General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Labours problems are fairly substantial. They need to get out of the pocket of the trade unions (who elected Ed Miliband instead of Ed), they need to get out from under the thumb of the left wing of the party (as much as it pains me to say it).

Future leadership elections need to look at the US Style for bringing in new voters, but ultimately elect a Nationally 'popular' candidate.

The connection between trade unionism and Labour is one of the core aspects of the party though, is it not?
 
The connection between trade unionism and Labour is one of the core aspects of the party though, is it not?

Unions of today can't really be compared to the unions of the first few decades of the labour movement.
 
Labours problems are fairly substantial. They need to get out of the pocket of the trade unions (who elected Ed Miliband instead of Ed), they need to get out from under the thumb of the left wing of the party (as much as it pains me to say it).

Future leadership elections need to look at the US Style for bringing in new voters, but ultimately elect a Nationally 'popular' candidate.
Agree 100%
Hopefully the impending car crash will be the kick off point for the changes
 
Got one of these through my door today as well (though in a safe Tory seat so seems a bit of a waste of funds tbh)



They literally titled it Strong and Stable Leadership.
 
The connection between trade unionism and Labour is one of the core aspects of the party though, is it not?
Of course, but what does that say about the party

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Ironically, health and safety rules, no-win-no-fee culture, and the EU, have helped kill Trade Unions. Plus the globalisation of manufacturing and industrial jobs... Which is also why quite a few union members I know voted UKIP.

The problem of breaking away from the Unions will be fairly substantial in itself of course. 1) They'd probably set up their own new "Left party". 2) Competing with the Tories financially. So maybe, it's not really possible to do that. But they need to do something.
 
The Greens have targeted my own constituency as their number one target in the GE. We massively won in the recent metro mayor elections though.
 
Just like with other policies from the Corbyn team, what good intentions there might be or failed by its implementation and methodology. Do they imagine that all people who use private healthcare are worthy targets?

Didn't here that complaint when the Tories have already upped insurance tax by 10%
 
How do I do a spoiler? This has some naughty words in it...



It must be tough being a comedian these days. Back in the day political comedy used to revolve around making jokes about hyperbolic things that politicians might do to emphasize the ridiculousness of their positions. How do you do that now when anything you make up, they've probably already done worse.
 
If the Tories don't reign back on this strong and stable coalition of chaos repetition it's going to rebound on them. People with no interest in politics at all are already irritated by it, and there's a long way to go. Also I wonder how long it will be before people question what a strong mandate for negotiation means, I can't be the only one that wonders why Germany, France and Poland et al should give a toss what her majority is. Maybe crap campaign management will provide a chink of hope for those against them after all.
 
If the Tories don't reign back on this strong and stable coalition of chaos repetition it's going to rebound on them. People with no interest in politics at all are already irritated by it, and there's a long way to go. Also I wonder how long it will be before people question what a strong mandate for negotiation means, I can't be the only one that wonders why Germany, France and Poland et al should give a toss what her majority is. Maybe crap campaign management will provide a chink of hope for those against them after all.

Quite, why does anyone in the EU care whether she's got a 10 seat or a 200 seat majority, it's not going to make any difference in the negotiations
 
How do I do a spoiler? This has some naughty words in it...



Ahh the old Occupy movement with 'the 99%' trope again.

Conveniently forgetting that even middle-earners in this country (£25k+) are in the worlds top 1% of wealthy, even those on £15k are in the world's top 4%.

We are kings, living lavishly BUT FECK THE 1% - IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT. Whatever it is.
 
Just like with other policies from the Corbyn team, what good intentions there might be or failed by its implementation and methodology. Do they imagine that all people who use private healthcare are worthy targets?
Sounds an awful idea- surely people using private takes some strain off the NHS and where private does use NHS infrastructure, surely that provides an additional source of funding?
 
If the Tories don't reign back on this strong and stable coalition of chaos repetition it's going to rebound on them. People with no interest in politics at all are already irritated by it, and there's a long way to go. Also I wonder how long it will be before people question what a strong mandate for negotiation means, I can't be the only one that wonders why Germany, France and Poland et al should give a toss what her majority is. Maybe crap campaign management will provide a chink of hope for those against them after all.

Think you're looking at it from too close. A poll just a few days ago showed only 15% of people even recognised the phrase, still a long way before it gets saturated.
 
Think you're looking at it from too close. A poll just a few days ago showed only 15% of people even recognised the phrase, still a long way before it gets saturated.
Yeah just about to mention this. There was focus group of Labour voters about a week and not one of them knew who Tim Farron was or any other politicians bar May, Corbyn and Boris.

For good or bad there is a large percentage of the population who pay absolutely no attention to politics.
 
Think you're looking at it from too close. A poll just a few days ago showed only 15% of people even recognised the phrase, still a long way before it gets saturated.
They're lucky. I get about 15 press releases a day from them responding to virtually every statement by a Labour frontbencher. My inbox is awash with that crap.
 
Yeah just about to mention this. There was focus group of Labour voters about a week and not one of them knew who Tim Farron was or any other politicians bar May, Corbyn and Boris.

For good or bad there is a large percentage of the population who pay absolutely no attention to politics.

Do you know if there were any studies about this from a few decades ago?
 
2010 was the first GE I had a vote in. The is by a distance the least engaging one so far. Were it not for the fact I really rather like my MP (Lucas) I'm not sure I could even be so arsed to spoil a ballot.
 


I wonder why the left struggles in this country


Is it still just a lefty conspiracy theory if its not related to Corbyn? Or is it okay since its Ed related?

Its no wonder the country is fecked when these are the prominent media sources.
 
Heard a few saying they'll be voting Tory to maintain continuity while brexit is ongoing.