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Again you could say that, without a lot of characters (Dany, Arya, Melisandre) they would have lost the battle but your point is correct, he did unite the army and the resurrection was pivotal in that regard. Given his rather poor performance in the battle itself, and the fact that he spent most of this season telling Dany she was his queen or he didnt want the throne, I found his role just very reduced and the ending of going back to the Wall (for which there now is no use for) was ...anticlimatic. I just didn't feel the tragedy of it.


He was hacking his way through wights like butter and made a heroic effort to reach the Night King. It's not a poor performance because he got confronted by a dragon.
 
I dunno, edmure has always come off as a buffoon. From the missed arrow shots to bragging about doing daft things in the name of Robb. He's just an idiot
 
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Arya killed the Night King but Jon was the one who set up the defences. He was just a piece in the puzzle, you don't need to be the main man to get resurrected, as Beric showed. Everything had to be set up that way for the Night King to die so anyone who was vital to that process would have been resurrected if they had died. Without Jon, the White Walkers 100% rip through the North with no problems before anybody even knows what is happening.

I don't mind that he wasn't the big ol' Azor Ahai hero that it seemed that he was set up to be, his arc is actually one that I'm pretty comfortable with. He lives, but he loses what is most important to him (his honour) when he kills Daenerys and will have to deal with the guilt from that decision for the rest of his life. Characters didn't need fairytale endings or to be the great stereotypical fantasy heros, Jon was never really that, it's just what everybody wanted him to be.

They did a lot wrong in the final 2 seasons, but Jon is actually the character whose ending I am most satisfied with. If Kit Harrington had one acting bone in his entire body it would be even better.

Good point. I just didn't feel the tragedy in his fate because I didn't feel either the chemistry between him and Dany nor any real point to his going to the Wall at the end as a penance.
 
I dunno, edmure has always come off as a buffoon. From the missed arrow shots to bragging about doing daft things in the name of Robb. He's just an idiot

Then his character seemed to have changed after being a captive of the Freys for years. Obviously that experience would humble a man and that's the person we saw when he confronted Jaime Lannister. The guy lost his entire family and was a prisoner (probably under not very nice conditions) for years of his life, and we're expected to believe he didn't change at all and emerged a cocky buffoon?

They reversed his development because they wanted a giggle.
 
Good point. I just didn't feel the tragedy in his fate because I didn't feel either the chemistry between him and Dany nor any real point to his going to the Wall at the end as a penance.

Yeah, the lack of chemistry was a problem. Not much they can really do about that apart from give them better dialogue but you know ... D&D.

And yes, the Unsullied/Dothraki being cool with that as a punishment was hilarious but again it's D&D and nothing really has to make sense.
 
He was hacking his way through wights like butter and made a heroic effort to reach the Night King. It's not a poor performance because he got confronted by a dragon.

It wasn't exactly a leading role though, getting lost in a snowstorm for thirty minutes, and whoever came up with those battle plans sure as hell wouldn't want to admit to afterwards. I know it was team effort but shessh
 
It wasn't exactly a leading role though, getting lost in a snowstorm for thirty minutes, and whoever came up with those battle plans sure as hell wouldn't want to admit to afterwards. I know it was team effort but shessh

Yeah but expectations subverted though.
 
I implore anybody who hasn't to go back and watch scenes from the earlier seasons, particularly some involving some of the elder statesmen in the cast (charles dance in particular) and quite honestly if you put it side by side to episodes from S8 you would feel like you were watching an entirely different show. Scenes between Tyrion and Oberyn, Jaime and Brienne, Tywin and Arya are simply breathtaking television. I've decided to start from the beginning personally but stop at S7 to try and blow away the feelings of disappointment that *this* is what the ending is.

The final couple of seasons got the only things the early ones lacked - the big set pieces and hollywood effects, but the show completely lost its heart along the way, and lost what really made it the most enjoyable show on television, a fantastic combination of excellent writing and stunning acting performances backed up by genuinely good dialogue.
Thank you. I've been saying this since season 5.
 
I liked that episode quite a lot. When I read the leaks I hated it but it played out better than I thought it would. There was actually some good acting in the episode, Dinklage in particular. Thought Clarke had been practising her chops too, shame Kit hadn't.

Bran is one sneaky cnut isn't he.

Lots of spin-offs set up. Bit disappointed that Jon continued being a proper sad sack. Yeah, it was decent enough.

Had they binned off some of the above, spent two seasons developing chemistry between Jon and Daenerys and watching her descend into madness (as well as giving more time to the White Walker plot) this would have been far more popular.

Far more popular! Bloody hell, we'd all be learning Dothraki at school if that happened.
 
Can I just say that Bron being master of coin isn't unreasonable. He is Lord of Highgarden and Paramount of The Reach, so he controls the area of Westeros that brings in the most money. That Tyrell muppet was master of coin at one point ffs.

Whether or not he should have gotten Highgarden in the first place though, hoooo boy...
 
Then his character seemed to have changed after being a captive of the Freys for years. Obviously that experience would humble a man and that's the person we saw when he confronted Jaime Lannister. The guy lost his entire family and was a prisoner (probably under not very nice conditions) for years of his life, and we're expected to believe he didn't change at all and emerged a cocky buffoon?

They reversed his development because they wanted a giggle.

"Seemed to have changed"
I didn't really see anything to suggest it - you said all the good work they did on the character but honestly didn't see that. Had no issue with him remaining a dweeb
 
Why the feck did Bran even need a master of whisperer? :lol:

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Also did he say he was missing a master of the guard (or similar) whilst Brienne is sat on the table? :lol:
 
It wasn't exactly a leading role though, getting lost in a snowstorm for thirty minutes, and whoever came up with those battle plans sure as hell wouldn't want to admit to afterwards. I know it was team effort but shessh

Just Blame lil Mormont and jorah
 
Did I miss something with the Dothraki? Why weren't they to be seen after Jon killed their queen? Surely they would have wanted his head?
 
I feel sorry for all those feckers who are sitting down now expecting something incredible.
 
Thoros of Myr killed by a fecking zombie bear... what a shit death.

Uncle Benjen sacrificed himself for no fecking reason.

Wights could dive under water and chain up a dead dragon with huge chains and where the feck did they get those huge chains from anyway?

There’s so much more. We should have seen it coming. It’s been a right mess since Ser Alisser died.
 
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I laughed when Jon got sentenced to the Night's Watch. Back to square one. :lol:
 
Did I miss something with the Dothraki? Why weren't they to be seen after Jon killed their queen? Surely they would have wanted his head?
They all fought each other for new leadership and most died. Meanwhile unsullied had nobody to command them except GW who was confused as off screen dany previously said don't kill him no matter what

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Of all the moments they needed to timeskip, the Jon reveal to the Starks and post-Dany were the worst. Agreed. Just shoddy shoddy work. I don't mind cutting it down to 6 episodes, but they could have done so so much better with what they had by just tweaking a few things here and there.

the KL episode:
- Have Arya's cool scene by having her use some dead faces to wipe out the Kingsguard, before she reaches the Mountain with the Hound, and then Cleaganebowl. Also give her more cool scenes by wiping out the leader of the Golden Company instead of an OP dragon.
- keep Rhaegal alive till ep 5 and have him killed by Euron's scorpion just after the bells to drive Dany over the edge. Let Euron die in her revenge dragonfire.
- Jaime does to Cersei what Jon did to Dany, before letting the rubble kill them both. Since Euron is already dead, he doesn't need to be injured when he dies and we can let that shitty fight scene not exist
- Dany killing: suggested above
- post-Dany: the Dothraki and Unsullied want to fight, but stop when Jon summons Drogon, gets on top of him and tells them who he truly is. Some try to attack, but are instantly barbecued by Drogon. The rest get the message. Greyworm insists on fighting and is captured. Later he is set free on the condition that he leads his men to Naath.
- Jon pardons Tyrion and calls a small council to elect the king. When they want to choose him, he says he will no longer take part in the politics and go North of the Wall, where he truly felt at home. Gendry is then elected king, with Bran his hand. Sansa remains Queen in the North, and chooses Tyrion as her hand, because Tyrion no longer wishes to stay in KL where his family all died. Arya goes back to Braavos to lead the Faceless Men.

I made this up in 5 min, and it is still a better ending than what D&D did.
Except Jaime would never kill Cersei, let alone the unborn child. Arya's story was about letting go of her revenge, like she had already done in Season 7 when she chose family over killing Cersei and bonding with a dragon isn't a some as just having the right blood. Basically they wrote themselves into the shit and it's very difficult to write yourself out of it.

However, I'd be interested to hear what you would have done differently starting from Season 7 because I feel like you're on the right track.
 
I enjoyed it. Not incredible, not shit. It's over now though. So I can stop watching people play "who can demonstrate they hate the show most." fecking internet.
 
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Also did he say he was missing a master of the guard (or similar) whilst Brienne is sat on the table? :lol:

Kings Guard is different to the captain of the guard. Basically police of the city, who betrayed Ned all the way back when.
 
Probably. No reason for him to do that other than D&D wanted a cheap laugh. He's been in captivity for years and would likely be a broken man.

They basically undid all the good work they did on the character during Jaime's siege. He was a serious character then and not just a buffoon they could use for laughs in the finale.
You're seriously complaining about that? :lol:
 
Stolen from Reddit. Arya's supernatural perception:

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See, this stuff. They're more concerned with Arya getting a menacing cool line when she should've been pleading with Jon in hushed tones after what she witnessed first-hand "Look around you, Jon. You know what she is, this won't be the last city to burn etc" would be much more impactful.
 
See, this stuff. They're more concerned with Arya getting a menacing cool line when she should've been pleading with Jon in hushed tones after what she witnessed first-hand "Look around you, Jon. You know what she is, this won't be the last city to burn etc" would be much more impactful.

It’s typical D&D.
 
Did I miss something with the Dothraki? Why weren't they to be seen after Jon killed their queen? Surely they would have wanted his head?

Dothraki aren't about loyalty, if someone is good enough to kill a leader, they deserve to be the leader in their eyes.
 
I’ve not really criticised the show so far and just tried to enjoy it. But that final episode was so disappointing. I don’t necessarily mind what happened to most of the individual characters but how they got there was pretty crap and could have been done so much better. I could see what they were trying to do but some really crap scenes and clunky dialogue were evident throughout.
 
Why on earth is Bronn master of coin? Surely he should be master of war? I mean he’s one of the most experienced, battle hardened men left in Westeros and they made him master of coin? Daft cnuts.
 
I'm sure it's been said already but that was a load of me bollox! feckin shite ending. Worse than coming 6th in the league or having Mourinho in charge.