That's a lot of homophobics!
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That's a lot of homophobics!
That's a shame. Rural Ireland gets a lot of unfair stick from Dubliners but, if attitudes like that are as prevalent as you say, then at least some of that stick is well-founded.
Kind of blows my mind that people would actively go out to vote against something that literally has no effect on them whatsoever. In fact the closest it would come to affecting them personally is by denying equal rights to their own future (or present!) kids, nieces and nephews. Can't get my head round that at all.
Where do you live?
Not many of us can.
Part of the problem with some of the passionate yes voters is exactly this. Basically they are labelling them all bigots. If I was arsed voting (Which Im not) I would vote yes, as I really couldnt give a crap who gets married, for me it is not a concern. But I dont for a moment think that every no voter is a bigot.
Anyone have any idea on the polling figures? Is it expected to go through? Hard to judge from opinion on the ground.
Yeah, I agree with you. Although you can see why emotions run high on the "yes" side. There are people being denied equal rights on the basis of their sexuality. It's hard to take that other people might actively go out of their way to maintain the status quo. That's bound to be interpreted as the act of a bigot. Like I said, it's not going to have any direct impact on any "no" voter. So why vote no?
I admit don't personally know that many gay people, just the two in fact one of which works as a porter in the bank and he is voting No.
On the Late Late show debate there a few weeks ago. one of the lads on the No side was a gay man as well.
But yeah, we're all backwards and anti gay down here in the schticks!
Its the talk of the town, and the vast majority seem to be on the Yes side
But its become such a touchy subject for many I think a lot of the No's are staying silent
Latest polls have it as a landslide win for "yes". 60+%
Now that really blows my mind. Did the porter you know tell you why he was voting no?
The best thing about it, it will be over soon. Hopefully it will be yes (and i do expect it to be) and then we can all continue with our lives and nobody will notice and forget about it in about a week
Maybe I am alone, but it seems to be the only thing anyone is talking about and I cant wait until its over.
Maybe I am alone, but it seems to be the only thing anyone is talking about and I cant wait until its over.
Interesting. I'm sick of it tbh. I don't care whether it's a yes or a no, I just want both sides to shut the feck up. Although, the no campaign don't really have a leg to stand on.
He said things were grand the way they were and there was no need for change or a referendum at all, that there was far more important things to be sorted out or worried about.
I hate that sort of answer. Democracy occurs and people say 'why are we wasting time with this?' I think your country is still being run as this referendum occurs. The government can do more than two things at once.
There's literally no reason to vote yes unless you're homophobic. If there is, enlighten me. Please. Denying people rights on the basis of sexuality is disgusting.
Who's doing the polling this time? Not the same people as the general election here I hope because otherwise we can start laying money down on a no vote.
He's not wrong about there being more important stuff to worry about but if he thinks the referendum is complete a waste of time, then he doesn't need to vote. Why make the effort to get out there and vote no? Obviously, you can't answer that for him!
Some Old fashioned and or religous people have their beliefs, and what they believe marriage should be. They do not see it as a human rights issue but believe in tradition. And it is their right to vote whatever way they want
I dont for a moment think every no voter is homophobic, and this a problem with a lot of us in the county during this campaign that it has gone this way.
If you want the views if a gay man that's voting No fire up you're RTE Player there and have a gander at the debate the Late Late show had on the matter.
I think the problem is that all homophobia is lumped together. I don't personally find those who believe practicing homosexuality should be a criminal offence to be comparable to those that merely believe same sex relationships shouldn't be placed on the same footing as heterosexual ones. They're both homophobic views, so both just get lumped together in the homophobe pile, and this leads to the extreme homophobia getting less condemnation than it merits and the mild homophobia more.
Out of interest - does anyone know what the legal definition of adultery is in Ireland? The one argument I heard against same sex marriage in the UK that carries some weight is that penetrative vaginal sex is the only thing that constitutes adultery, and whilst a quite simple change could be made to include anal sex, defining lesbian adultery is rather trickier.
@Randall Flagg Just out of interest. Why aren't you voting if your hoping the vote will be a Yes.
Not trying to have a dig but it's not really just laziness isn't ?
Not trying to have a dig but it's not really just laziness isn't ?
I think this could be rather close, hopefully the youff will get out in their droves and knock this out the park.
I havent voted for anything for more than 10 years
I would like it to be a yes, just as I have had opinions on other elections and referendums
Then go vote ffs.
Never
Im kind of the same opinion as the person your quoting. I dont find it 'disgusting' to vote no but i really cant think of a single logical reason to.
I kind of think the examples your giving are of bigots tbh - As disease of the age said its not as bad as someone voting no because gay people are an abomination or whatever but their thoughts are still those of someone who believes heterosexual relationship is superior or more important than a homosexual one. A mild homophobia but homophobia none the less.
Im voting yes (because i vote), it just feels like a no brainer to me tbh.
Right I'm sick of this and I don't care who I offend anymore
I'm voting yes...I want the yes vote to pass as it's the right thing to do. No arguments there....
But earlier on, I had a status on FB telling me to complain to Youtube and boycott it because the NO campaign had an ad on it....
That's bollix and is hypocrisy at it's worst. So you people can bombard me with Yes statuses and tell me how to vote, but I can't go on YouTube now because the NO side have an ad on Youtube? It's hypocrisy at it's finest They say they'll block and boycott it but, where will they get their free music from?
. . . Also, no one is even talking about the other vote. The fair weather "politicians" on FB would drive you mad.
I'm voting yes. I hope the yes vote passes but, the sooner this is over the better. I'm getting fed of tossers on FB telling me about "equality" when I know what a lot of them are really like.
I just hope people vote, one way or the other.
I'm voting yes...I want the yes vote to pass as it's the right thing to do. No arguments there....
But earlier on, I had a status on FB telling me to complain to Youtube and boycott it because the NO campaign had an ad on it....
That's bollix and is hypocrisy at it's worst. So you people can bombard me with Yes statuses and tell me how to vote, but I can't go on YouTube now because the NO side have an ad on Youtube? It's hypocrisy at it's finest They say they'll block and boycott it but, where will they get their free music from?
. . . Also, no one is even talking about the other vote. The fair weather "politicians" on FB would drive you mad.
I'm voting yes. I hope the yes vote passes but, the sooner this is over the better. I'm getting fed of tossers on FB telling me about "equality" when I know what a lot of them are really like.
I just hope people vote, one way or the other.
i'd rather annoying over the lies of the no campaign
What are the main arguments of the no campaign? Just curious.
Surrogacy - Childrens rights < Adults rights/wants.
What rights will the little child of two married men have when it comes to maybe wanting to know who their real daddy and their real mammy are?
The above issue will go into overdrive after Friday and if not Friday after when ever the Government gets what they want by keep having referendums until it's passed.
Essentially the No side are using children, and adoption and surrogacy as some strange argument. Despite the fact that the referendum won't change anything as it currently stands as far as adoption goes.
@The Black Pearl
What rights will the little child of two married people have when it comes to maybe wanting to know who their real daddy and their real mammy are?
Nothing changes. At all.
You'd swear we were throwing them off the rooftops and chopping their hands off in the village squares after Sunday Mass or something. Like it or not Pogue we're all the one. Some people in the cities will be voting no, some will be voting yes same applies to the people that resides outside cities.
The Yes campaigners and Yes voters need to cop on a bit when it comes to that shit.
Yeah I'm not buying that, a child's right to know his biological parents should not be confused with or used against the right to marriage for gay people. If anything, the environment and circumstances in which kids grow up should be the most important here, not the sex of their parents. Issues like surrogacy and adoption should be solved seperately with appropriate legislation.
Just yesterday there was a gay march in Antwerp and the participants were asked beforehand not to hold hands or kiss each other during the manifestation, "just in case it might provoke someone who doesn't want to see such things". Literally made me sick reading that.
Just yesterday there was a gay march in Antwerp and the participants were asked beforehand not to hold hands or kiss each other during the manifestation, "just in case it might provoke someone who doesn't want to see such things". Literally made me sick reading that.
@The Black Pearl
What rights will the little child of two married people have when it comes to maybe wanting to know who their real daddy and their real mammy are?
Nothing changes. At all.[/QUOTE]
If you're on about surrogacy within infertile hetrosexual couples well then I personally am not in favour of that either.
If it's not meant to be well then it's not meant to be. You just have to get on with life.
I have no problem with homosexuals, they were born that way and that's fair enough but it's not natural for them produce children and they should have to understand that.
It's all fairly black and white to me.
What rights will the little child of two married people have when it comes to maybe wanting to know who their real daddy and their real mammy are?
Nothing changes. At all.[/QUOTE]
If you're on about surrogacy within infertile hetrosexual couples well then I personally am not in favour of that either.
If it's not meant to be well then it's not meant to be. You just have to get on with life.
I have no problem with homosexuals, they were born that way and that's fair enough but it's not natural for them produce children and they should have to understand that.
It's all fairly black and white to me.
Fair enough. I was just reacting to your comment that everyone you know would be voting no. Which sounds quite extreme and different to what you'd find in most cities.
I get that its a sensitive subject and absolutely respect the right that people have to vote no. I just haven't found any argument that's convincing and find it strange that people would actively make the effort to block something that has absolutely no bearing on how they lead their own life. I actually don't believe that what you've experienced, locally, reflects rural Ireland as a whole anyway.
Regarding the 'it's not natural for homosexuals to produce children' argument. It is natural for animals, including humans to desire and care for children and start a healthy family. Homosexuals are no different regarding those desires regardless of their inability to reproduce.