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[Paul the Wolf]

Well, I am guessing that the whole point of negotiations is for both sides to try and lessen the pain for themselves. As such, the EU's position cannot be entirely inflexible whatever May says.

Well yes, but there are certain rules of the EU that have to be adhered to, no matter what, and how many seats May gets makes no difference at all.
But on other possible sticking points, still don't see however strong her backing in the UK is , can it persuade the EU to back down on those points.

I still see it as yet another confidence trick, certain people will vote for her simply because they think she will lead a glorious route to Brexit and she says this will help her so the more votes the merrier. Whereas all I see it as is a safeguard against public anger if it all goes wrong.
She'll say to the voters later on down the line, well you wanted this, here it is, the will of the people.

 

[Ubik]

Thanks Noggy. I think the Guardian piece would have been more effective if it had stuck to the people and their history rather than 'the privatisation of the NHS' but the gist is there.

There's another one from an academic rather than Owen Jones here - https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/14/bbc-political-bias-news-nick-robinson

Think I agree with the summation at the end

The current notion that there is obvious bias at the BBC – whether it be of the right or the left – that can be “investigated” and presumably purged, is troubling.

James Purnell is currently the director of radio, Andrew Marr is to the left, and Jones bringing up Kamal Ahmed just because he worked at the Sunday Tele is odd given he previously worked for the Guardian and Observer. Newsnight's economics editor used to be Paul Mason ffs.

 

[Dobba]

 

[Jippy]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/17/bbc-leftwing-bias-non-existent-myth



You can go through all the others in a similar way. All the appointments that could be made by politicians have been given to tory party members or supporters as well.

Its definitely biased to right wing, but that is a symptom of the real problem, that the BBC tends to always be biased to the government. In a private media company, its a problem but par for the course, in a state broadcaster that sells itself, and is even mandated by law to be impartial, it should be unacceptable.

The BBC is massively left wing.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...BC-is-biased-toward-the-left-study-finds.html
Er, the research is by the CPS though

 

[jderbyshire]

Corbyn last, when everyone's lost interest because of how painstakingly boring it all is.

 

[Unmutual]

123456

 

[Sweet Square]

Tom Mills has done some great stuff on the BBC

Podcast

Spoiler

http://novaramedia.com/2016/12/16/the-bbc-myth-of-a-public-service/

Video Lecture

Spoiler

Guardian Article

Spoiler

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/13/marine-le-pen-bbc-right

Book

Spoiler

https://www.versobooks.com/books/2243-the-bbc

 

[Dobba]

This just seems sensible tbh. Its not like every party isn't micromanaging their media presence anyway, this just limits the potential for snafus.

Exactly. It wasn't at all a story when Corbyn wanted to wait until after a business event to answer a member of the media's completely unrelated question on Syria...

 

[Rams]

The BBC is massively left wing.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...BC-is-biased-toward-the-left-study-finds.html
Er, the research is by the CPS though

The BBC should be shut down for not referring to more reports from the totally objective and unbiased Daily Torygraph.






…I have rarely read such an ironic article in my life

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

We can expect a fair level of reporting from former Tory researcher, Murdoch employee, and resident BBC right winger Andrew Neil.

 

[Dobba]

We can expect a fair level of reporting from former Tory researcher, Murdoch employee, and resident BBC right winger Andrew Neil.

Now that isn't fair. You forgot to mention that whilst a Murdoch employee he gave a job to holocaust denier David Irving.

 

[rcoobc]

What a joke, no greens

 

[altodevil]

 

[rcoobc]

The BBC is massively left wing.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...BC-is-biased-toward-the-left-study-finds.html
Er, the research is by the CPS though

Massively left wing is ridiculous. Slightly, but consistently left wing, yes.

 

[Jippy]

We can expect a fair level of reporting from former Tory researcher, Murdoch employee, and resident BBC right winger Andrew Neil.

He is very good tbf. At least as good as Paxman- seen him savage both sides tbf.

What a joke, no greens

When did Natalie Bennett step down as leader? Her interviews were great, particularly the fake coughing fit one

 

[Classical Mechanic]

What a joke, no greens

'how can you have any pudding if you haven't had your greens!'

It always used to be the right in the UK donning their tinfoil hats about BBC bias, now it is the left.

 

[Ubik]

Neil does get partisan on Brexit and climate change, which are two particularly annoying things to get partisan on to me.

 

[Cheesy]

Neil does get partisan on Brexit and climate change, which are two particularly annoying things to get partisan on to me.

What's his climate change position?

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

He is very good tbf. At least as good as Paxman- seen him savage both sides tbf.

Yeah I like Andrew Neil, I was just getting my complaints in early.

 

[Ubik]

What's his climate change position?

Sceptic, at least in every interview I've seen him do. Him and Portillo also like to bring up when ice sheets are larger than usual, not a peep last year when it went horrifically low.

 

[Jippy]

Now that isn't fair. You forgot to mention that whilst a Murdoch employee he gave a job to holocaust denier David Irving.

Irving was actually a respected historian until he went a bit, er, mad.

Yeah I like Andrew Neil, I was just getting my complaints in early.

I'm sure many lefties on here would still be moaning if the ghost of Lenin was doing the interview.

 

[altodevil]

Sceptic, at least in every interview I've seen him do. Him and Portillo also like to bring up when ice sheets are larger than usual, not a peep last year when it went horrifically low.

Christ, how can someone hold a position like his and be that retarded? Surely if someone got caught out by him in an interview they could just trot that out and it makes everything he says invalid.

 

[Unmutual]

123456

 

[ThierryHenry]

Where's Corbyn's One Show interview, fecking disgraceful bias yet again from the BBC. I bet it was that sneaky Kuenssberg having a word, that little agenda spinner doing her work as an undercover agent for the Tories.

Can't tell if this was satire (guessing it was) - Mr and Mrs JC have been invited onto the show as well. Doesn't sound like they've accepted the invite.

 

[Dobba]

 

[ThierryHenry]

I don't doubt you but do you have a source or list or anything?

Andrew Neil is obviously right-wing, but I think he does a pretty impartial job when interviewing. Can't say the same for Dimbleby, he's openly biased and shouldn't be in the job.

Who do you think Dimbleby is biased towards? I've always liked him, not sure if that suggests he's biased towards the left..

 

[Cheesy]

Who do you think Dimbleby is biased towards? I've always liked him, not sure if that suggests he's biased towards the left..

Yeah I like Dimbleby. Could sometimes maybe reign things in a bit more on Question Time when it gets out of hand, but he's not bad.

 

[DOTA]

When did Natalie Bennett step down as leader? Her interviews were great, particularly the fake coughing fit one

She didn't exactly. Greens have two year terms for leadership and she rather understandably decided not to stand for re-election.

 

[Jippy]

She didn't exactly. Greens have two year terms for leadership and she rather understandably decided not to stand for re-election.

Shame, she was entertaining.

 

[Dobba]

Irving was actually a respected historian until he went a bit, er, mad.

By the time of his employment by Andrew his views on the Nazis and particularly the Holocaust were well established.



Yaaaas!

 

[DOTA]

Shame, she was entertaining.

One word for it.

 

[montpelier]

I'm never sure about systemic bias at the BBC. I see a good number of programmes & features with a Lefty slant, I see a fair few Lefty sympathsisers either interviewing or as subjects being interviewed in a supportive way. Dunno about the actual political stuff though, that's a bit more tricky. They don't like Corbyn & tend to support the Establishment (Tory) line a bit too much for me. Also, Kuenssberg when given a 50/50 call on an angle to take, you hardly have to guess where it's going. PMQs would be where I take this view from mainly, atm.

What you definitely do have now, is both sides whingeing about media coverage as an automatic - often bearing not a lot of relation to what the content is / was.

I've definitely seen Ms Hartley-Brewer, some clown from a loony free-market think tank, a relatively harmless Lib Dem & say a not very good Lefty on Sunday politics or something & the Tory Twitter-bots are still slaughtering the BBC for Lefty bias, it's part of the game, now. This is done the other way around too when it's moderate relatively sensible Right vs. the more extreme Lefties. ''It's a proper fascist panel the Beeb has wheeled out tonight...''

 

[Jippy]

By the time of his employment by Andrew his views on the Nazis and particularly the Holocaust were well established.



Yaaaas!

Ah, missed the top bit and thought you'd tagged me by mistake with the fox hunting. Was it defo known then? Think his rep took a weirdly long time to deteriorate from memory. Wasn't he also still regarded as an expert on the Luftwaffe iirc.

 

[711]

Who do you think Dimbleby is biased towards? I've always liked him, not sure if that suggests he's biased towards the left..

He's not overt, but if you did a tick-list of his interruptions and quick disparaging remarks for each side the left's would be considerably longer.
Well I think it would but I could be wrong, I'll try it if I can patient enough.

Bear in mind I'm not hoping to find bias like some, I like Andrew Neil for instance.

Then again Jo Coburn is even better, in fact she's the best out there for me.

 

[SteveJ]

Ah, missed the top bit and thought you'd tagged me by mistake with the fox hunting. Was it defo known then? Think his rep took a weirdly long time to deteriorate from memory. Wasn't he also still regarded as an expert on the Luftwaffe iirc.

Expert? He was Hermann F*cking Goerring.

 

[Ubik]

Ah, missed the top bit and thought you'd tagged me by mistake with the fox hunting. Was it defo known then? Think his rep took a weirdly long time to deteriorate from memory. Wasn't he also still regarded as an expert on the Luftwaffe iirc.

Going by wiki, it was a job as translating Goebbels diaries for serialisation. Neil defended it at the time saying that though Irving was "reprehensible", it was just a translating job, which is a bullshit excuse. Plenty of feckers speak German without also holding sympathies for the third reich!

Also, one of Len's underlings has been selected for Liverpool Walton, ex Liverpool mayor not too happy

 

[PedroMendez]

Christ, how can someone hold a position like his and be that retarded? Surely if someone got caught out by him in an interview they could just trot that out and it makes everything he says invalid.

The Antarctic ice sheet is growing and it is not fully understood why that is. So his statements might be factually correct. Using that as argument against climate-change is not convincing so.

 

[Ubik]

The Antarctic ice sheet is growing and it is not fully understood why that is. So his statements might be factually correct. Using that as argument against climate-change is not convincing so.

The antarctic sea-ice extent suffered a large drop at the end of last year and is still well below average for this time of year. The point is more that he picks and chooses when he talks about it.

 

[Ubik]

FFS

 

[ThierryHenry]

I increasingly like Jim Waterson.

@Ubik - What would you say are the chances of Corbynite MPs making up 15% of the PLP after the election? They're mostly in safe seats so surely it's looking more and more likely?

 

[Cheesy]

FFS

The sort of shite you'd expect from May, or even worse Trump. Poor from Corbyn.