Gareth Bale is...The most expensive player ever?!

MrMojo said:
Brwned, how would you know if Yorke, Sheringham, Cole and Blonqvist played well during their various games against us. Don't take this in a patronising way, but you were at most six years old when they signed. You can obviously look back and check if they scored, but to say Sheringham had some lovely bits of play, how many of his games against us have you watched bearing in mind you were so young when he signed.
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I'm pretty sure the first time I saw Yorke play was in a United shirt. I've probably still never seen him play for more than 30 mins in a Villa shirt. I just know he was the one who set up the first two goals because I watched it on the season review.

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GledTheRed said:
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Christ this place is tiresome.
 
MrMojo said:
I can't remember RVP, Yorke, Berbatov, Sheringham, Young tearing it up against us.in fact there's probably too many to mention.
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Out of that list, Berbatov was probably the only player who didn't outperform against us. I also remember Young being superb against us when Villa drew with us 2-2.

As for Sheringham, I remember reading a magazine article where Neville said he was the closest player he had played against that came close to Cantona in terms of style before we signed him.
 
Berbatov was fantastic at Old Trafford when we beat Spurs 1-0 in 2007 (Nani scored). I was there and my jaw was on the floor when he took a long ball out of the air, swivelled and hit a 25-yarder about a yard wide, if that.
 
MrMojo said:
Between the ages of 20-22?

You must have an incredible memory.
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No, I'm not between those ages. Nice try. :)

Also if your entire argument is predicated on the assumption that anyone who disagrees is too young to have an opinion.... well, I don't need to complete that sentence, it's just retarded.
 
I thought it was quite a well known thing that Fergie likes a player that has previously played well against us? Didn't realise it was such a controversial thing to say :confused:
 
Everyone mention their age before stating their opinions please. It's important for gimps like Mr. Mojo.
 
I'm between the ages of 15 and 79. And I think I'm probably allowed an opinion.
 
Gazza said:
Berbatov was fantastic at Old Trafford when we beat Spurs 1-0 in 2007 (Nani scored). I was there and my jaw was on the floor when he took a long ball out of the air, swivelled and hit a 25-yarder about a yard wide, if that.
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He used to give Vidic hell, Vidic used to dominate the likes of Drogba in the air but used to struggle against Berbatov. Whereas Drogba would try to out power him Berbatov was very clever in his positioning and that used to give Vidic issues.

Wouldn't say RvP used to excel against Man utd, last season he scored in our heavy defeat, in the home game he missed a sitter and then scored a brilliant goal. That second kind of summed him up and maybe it was why Fergie wanted him, his belief in his own abilities meant when he got a half chance he believed he would score even though he had missed an easy chance.
 
Gazza said:
No, I'm not between those ages. Nice try. :)

Also if your entire argument is predicated on the assumption that anyone who disagrees is too young to have an opinion.... well, I don't need to complete that sentence, it's just retarded.
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I've phrased it wrong, I'm referring to Bales age there, not yours. I meant to say he's been 20-22 when playing against us, which is something I'd take into consideration if scouting a player. I don't recall how Sheringham etc played against us at that young an age.

I love how quick you lot are to get on your high horse about something, I phrase something badly and within minutes you're all saddling up!
 
MrMojo said:
I've phrased it wrong, I'm referring to Bales age there, not yours. I meant to say he's been 20-22 when playing against us, which is something I'd take into consideration if scouting a player. I don't recall how Sheringham etc played against us at that young an age.

I love how quick you lot are to get on your high horse about something, I phrase something badly and within minutes you're all saddling up!
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:wenger:

"Don't take this in a patronising way, but you were at most six years old when they signed."
 
Spoony Kobayashi said:
I'm between the ages of 15 and 79. And I think I'm probably allowed an opinion.
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No! You must be a schizophrenic rolleyed lunatic if you consider yourself between the ages of 15 and 79. :D

Btw, why does it matter what age you are? If you have a valid point that point should be valid regardless.

Unfortunately, I think Bale has eclipsed Valencia by now. They have about the same pace, Valencia is stronger and better defensively (funny seeing that Bale started out as a LB), but Bale can use both feet and is more unpredictable. However, he does waste quite a few chances for Tottenham with his ridiculous tendency to shoot from arbitrary places all over the pitch.
 
Brwned said:
:wenger:

"Don't take this in a patronising way, but you were at most six years old when they signed."
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Well you were telling me how well these payers performed against us at a time when you were at most six!

It's not patronising to ask just how would you know this.

If I was telling people how it felt when Elvis died, I wouldn't be offended if they pointed out I wasn't at that point alive.
 
MrMojo said:
Well you were telling me how well these payers performed against us at a time when you were at most six!

It's not patronising to ask just how would you know this.

If I was telling people how it felt when Elvis died, I wouldn't be offended if they pointed out I wasn't at that point alive.
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It's not like I was hiding my age though. I'm 21. It says that on my profile. What exactly did you hope to achieve by pointing out my age? Would I seriously lie about these players playing well against us? Or would I lie that I saw it happen? It's mental. Just seems like some really petty misguided point-scoring contest. "I was wrong, but I'll deflect that by trying to invalidate his opinion by pointing out his age...yeah, that'll work".

What fun. And no, the Elvis comparison is completely different. There was no live-aspect to this - I never implied I'd seen them live, I never implied I was there when it happened. I quite clearly hadn't, it went without saying. It'd be like saying how amazing Otis Redding was in Monterrey because you watched a video of him in Monterrey. The miracle of video footage eh?
 
Brwned said:
It's not like I was hiding my age though. I'm 21. It says that on my profile. What exactly did you hope to achieve by pointing out my age? Would I seriously lie about these players playing well against us? Or would I lie that I saw it happen? It's mental. Just seems like some really petty misguided point-scoring contest. "I was wrong, but I'll deflect that by trying to invalidate his opinion by pointing out his age...yeah, that'll work".

What fun.
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I'm not saying you're lying. But if you're going to tell me that Yorke and Sheringham played well against us when you've never actually seen them play against us, it's obvious I'm going to point that out.

I don't need to play games to suggest you're wrong. You believe SAF won't sign Bale purely because of how he's performed against us. I don't really need to do anything to that statement to prove how wrong it is, it sells itself.
 
MrMojo said:
I'm not saying you're lying. But if you're going to tell me that Yorke and Sheringham played well against us when you've never actually seen them play against us, it's obvious I'm going to point that out.
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It's not obvious to me why you'd point that out at all, perhaps you can explain in simpler terms. The way I see it is Yorke was instrumental in their win v us in '94, I know this because I saw him as the key player in both of their first two goals just from watching the season review, I reminded you of this because that slipped your mind...so what's the issue here? What point did you make by establishing my age? You knew before you'd even asked the question so there must've been some point behind it.
 
Brwned said:
It's not obvious to me why you'd point that out at all, perhaps you can explain in simpler terms. The way I see it is Yorke was instrumental in their win v us in '94, I know this because I saw him as the key player in both of their first two goals just from watching the season review, I reminded you of this because that slipped your mind...so what's the issue here? What point did you make by establishing my age? You knew before you'd even asked the question so there must've been some point behind it.
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Brwned you didn't watch the game you're referring to. Yeah he got two assists, the records will also show Dempsey scored two against us this season, so what? You've told me Sheringham had some lovely bits of play against us, when did you ever watch him play against us? How do you know Yorke didn't bomb in all the other games he featured against us in?

That's why I brought up your age, it's honestly not for any nefarious reasons but purely a logical reasoning. I wouldn't expect you to know what was going on in Eastenders in 1993 either. It's not a criticism.

So what did Yorke did against us, 2 assists, was the incentive to buy, but what Bale did to us earlier this season would actually put the manager off? Makes no sense.
 
Fergie would want to buy Bale imo. He tried before he went to Spurs and now he's a far better player. And if what Rio said is true then it shows how highly SAF rates Bale. Only last week he said something about Suarez and how he's just another good player we play against, no special plans for him.
 
MrMojo said:
Brwned you didn't watch the game you're referring to. Yeah he got two assists, the records will also show Dempsey scored two against us this season, so what? You've told me Sheringham had some lovely bits of play against us, when did you ever watch him play against us? How do you know Yorke didn't bomb in all the other games he featured against us in?

That's why I brought up your age, it's honestly not for any nefarious reasons but purely a logical reasoning. I wouldn't expect you to know what was going on in Eastenders in 1993 either. It's not a criticism.

So what did Yorke did against us, 2 assists, was the incentive to buy, but what Bale did to us earlier this season would actually put the manager off? Makes no sense.
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What the feck man, you're such an arsehole. I know because I - you guessed it - watched those lovely pieces of play in the highlights. Just like I did to see Cole score home and away v us. Anyone who sets up two goals in a game v us played well, that goes without saying surely? So what does it matter if I watched the whole Villa game or watched the highlights? It doesn't take away from the point at all!

All I was saying was Sir Alex has a clear tendency to go for players that have played well against us so perhaps it'd go the other way given Bale's went into hiding so many times against us. In fact making that point was just a way for me to laugh at how crap Bale was against us again. I was being somewhat disingenuous because Bale did make Rio look silly earlier this year.

Read my post again - "Given how often we go out and buy a player that excels against us, I can't see us paying the £30m+ to get him given how many times he's been almost completely nullified by us.". I was just expressing my opinion. I wasn't saying Sir Alex won't go out and buy him with any kind of conviction. Maybe he will. I think the fact he's struggled against us in almost every game will make Sir Alex think twice about spending that much money on him. Just my opinion. No big deal.

I was hoping it would stir up a wider debate about whether consistently poor performances against us would have any impact on potential signings. Then you took this debate on yet another MrMojo-centric tangent...shocker.
 
Brwned said:
What the feck man, you're such an arsehole. I know because I - you guessed it - watched those lovely pieces of play in the highlights. Just like I did to see Cole score home and away v us. Anyone who sets up two goals in a game v us played well, that goes without saying surely? So what does it matter if I watched the whole Villa game or watched the highlights? It doesn't take away from the point at all!

All I was saying was Sir Alex has a clear tendency to go for players that have played well against us so perhaps it'd go the other way given Bale's went into hiding so many times against us. In fact making that point was just a way for me to laugh at how crap Bale was against us again. I was being somewhat disingenuous because Bale did make Rio look silly earlier this year.
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I've seen you do this before, make a dodgy point then pretend it was just a bit of a joke. Good stuff.

You find a few seconds of footage from years ago, out of who knows how many games and say that's the reason we signed Sheringham, Yorke etc.

I think we signed them just because they were good players and I think the manager would use the same sensible approach when deciding to sign Bale.
 
MrMojo said:
I've seen you do this before, make a dodgy point then pretend it was just a bit of a joke. Good stuff.

You find a few seconds of footage from years ago, out of who knows how many games and say that's the reason we signed Sheringham, Yorke etc.

I think we signed them just because they were good players and I think the manager would use the same sensible approach when deciding to sign Bale.
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Jesus christ. I mas making a serious point that I think is worth exploring - there's very few players I can remember signing that have consistently played poorly against us. Yorke, Sheringham, van Persie and co. all had numerous matchwinning games against us while Bale has been consistently poor. I just enjoyed mentioning how Rafael marked him out of the game. Again. That's it.

I think you're deeply confused. This is how the discussion went:

Brwned said:
How many players have we bought under Sir Alex that have consistently flopped against us?
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MrMojo said:
I can't remember RVP, Yorke, Berbatov, Sheringham, Young tearing it up against us.in fact there's probably too many to mention.
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Brwned said:
It's not a prerequisite to play well against us but I can't think of many players who have consistently underwhelmed against us that we've went out and bought.
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I didn't say we signed them because they played well against us. We don't sign any players because they played well against us. We sign them because they're good players - as is the case with Sheringham, Cole and Bale. I just think playing well against us can give Sir Alex an extra push in the right direction, and I was curious to see whether there was anyone who - like Bale - consistently underwhelmed against us but still went on to play for us.

And then you turned the thread into this piece of shit with so many personal tangents.
 
If we went for him we should have a "No bent love heart celebration clause" in his contract.
 
Brwned said:
I didn't say we signed them because they played well against us. We don't sign any players because they played well against us. We sign them because they're good players - as is the case with Sheringham, Cole and Bale. I just think playing well against us can give Sir Alex an extra push in the right direction, and I was curious to see whether there was anyone who - like Bale - consistently underwhelmed against us but still went on to play for us.
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Getting swiftly back on track, Young maybe? I don't remember many great performances from him against us, or did he score a brace against us before? I can't bleedin' remember.

I think it's difficult to say with Bale, because Spurs are so constantly underwhelming against us themselves, but it's true that he's had feck all good games against us.
 
Cina said:
Getting swiftly back on track, Young maybe? I don't remember many great performances from him against us, or did he score a brace against us before? I can't bleedin' remember.

I think it's difficult to say with Bale, because Spurs are so constantly underwhelming against us themselves, but it's true that he's had feck all good games against us.
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I remember a couple of games where we've really struggled against Villa's direct threat and Young's crossing. Had a good game against us for Watford actually, iirc? Maybe even won a penalty v Silvestre? Might've been someone else though. According to ESPN he got an assist v us in three of his first four PL seasons (one for Watford), and then he scored in that final season at Villa. Don't remember if any of them were standout performances but I'm sure he was really good at one point. Him and Agonlahor perhaps.
 
Hrm, that Watford one does ring a bell. Dunno, I can't remember any proper stand out performances though, not like with others that we went on to sign.
 
Cina said:
Hrm, that Watford one does ring a bell. Dunno, I can't remember any proper stand out performances though, not like with others that we went on to sign.
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Yeah I'd agree, don't remember him being their most influential player v us any time they got a result. That's different to Bale though as he was still creating or scoring a goal against us every season - not standing out but not underwhelming. Although Spurs' terrible record v us is probably a fair explanation for that.
 
Wasn't he pretty good when they defeated us 1-0 at OT?

Crossed the ball for Agbonlahor's goal IIRC.
 
KM said:
Wasn't he pretty good when they defeated us 1-0 at OT?

Crossed the ball for Agbonlahor's goal IIRC.
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He certainly could have been! I just can't remember. Rooney, Ronnie, Jones, Berbatov etc: I remember all their games, but not Young, which means I either paid feck all attention to him, or that he didn't do anything to fully stand-out in games, or possibly a bit of both.
 
Gareth Bale is....

up there with Ronaldo and Messi.

-Jamie Redknapp.

:lol:
 
Why doesn't that comment surprise me?

The man talks so much shite out of his mouth, that his arse must be jealous as feck.
 
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