Gary Neville

A place Bobby Charlton himself described as…



It was fine Bobby saying something as cheesy as that about Old Trafford, so much so that our own fans have completely embraced the name, but Woodward describing it similarly cheesily is apparently “sack worthy” and something to be completely outraged about it.
As I say, that Summer he also spoke to LVG who was managing Holland and has managed Barca and Bayern, and likely gave him a similar pitch. LVG was like a kid on Christmas Eve when he waiting to take over.

People like to fake outrage due to the myth that that comment put Klopp off, when in reality Klopp was under contract with Dortmund and had no intention of breaking it, even if Liverpool came in for him then, or as alleged Real Madrid for that matter.
That an unemployed Klopp was wooed by Liverpool I have no doubt about, but it was mid season and it was the only vacancy at a big club. It’s much easier to fall in love with something when you’re open to it.
That quote isn't commercial though is it cheesy ? Yes but its emotional and sentimental not geared towards selling you more shirts.
Though the whole adult Disneyland pitch has probably been blown out of proportion.
 


12:12 onwards is relevant.

Graveyard comment in particular is 14:20

It's disingenuous to suggest that he himself is 'warning Ten Hag' not to take the job.

He's just speaking openly and honestly, and accurately about how tough it will be and how it hard it may be to get the necessary assurances
 
I honestly don’t get how all sense of perspective and relativity just goes to the wall with United. Any time we don’t win it’s a moral outrage and everything and everyone at the club is broken. We’ve finished 2nd twice in the last 4 years. We’ve been to umpteen semi-finals and a final in that time. We’ve finished ahead of high spending Chelsea 3 of the last 4 years. Was anyone bleating in the media about why would Tuchel want the Chelsea job when he took them over in 8th? Leaks everywhere about how they disliked Lampard and his methods - was there a meltdown every day on every media platform telling them all to get out of the club? The fans even had a little protest in support of Lampard. What about klopp at Liverpool? Had achieved feck all for decades. They were 9th I think, 6th the previous season and had lost to stoke 6-1 on the final game. Total disarray. Was the media actively telling anyone linked not to join? It’s been a bad season. Other clubs have bad seasons. I saw Gullit say it’s a shit job and the big problem ETH will have is that the former players like Neville, Ferdinand and Scholes are constantly on TV saying how shit everything is and you’ll get zero time before the pressure builds - and he’s right. I’m sick of listening to it all. You get more time and more money than any other club outside of City and the project of restoring a huge club to former glory. And if it goes wrong nobody blames you. It’s a dream job.
You can say that a lot of people around this club are moaners and negative etc. but if we're being honest we've never actually came close to looking like a top team or building anything substantial or special in all that time and that's part of the reason the discontent is so high. Finishing second twice while being miles behind City never really felt all that significant, especially as both of those seasons ended with hugely disappointing periods of form and losing cup finals.

I agree with you about the ridiculous pressure coming from ex-players but there's a contradiction there- you say that if it goes wrong nobody blames you- everybody blames you, because to most people (fans, media etc.) you're yet another failed Manchester United manager living in the shadow of Sir Alex Ferguson and the glory years. I mean you only have to mention Ole, Jose or LVG on here and all hell breaks loose on how crap they supposedly all were.
 
That quote isn't commercial though is it cheesy ? Yes but its emotional and sentimental not geared towards selling you more shirts.
Though the whole adult Disneyland pitch has probably been blown out of proportion.

I don’t think he was trying to sell Klopp shirts in fairness, he probably loved his own job (back then) and loved being around OT which lead him to say to both Klopp and LVG that summer that being around Old Trafford is like Disneyland for adults. Meaning it’s a shit load of fun, and an incredible warm and happy place that’s amazing to be around.
It’s incredible how much what likely was a throwaway comment praising the club has been turned into some apparent horror show for the worst sales pitch ever, which it clearly fecking wasn’t because the club and Woodward had no problem getting both LVG and Mourinho to beam from ear to ear about joining.

I mean, as for Klopp, people would do well to remember that “if” the Disneyland comment turned him off so much as the myth makes out, he joined the fecking club and owners that backed this shitshow :lol:….

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I don’t think he was trying to sell Klopp shirts in fairness, he probably loved his own job (back then) and loved being around OT which lead him to say to both Klopp and LVG that summer that being around Old Trafford is like Disneyland for adults. Meaning it’s a shit load of fun, and an incredible warm and happy place that’s amazing to be around.
It’s incredible how much what likely was a throwaway comment praising the club has been turned into some apparent horror show for the worst sales pitch ever, which it clearly fecking wasn’t because the club and Woodward had no problem getting both LVG and Mourinho to beam from ear to ear about joining.
I agree though in all fairness it's kinda of a wacky presentation to give someone who doesn't have the best grasp of English and wants to manage outsideof his country for the first time .
Also I wonder if klop just outright made that shit up himself to endear himself to Liverpool fans, did Woodward confirm it as well?
 
I agree though in all fairness it's kinda of a wacky presentation to give someone who doesn't have the best grasp of English and wants to manage outsideof his country for the first time .
Also I wonder if klop just outright made that shit up himself to endear himself to Liverpool fans, did Woodward confirm it as well?

As I say, Klopp clearly had no problem with cheesy/corny as feck football clubs and owners, else he wouldn’t have joined the ones who backed those fecking Suarez t-shirts.
He was likely swayed by the moneyball sales pitch, and well, the fact that he was, you know, jobless.

It’s all a load of bollocks.
 
I don’t think he was trying to sell Klopp shirts in fairness, he probably loved his own job (back then) and loved being around OT which lead him to say to both Klopp and LVG that summer that being around Old Trafford is like Disneyland for adults. Meaning it’s a shit load of fun, and an incredible warm and happy place that’s amazing to be around.
It’s incredible how much what likely was a throwaway comment praising the club has been turned into some apparent horror show for the worst sales pitch ever, which it clearly fecking wasn’t because the club and Woodward had no problem getting both LVG and Mourinho to beam from ear to ear about joining.

I mean, as for Klopp, people would do well to remember that “if” the Disneyland comment turned him off so much as the myth makes out, he joined the fecking club and owners that backed this shitshow :lol:….

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It's worse than that, it's about the idea that fans expect to be entertained, that it's part of the club identity. In other word he was talking about Sir Matt Busby idea that United has a duty to entertain the fans.
 
It's worse than that, it's about the idea that fans expect to be entertained, that it's part of the club identity. In other word he was talking about Sir Matt Busby idea that United has a duty to entertain the fans.
Whats wrong for a football club to be entertaining? Its a form of entertainment after all so fans can reasonably expect to enjoy the show don't they?
Also we have a long history of explosive exciting football so its in our DNA.
 
Whats wrong for a football club to be entertaining? Its a form of entertainment after all so fans can reasonably expect to enjoy the show don't they?
Also we have a long history of explosive exciting football so its in our DNA.

There is nothing wrong about it which makes the criticism worse. It wasn't about money and not about how Woodward felt at United, it was supposed to be about the fans.
 
It's worse than that, it's about the idea that fans expect to be entertained, that it's part of the club identity. In other word he was talking about Sir Matt Busby idea that United has a duty to entertain the fans.

Makes sense too.

It certainly wasn’t about money or commercial aspects, which as you say, makes the criticism more the stranger.
 
As I say, Klopp clearly had no problem with cheesy/corny as feck football clubs and owners, else he wouldn’t have joined the ones who backed those fecking Suarez t-shirts.
He was likely swayed by the moneyball sales pitch, and well, the fact that he was, you know, jobless.

It’s all a load of bollocks.

Why didn't we just wait another year for him rather than press the trigger on LVG
 
I don't usually mind Neville's criticism of the club as I've always felt it was somewhat level headed, his rants in recent weeks though have been pure toxic and really doesn't help - basically warning ETH not to take the job so we're then left with a second choice manager which in theory means we'll be worse off, he's reached CAF levels of self hate
 
I don't usually mind Neville's criticism of the club as I've always felt it was somewhat level headed, his rants in recent weeks though have been pure toxic and really doesn't help - basically warning ETH not to take the job so we're then left with a second choice manager which in theory means we'll be worse off, he's reached CAF levels of self hate

Yeah he's proper driving the Pochettino stuff
 
Why didn't we just wait another year for him rather than press the trigger on LVG

Klopp had a contract until 2018, there was nothing to wait for. He rejected everyone that summer and only left the following season because the season went pretty poorly and he tought that he reached the end of a cycle.
 
Why didn't we just wait another year for him rather than press the trigger on LVG

He was supposed to stay at Dortmund till 2018, but their horrendous start to the season made the board and Klopp have talks, in which they both unanimously agreed that they’d terminate the contract at the end of that season.
So Klopp, in never wanting to break contract, no doubt told United and Real that he wasn’t going to be available for a few years.
Liverpool were extremely fortunate, and the rest is history.
 
Klopp had a contract until 2018, there was nothing to wait for. He rejected everyone that summer and only left the following season because the season went pretty poorly and he tought that he reached the end of a cycle.

God I hate how the scousers timing is so bloody good, they always seem to face teams missing a couple of key players
 
I'm derailing the thread a bit here but there is no guarantee that klopp would have turned the ship around, we had terrible players even then and I don't think klopp would have done well under such a high pressure.

Nice to think about though.
 
Klopp arrived mid season in October at Liverpool too - so they didn’t sack Rodgers after losing 6-1 to Stoke and finishing 6th with Klopp available. Had Rodgers started that season well we may very well have been the ones who ended up with him as by the end of December LVGs time was clearly up. Definitely one of those what if moments.
 
Klopp arrived mid season in October at Liverpool too - so they didn’t sack Rodgers after losing 6-1 to Stoke and finishing 6th with Klopp available. Had Rodgers started that season well we may very well have been the ones who ended up with him as by the end of December LVGs time was clearly up. Definitely one of those what if moments.

Damn you Brendan for starting that season so crap and handing him to them lot
 
I honestly don’t get how all sense of perspective and relativity just goes to the wall with United. Any time we don’t win it’s a moral outrage and everything and everyone at the club is broken. We’ve finished 2nd twice in the last 4 years. We’ve been to umpteen semi-finals and a final in that time. We’ve finished ahead of high spending Chelsea 3 of the last 4 years. Was anyone bleating in the media about why would Tuchel want the Chelsea job when he took them over in 8th? Leaks everywhere about how they disliked Lampard and his methods - was there a meltdown every day on every media platform telling them all to get out of the club? The fans even had a little protest in support of Lampard. What about klopp at Liverpool? Had achieved feck all for decades. They were 9th I think, 6th the previous season and had lost to stoke 6-1 on the final game. Total disarray. Was the media actively telling anyone linked not to join? It’s been a bad season. Other clubs have bad seasons. I saw Gullit say it’s a shit job and the big problem ETH will have is that the former players like Neville, Ferdinand and Scholes are constantly on TV saying how shit everything is and you’ll get zero time before the pressure builds - and he’s right. I’m sick of listening to it all. You get more time and more money than any other club outside of City and the project of restoring a huge club to former glory. And if it goes wrong nobody blames you. It’s a dream job.

Great post. No matter how bad it gets, it is still a great job and any available top manager would take it in a heartbeat, and while our football structure is rubbish at the moment, historically we're very supportive of our managers and never interfere. If we offer ETH the job he'll take it, I have no doubt about that.
 
Yeah he's proper driving the Pochettino stuff

Exactly. This is what he is trying to do now. If you cannot change the minds of the club, then get ETH to change his mind. I cannot stand the guy anymore. Little toad he is.
 
Bloody hell, if ETH listens to Neville or VdB and because of this decides against United then he wouldn’t really be the ideal candidate anyway.
He is not making his decision based on the opinion of a pundit or a player who can’t get a game for Everton.

Not a single person in here has made that argument.
 
I honestly don’t get how all sense of perspective and relativity just goes to the wall with United. Any time we don’t win it’s a moral outrage and everything and everyone at the club is broken. We’ve finished 2nd twice in the last 4 years. We’ve been to umpteen semi-finals and a final in that time. We’ve finished ahead of high spending Chelsea 3 of the last 4 years. Was anyone bleating in the media about why would Tuchel want the Chelsea job when he took them over in 8th? Leaks everywhere about how they disliked Lampard and his methods - was there a meltdown every day on every media platform telling them all to get out of the club? The fans even had a little protest in support of Lampard. What about klopp at Liverpool? Had achieved feck all for decades. They were 9th I think, 6th the previous season and had lost to stoke 6-1 on the final game. Total disarray. Was the media actively telling anyone linked not to join? It’s been a bad season. Other clubs have bad seasons. I saw Gullit say it’s a shit job and the big problem ETH will have is that the former players like Neville, Ferdinand and Scholes are constantly on TV saying how shit everything is and you’ll get zero time before the pressure builds - and he’s right. I’m sick of listening to it all. You get more time and more money than any other club outside of City and the project of restoring a huge club to former glory. And if it goes wrong nobody blames you. It’s a dream job.

This part bothers me a lot, they create a circus around the club and player and then complain that there is a circus around the club and players. This is particularly true for Neville and I don't know if he realizes that from a media standpoint he creates the bad mood and tension that affects the fanbase and the club in general.
 
I'm derailing the thread a bit here but there is no guarantee that klopp would have turned the ship around, we had terrible players even then and I don't think klopp would have done well under such a high pressure.

Nice to think about though.

Yes, because Liverpool were in such great shape when Klopp took them over.

Some people just post drivel without even thinking about it.
 
I’m assuming Poch must have taken Gary out for a great meal and night out once, hence his considerable mancrush for him to be United manager. :wenger:
 
If he jizzes over City, Liverpool and Chelsea on live TV, just imagine how much of a wrong'un he is when the cameras aren't rolling.
I think subconsciously or otherwise he's trying too hard to prove he's not a biased United fan.

He should just have done a Phil Thompson and nailed his colours to the mast from day one.
 
Cue Neville undermining ETH at every opportunity he gets.
 
Cue Neville undermining ETH at every opportunity he gets.

It will definitely happen. I remember how much stick Pep got when he came in because "his style won't work in the Prem" and he dropped Joe Hart. I recall every goal Bravo conceded being met with "How would Joe Hart have dealt with that". Same thing I see happening every time they pan to Rashford on the bench and we're not winning 3-0 in a game.
 
Cue Neville undermining ETH at every opportunity he gets.
Can’t believe they’re not using Rashford. The Manager is only Using this formation to keep him out of the side.

Wait, he actually did say this during the City game
 
My question concerns the title of this thread.
How many times can the same person be dead to you ??