielder does. Thanks for that.
 
Hectic said:
I think its a really poor move for them and wouldn't have been considered had he not handed in a transfer request. I see your point sincher, but he looked better and more comfortable then either of them.
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Meireles has been told he could find himself another club all summer. I reckon this happened at the death to force his hand. Him handing in a transfer request means more money for us.

At this point I would like to smugly interject that I have maintained from the beginning that Raul is a good solid squad player who is nonetheless far from irreplaceable.

I'd have liked to see a few more million added to the fee, especially when selling to Chelsea, but the only thing that has me ruing a bit over this is whether we should have secured a replacement.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I can't see the sense it. He's a goalscoring midfielder who will give them goals from midfield on a consistent basis and also provide backup for Gerrard (if Gerrard does regain form). Instead he's gone and strengthened Chelsea whose midfield is looking stale at the moment and will only get better with him there.
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Except for that one magic month, Meireles has never ever been a goalscoring midfielder.
 
Hectic said:
Agreed, but I don't think he was that out of place there to be honest.
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If we are looking to play 4-4-2 primarily, then he was.

The big problem for Meireless is that he only really excelled when relieved of defensive responsibility. He is a good player, but not so good that he deserves that luxury, imo.
 
B9 said:
Meireles has been told he could find himself another club all summer. I reckon this happened at the death to force his hand. Him handing in a transfer request means more money for us.

At this point I would like to smugly interject that I have maintained from the beginning that Raul is a good solid squad player who is nonetheless far from irreplaceable.

I'd have liked to see a few more million added to the fee, especially when selling to Chelsea, but the only thing that has me ruing a bit over this is whether we should have secured a replacement.
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How many midfielders do you think you need?
 
Team Brian GB said:
I am saying if we bought Modric we would have to pretty much hand him the advanced role as his own, Villas-Boas wanting a more attacking and technical game, trying to spur Torres on would find it very difficult not to play a £40 Million player in that role as much as possible.

Such pressures don't come with Meireles.
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If you seriously think your manager is incapable of picking your best players in the position that gets the best out of them for your team then your problems go far deeper than Lampard's aging limbs.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
How many midfielders do you think you need?
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We have:

Gerrard, Lucas, Adam, Spearing, Henderson.

Henderson I think will be utilized mostly on the right, which is probably necessary at this point as he looks like he shits out of tackles even more than Raul does.

It's Lucas getting injured and Spearing taking his place that has me most worried tbh. Raul is not a better solution for that, but with him there we at least had a better option of flooding the midfield to compensate.

If Gerrard steers clear of further injury I don't think we'll feel his departure much though.
 
peterstorey said:
He doesn't appear to know where Modric plays.
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Seems so, Villas-Boas would have been a bit of a fool to try to play Modric in Lampard's advanced position, mainly because Modric shoots like a little girl.

I'm not sure if I'm reading it correctly Brian but you seem to be saying you need a deep lying midfielder? In which case, that is exactly Modric and he does it excellently. He influences the game to a huge extent from back there, putting him further up the pitch is a bit of a waste.
 
TBGB seems to be unnecesarily complicating things in an effort to put a positive spin on Chelsea missing out on their number one target.

Mereiles is a decent player but he's no Modric. This is clearly the worse signing of the two for Chelsea.
 
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