Gareth Bale is...The most expensive player ever?!

I did qualify that but it's more in response to places reporting it as an 'incredible' goal when it obviously isn't.
I stated he's a good player who scored an important goal. Do you need me to explain it any further?
 
I did qualify that but it's more in response to places reporting it as an 'incredible' goal when it obviously isn't.
I stated he's a good player who scored an important goal. Do you need me to explain it any further?

It's not an incredible goal it's just because of the price tag. Barta should clean him out, any experienced centre half would. He does what he always does and uses his superior pace, even on the finish Pinto's made life a lot easier for him.
 
It's not an incredible goal it's just because of the price tag. Barta should clean him out, any experienced centre half would. He does what he always does and uses his superior pace, even on the finish Pinto's made life a lot easier for him.

Yeah pretty much what I was saying, Bartra needs to get across him at least. Bale completely burns him for pace. Pinto always seems a liability to me, granted I haven't seen enough of him to judge. Maybe the beard (and the dreads before that) have clouded my judgement on him?

But ignoring all that Bale is pretty good. If he played for Utd alot of people would soon change their opinions. 85 mil is still crazy money.
 
It's not an incredible goal it's just because of the price tag. Barta should clean him out, any experienced centre half would. He does what he always does and uses his superior pace, even on the finish Pinto's made life a lot easier for him.

Your views on Bale are well established. And have been proved completely wrong.
 
So has he had a big season or not?

Big? No. He's had a good season, especially considering it's his first one at Real Madrid. Still doesn't look like he's completely settled in the Real Madrid team, and there's maybe some doubts about him playing against defences that sit deep and give him no space to run into.

Overall he can be happy enough though, and I'd guess Real Madrid are relatively pleased too.
 
Your views on Bale are well established. And have been proved completely wrong.

In what way? You're just get angry I'm looking at the goal for what it actually is. But then that's normal as the president of the Gareth Bale fan club.

The goal comes down to one thing, pace. It doesn't require particularly great ball control. it doesn't even require a smart finish.
 
I actually thought he controlled it very badly in the box, but makes up for it with a very clever finish. His pace makes him one of the most effective counter-attacking footballers quite simply.
 
I actually thought he controlled it very badly in the box, but makes up for it with a very clever finish. His pace makes him one of the most effective counter-attacking footballers quite simply.

I too thought that he badly controlled the ball in the box. He seems to me all about speed and very less about brain. Although his speed more than makes up for it. I just dont rate him very much.
 
I actually thought he controlled it very badly in the box, but makes up for it with a very clever finish. His pace makes him one of the most effective counter-attacking footballers quite simply.

Let's not forget Barça's suicidal tactics these past couple of games. I really sympathise with their CBs (and the make-shift CBs, too :D), in the majority of their attacks RM created an overload, the Barça MF basically hung the DF out to dry. How RM didn't win this game by at least three clear goals I'll never know. T'was the same v Atlético in the CL and peculiarly also only a 1-goal margin.

Incredible effort shown by Bale either way though, he saw the opportunity and went for it 100%. A more experienced defender would probably have cleaned his clock completely, but Bartra did his best in a very disadvantageous situation where most defenders would struggle if they were too late to make the interception or block before Bale touched the ball on. Bale's touch inside the box was almost disastrous, but he rescued it and produced a decent finish. Again a better GK might have saved that, but don't think you can really fault Pinto from that distance.
 
In what way?

Saying he's not a £50m player is probably the start of it. 19 goals in 28 league and CL games for a winger is pretty impressive and then you've got the 15 assists on top of that. Robben at his very best when he was talked about as a potential Ballon d'Or winner scored 20 and got 7 assists in 28 league and CL games in 09/10 for a comparison. I think it's safe to say he's exceeded your (and many others') expectations and hasn't been anything like the flop you'd hoped he would be, and considering his age it seems highly unlikely he'll fail to prove himself as a £50m+ player.
 
I too thought that he badly controlled the ball in the box. He seems to me all about speed and very less about brain. Although his speed more than makes up for it. I just dont rate him very much.

I wouldn't say all about speed, but his main two assets (speed and long shots) are some of the best in the world, and he uses them very well. You're right in that he is nowhere not a very intelligent player, and I found once you cut out his run on the wing or the cut-inside, he is incredibly limited and doesn't have a plan B. He just uses what he has and does it very efficiently.

Let's not forget Barça's suicidal tactics these past couple of games. I really sympathise with their CBs (and the make-shift CBs, too :D), in the majority of their attacks RM created an overload, the Barça MF basically hung the DF out to dry. How RM didn't win this game by at least three clear goals I'll never know. T'was the same v Atlético in the CL and peculiarly also only a 1-goal margin.

Oh completely; the papers are calling it a wonder goal, I see it as using his biggest weapon effectively against a slow CB, and recovering really well from a disastrous touch in the box. They allowed him to completely tear them apart as Alves, Pedro or Busquets were nowhere to be seen on the right, leaving Bartra to fend for himself, was always going to be a disaster. Bale also had so many good opportunities to play his teammates in, but he selfishly took about 5 shots to himself. Could have been a totally different score had he used his brain.
 
And I thought it was just the newbies who underated and belittled Bales ability, some of the comments in this thread...wow!

Still not as bad as the classic Nani is better than Bale argument I had last year.

Amazing player, best British player around by a mile.

That said on the goal last night, shocking defending! He should have taken Bale clean out!
 
Saying he's not a £50m player is probably the start of it. 19 goals in 28 league and CL games for a winger is pretty impressive and then you've got the 15 assists on top of that. Robben at his very best when he was talked about as a potential Ballon d'Or winner scored 20 and got 7 assists in 28 league and CL games in 09/10 for a comparison. I think it's safe to say he's exceeded your (and many others') expectations and hasn't been anything like the flop you'd hoped he would be, and considering his age it seems highly unlikely he'll fail to prove himself as a £50m+ player.

The stats don't surprise me at all given the team he's in. Still in the sole games where's been shut down he's showed his limitations. Personally I'd wait till he's delivered the title or in one of the really tough CL games before harping on about how he's worth the cash Madrid shelled out.

Age isn't exactly relevant either given different players peak at different ages.
 
And I thought it was just the newbies who underated and belittled Bales ability, some of the comments in this thread...wow!

Still not as bad as the classic Nani is better than Bale argument I had last year.

Amazing player, best British player around by a mile.

That said on the goal last night, shocking defending! He should have taken Bale clean out!

Which are the abilities you think have been belittled or underrated on here?
 
Twitter going on about this wonder goal. ...just saw the goal and he outpaces one defender and pokes the ball past the keeper....so wheres this wonder goal? No amazing dribbling past several players, no fantastic long range shot....incredible that the British papers will do anything to hype up their own
 
Giggs Vs Arsenal 1999, FA Cup Semi-final.
Keane told arch-rival Patrick Vieira: "I still don’t understand why no Arsenal player fouled him when he was running 40 or 50 yards to score. I would have just absolutely taken him out."

Being wise after the event is not a great skill, nor a great insight. There are loads of goals that wouldn't have been scored if defenders had known what was going to happen.

What makes a goal special or even incredible is that they get scored at all, despite the defenders not seeing the danger or the obvious solution. That's what happened with Bale. That it happened in the 85th minute of a clasico to win a trophy makes it the stuff of football comic book fantasy. Yes, he kicks and runs, that's what he's good at - but what a run, and what an occasion to do it.

As for the season as a whole. He struggled to get past injuries. He's still struggling to fit into the team in a way that makes him available for a pass as well as ready for a chase. Despite that he's had a good season close to goal. And he's just helped win his club a trophy, the first team trophy of his career. Not a bad start.
 
Which are the abilities you think have been belittled or underrated on here?

The Valencia comment for one! Though that could have been in jest.

The amount of people that think he is purely a pace merchant is incredible.

I think the media tent to go OTT with Bale which tend to cloud peoples judgment but he has had an excellent first season with Madrid.

In contrast to Neymar...
 
The Valencia comment for one! Though that could have been in jest.

The amount of people that think he is purely a pace merchant is incredible.

I think the media tent to go OTT with Bale which tend to cloud peoples judgment but he has had an excellent first season with Madrid.

In contrast to Neymar...

Yeah I agree with all of this. He isn't solely a pace merchant at all, because he has shown on several occasions he has more in his locker, otherwise he wouldn't have racked up the stats. I personally don't think he will reach the top 5 in the world purely on that he lacks qualities that the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Ribery etc have that separates them from the rest of this world. This may be a rash, strange observation but I just don't see such intelligence from him that I do from these types of players, who I consider incredibly intelligent and gifted, and use a lot more than just their pace (again, not saying Bale has pace only but relies on it more heavily than others).
 
Twitter going on about this wonder goal. ...just saw the goal and he outpaces one defender and pokes the ball past the keeper....so wheres this wonder goal? No amazing dribbling past several players, no fantastic long range shot....incredible that the British papers will do anything to hype up their own

I don't know why incredible speed and excellent balance on a run that started form his own half leading to match-winning goal in what will possibly be Madrid's biggest game of the season is somehow seen as unimpressive. The entire pub I was in was in disbelief that he'd managed to score that goal (in that moment) at least. Pure speed, power and balance is as much a sight to behold as a rocket shot from 30 yards, IMO. It's genuinely stunning running power on show from Bale there. Considering the occasion and where he picked the ball up, it's easily a more spectacular goal than the one against Schalke (for example).
 
To all those downplaying Bale's goal yesterday. How do you rate Kaka second goal against us in the first leg in 2007?
 
I wouldn't say all about speed, but his main two assets (speed and long shots) are some of the best in the world, and he uses them very well. You're right in that he is nowhere not a very intelligent player, and I found once you cut out his run on the wing or the cut-inside, he is incredibly limited and doesn't have a plan B. He just uses what he has and does it very efficiently.



Oh completely; the papers are calling it a wonder goal, I see it as using his biggest weapon effectively against a slow CB, and recovering really well from a disastrous touch in the box. They allowed him to completely tear them apart as Alves, Pedro or Busquets were nowhere to be seen on the right, leaving Bartra to fend for himself, was always going to be a disaster. Bale also had so many good opportunities to play his teammates in, but he selfishly took about 5 shots to himself. Could have been a totally different score had he used his brain.

It's freaking fantastic goal. What's with you lot? A player with an eye for a goal takes a shot at goal in the hope of scoring. What gives? It's not a competition to score the most fantastic team goal. What should Bale do if he plays against slow CB? cut down his pace? Reeks of bitterness. Get used to it.
 
I don't know why incredible speed and excellent balance on a run that started form his own half leading to match-winning goal in what will possibly be Madrid's biggest game of the season is somehow seen as unimpressive. The entire pub I was in was in disbelief that he'd managed to score that goal (in that moment) at least. Pure speed, power and balance is as much a sight to behold as a rocket shot from 30 yards, IMO. It's genuinely stunning running power on show from Bale there. Considering the occasion and where he picked the ball up, it's easily a more spectacular goal than the one against Schalke (for example).

I don't agree with Brwned, even if he's right, but he's on the money here. I was in office watching an illegal stream for the last 5 minutes and I almost got busted at the meeting for letting out a loud yell.
 
It's freaking fantastic goal. What's with you lot? A player with an eye for a goal takes a shot at goal in the hope of scoring. What gives? It's not a competition to score the most fantastic team goal. What should Bale do if he plays against slow CB? cut down his pace? Reeks of bitterness. Get used to it.

Untwist those knickers; it was a very good goal to run that fast that late in the game. but he miscontrolled it for feck's sake, it's a valid observation. And I said the finish was good too so what's your point?

Christ, take something in one way and spurt it back out in another why don't you.
 
Untwist those knickers; it was a very good goal to run that fast that late in the game. but he miscontrolled it for feck's sake, it's a valid observation. And I said the finish was good too so what's your point?

Christ, take something in one way and spurt it back out in another why don't you.

Ok bitter boy.
 
The nitpicking and downplaying we sometimes see here make we wonder if some people who post on these boards even enjoy Football. If you can not appreciate the athleticism and determination Bale showed on that goal Football might not be for you. Heck Sport not be for you.
 
Bale's biggest strength is his speed both in running and style. He's still a very direct player, more than most of his teammates and that's why he's not on the same wave-length as someone like Benz for example. Kaká had the same problem when he replaced a less direct player in Rui Costa in his first year under Carletto. He sorted it out quicker though. Gullit had the same problem at Chelsea as well.

His control is clumsy and he doesn't have a consistent first touch. His move is running into space or making his own with his physical gifts. He's nothing special as a passer but he's capable of the holly-wood ball every once in a while. He's not great in tight spaces, for the goal against Schalke there are probably ten, fifteen squandered opportunities. Bale is a counter-type player, like Cristiano, but the latter had refined his touch in central areas so much that he's so consistent at making danger off it. Neymar has that same problem for example.

I think the goal was memorable, the occasion makes it more significant obviously. He almost ruined it with the awful right-footed touch he did in the box, IIRC. The goal was a 7/10 on a quality scale IMO, the context -- timing, opponent, decisiveness, occasion -- brings it to an 8/10.

Kaká's goal in 2007 was easily better than this one. There's no comparison. The strength to hold off the first defender, the outside-footed flick over the second defender, the header between the second and third defenders at the perfect moment and a superb finish. Kaká's goal was more ability than physique, unlike Bale's.
 
Was a brilliant goal. Some of you clearly have an agenda on here, it is absolutely ridiculous.
 
Some pretty hilarious comments on probably the first 150 odd pages of this thread. Some comparisons with Adam Johnson and Walcott. Dear god.

Sadly of a only few of us visionaries were beating the drum all along about how he was that good he was always going to make it to the top of the game.
 
He probably thought no one was behind him and tried to cut in and shoot with his right foot. Thankfully for him he was fast enough to snatch the ball back from Barta, and squeeze it in from a tight angle.

Felt like there's shades of Ronaldo's winner against Barcelona the last time they played in the CDR final. It is definitely a better goal that Ronaldo's but Ronaldo's goal was probably more important and decisive.
 
It's weird the way people are talking about his pace as if it's almost a bad thing in the grand scheme of things. His pace enhances his overall ability as a footballer due to what he can do with it. It's not something that should be downplayed as, "He relies on his pace too much so he can't be great." It's the fact that he uses that pace well to deliver an end product that sets him leagues apart from players in this league like Lennon and Valencia.
 
Quite incredibly fast running and took it across the last man sensibly.

Wonder how fast he could run on the track. Or what his top speed would be clocked at.
The fastest 100m sprinter in Wales this year has clocked 10.9. I'd wager Bale is a wee bit faster than that.