Gareth Bale is...The most expensive player ever?!

Does Bale have any tricks at all?

Just watched the game and literally everything he does is built around the old knock and go.

Fair enough, he can play a decent ball in, but he is really THAT special?

Some people here need to re-watch videos of our Ronaldo me thinks..
 
Does Bale have any tricks at all?

Just watched the game and literally everything he does is built around the old knock and go.

Fair enough, he can play a decent ball in, but he is really THAT special?

Some people here need to re-watch videos of our Ronaldo me thinks..

Hes the left sided version of Antonio Valencia only quicker, very effective at what he does but has no remarkable skill, its kick and rush at its best.
 
I thought one of the early knocks on Bale was he's got no pace?
 
Does Bale have any tricks at all?

Just watched the game and literally everything he does is built around the old knock and go.

Fair enough, he can play a decent ball in, but he is really THAT special?

Some people here need to re-watch videos of our Ronaldo me thinks..

We sold him- and we can't afford Bale so forget it.
 
Does Bale have any tricks at all?

Just watched the game and literally everything he does is built around the old knock and go.

Fair enough, he can play a decent ball in, but he is really THAT special?

Some people here need to re-watch videos of our Ronaldo me thinks..

if it isn't that special why aren't more players doing it then?
 
I'm not so sure about that but at least he can resort to using his non-dominant foot unlike Valencia

Probably but the comparison is a fair one, Bale and Valencia are very similar in style, both like to isolate the full back and beat them on the outside for pace, theres no stepovers or fancy skills nothing complicated its simply a case of knocking the ball past the full back and out sprinting them then delivering, Valencia did that all last season for us, now Valencia isn't as good as Bale as Bale does everything that bit quicker which makes him look far more devastating but the angle of attack and the attitude is exactly the same, they both have very simple approaches to the game and look to do the same thing.
 
Maicon "Bale is no surprise to those who follow English football."..

Which obviously doesn't include you..
 
if it isn't that special why aren't more players doing it then?

Well even Bale himself isn't doing it week in week out.

What I am saying is every is getting just a little bit carried away. People going on about how Bale is unplayable. He needs far more consistency to become that surely.

This is what special really is and the definition of unplayable, enjoy :



 
[1] He arrived at Spurs as a 17 year old. Of course he wasn't going to be setting the world alight right away, especially as a left back. Over the past year, Bale has been the superior player, without question. Nani has had his moments, but Bale has been almost consistently phenomenal. He's stronger than Nani, a better runner of the ball, has a better control of the ball, is a better crosser and has superior passing ability. The way he picked out Crouch and Pavelyuchenko tonight with such ease was outstanding. And as you say, he's 3 years younger. If given the option to swap, I have a fairly clear idea what Ferguson would do.

[2] Recognising that Bale is a better player than Nani does not make me a Nani hater.

[1]: I agree it would be ridiculous to expect Bale to be firing on all cylinders form the get-go. In fact, just as ridiculous as it would to expect Nani to do the same, coming from a very different culture, both on and off the pitch. Only reason I brought it up was because you used that as an argument against Nani.

Other than that, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one! I thoroughly believe that Nani has been performing more or less consistently at the highest level since that match against Hull in January where it all seemed to turn around. He's been creating goals, winning matches, tearing (good) teams to shreds more or less on his own, and in my opinion he has, with a little help from Rooney going awol since March, cemented his place as our most important attacking player. If that's not enough to convince you that he's easily at least as good as Gareth Bale then I suspect nothing ever will.

And don't get me wrong, I'm probably just as big of a fan of Gareth Bale as you are (well, maybe not, but nothing would delight me more than seeing us replace the original Welsh Wizard with the up and coming one), but being the flatmate of a Spurs fan I've watched my share of Spurs games and I can recall several occasions where Bale has failed to make a significant impact on the game during the last year. The two most recent examples that come to mind are against Everton and us, where he was kept relatively quiet by the legendary and mighty giants of full-backs Phil Neville and Rafael da Silva respectively.

Measuring and comparing their skillsets as you did seems pretty pointless to me, as it would be impossible to do objectively. I for instance see Nani as Bale's superior when it comes to ball control, where you rate Bale. And at the end of the day it only matters how they utilize the tools they've got, and Nani has a much better end product, there's no discussion about it. In the league so far this season, Nani has started 10 matches plus coming off the bench once, and he has 8 assists and 4 goals to show for it. Gareth Bale has started 10 matches and he has scored 2 goals but he has 0 assists. His crosses today were fantastic, but if that was a fair and accurate reflection of his true ability you'd have expected him to pick out a team mate at least once during the ten league games he's played, no?

And since we're also talking calendar year, it is worth noting that Bale had 6 assists last season against Nani's 10 last season (both had 3 goals each, with nearly identical number of matches played). Not a whole lot in that, but since the start of the new Nani's stats are absolutely ridiculous (Going out on a limb here, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a more effective player so far this season, Ronaldo and Messi aside), whereas Bale's are OK at best.

[2]: I certainly don't peg you for a Nani hater because you rate Bale a better player, I just think your perspective of both players seems skewed. But I guess that's where my proposition of agreeing to disagree comes into play, even though I find it absolutely amazing that anyone can claim that Bale is a far superior player to Nani at this point.
 
Has Bale even been the best player in his team this season? Or has that been Van Der Vaart? Despite all that, Spurs are currently 5th in the league, surely if Bale has been playing "out of this world", they'd be a bit higher up currently.
 
His rich vein of form has to be down to the emergence of Spurs in the European stage, and that many of Spur's opponents are underestimating them, and not playing defensively. This in return gives Spurs incredible amount of space to exploit and thus Bale. Play the likes of technically superior teams that do not go spastic in giving abundance of spaces, and players out of position all the time, Bale can be rendered ineffective.
 
I think Nani's more or less like Arshavin, in that he is extremely effective (and brilliant) but other areas of his game are lacking.

Bale's a more rounded player.

Horses for courses.
 
His run for the third goal was orgasmic. He pushed the ball 7 strides beyond and still managed to beat them by 1 stride. Only 100m runners could top that!
 
I think Nani's more or less like Arshavin, in that he is extremely effective (and brilliant) but other areas of his game are lacking.

Bale's a more rounded player.

Horses for courses.

Really? I don't see it at all. Nani is nothing like Arshavin.
 
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Not in style or that, but in the fact they're both effective players who lack in other areas. Really basic comparison.
 
What areas do you think Nani lacks? Two footed, good shot from range, good cross. May not have the passing of a playmaker, but then again not many wide players do at all. Creates enough goals though.
 
All of which Arshavin is too. But short passing is lacking, moves can break down 'cos he's either thought too far ahead or he sprays the simple ball.
 
So just shorting passing is lacking then? I'd say he's pretty complete then. Considering Bale is worse with his right foot and isn't as good playing on the opposite wing, I'd say Nani is more complete.
 
For the second time, Bale makes, supposedly one of the best full backs in Europe look like a 1st Division player.

He must be worth a fortune now on the transfer market.
 
Can't believe people are knocking him down just cause he "knocks it and goes." Who cares, you don't need to do 3 step overs if you are that effective. He made defenders, like Maicon and Lucio, who were probably in everyones World Team last season look like a pair of school girls. It was all too easy and this was teh defending champions!
 
Yeah, you should be even more impressed with him manage to effectively beat men with ease without tricks. Because tricks can be added to his game if he wants them. He's certainly no more complete than Nani nor as consistant, but in the two matches against Inter he has shown that on his day he's incredibly hard to stop. However, I mostly only saw highlights of yesterdays game - were Inter double and triple marking him like Nani gets? Or was it left to Maicon?
 
Yeah, you should be even more impressed with him manage to effectively beat men with ease without tricks. Because tricks can be added to his game if he wants them. He's certainly no more complete than Nani nor as consistant, but in the two matches against Inter he has shown that on his day he's incredibly hard to stop. However, I mostly only saw highlights of yesterdays game - were Inter double and triple marking him like Nani gets? Or was it left to Maicon?

Half the highlights i saw Maicon was nowhere to be seen! He was somewhere up the other end of the pitch so it was Bale vs Lucio or Samuel which in terms of pace is like watching a cheetah race a slug.
 
No, I wouldn't.

And the vast majority of top league managers would agree with me.

I would agree with you. He's much younger, looks like he's made for the premier league (and apparently europe too) and I think Ribery's very overrated.
 
Bale is good no doubt. But am I wrong if I assume that the Inter backs are much older, and thus slow? Give him a good, fast right back, and he could be ineffective, because he's been matched for speed, and has no tricks like Nani.
 
Bale is good no doubt. But am I wrong if I assume that the Inter backs are much older, and thus slow? Give him a good, fast right back, and he could be ineffective, because he's been matched for speed, and has no tricks like Nani.

Isn't Maicon very quick, and strong?
 
Maybe not. But he showed what a bag of tricks can do. And even our own Rafael had Bale in a knot, except for once, when Bale ran on to the right, and tried a shot at goal.

What's your point really? I don't get it.

Because Maicon is quick enough. If Rafael and Neville are quick enough, so is Maicon given the fact that he's also built like a tank. He just had two stinkers. And sometimes a certain player gets the better of you (see Evra and Lennon).

More down to poor defending on the night than ability IMO.
 
Then again. I am being a trifle bitter. Would love to see the cnut at United. :D

Reminds me of Ari of Planet of Apes.
 
Then again. I am being a trifle bitter. Would love to see the cnut at United. :D

Reminds me of Ari of Planet of Apes.

Agree, on both counts!

Nani on the right and him on the left would be unreal. Chicharito woul dbe in for some fun.
 
What's your point really? I don't get it.

Because Maicon is quick enough. If Rafael and Neville are quick enough, so is Maicon given the fact that he's also built like a tank. He just had two stinkers. And sometimes a certain player gets the better of you (see Evra and Lennon).

More down to poor defending on the night than ability IMO.

Poor defending was due to his inability to contain Bale.

Whatever the case, Maicon failed to do what Rafael and Phil did. That is what I am trying to point out. That does not mean they are better than Maicon overall.

You have any issue with that?

I never said Maicon was quick enough. I said he wasnt quick enough. He may be built like a tank, but he had left his ability at home. As for Lennon and Evra, we have seen on more than one occasion,( not sometimes) Lennon getting the better of Evra.
 
Was Zanetti playing right midfield in front of Maicon? One of the matches we played against Inter, Zanetti basically did all Maicon's defending for him.