General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Corbyn's reply about Andrew Murray today is so disingenuous I can't even bother laughing.
 
Pretty sure they're too busy pointing out the fact he isn't a nurse and that he's working out of choice not because he's 'expected to'. But yes, he's the idiot...
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you would hope he would stop dropping a bollock on simple questions though so his worshipers could try and turn around his approval ratings rather than moping up his mess? - or at least make it so that he is less disliked than the UKIP leader?
 
Whilst May is more socially conservative than i would like to see in a PM, she could, if true to her pledges, actually introduce some good improvements for the workplace.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...leave-care-elderly-relatives-tory-government/

Still lacking some flesh on the bone here at present mind.


As for matters Labour - i just saw an new interview where Corbyn makes one of his classic communication cock-ups. It's the ITV one where he's asked if he considers himself if he considers himself to be wealthy. Couldn't answer the flippin question. It should have been a simple 'yes' and move on, yet evolved into protracted issue for no good reason.

How many working people can afford a year off to take care of relatives? Something for the rich disguised as something for the poor. Like help to buy
 
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you would hope he would stop dropping a bollock on simple questions though so his worshipers could try and turn around his approval ratings rather than moping up his mess? - or at least make it so that he is less disliked than the UKIP leader?

He'd have a much easier time of it if he only had to parrot a 3 word phrase and sit back while the billionaires use their propaganda machines to churn out a win.
 
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you would hope he would stop dropping a bollock on simple questions though so his worshipers could try and turn around his approval ratings rather than moping up his mess? - or at least make it so that he is less disliked than the UKIP leader?
Just admitting you were wrong would probably have been easier, sun.
 
the man clearly has a history of own goals detracting from his message down to his own utter utter incompetence

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Be fair, the man is both a MP and working as a nurse in his spare time. But hey good job on not 'detracting from his message' by spouting the same old shit.

Also I just remembered that you're voting for Tim Farron's Lib Dems while complaining about leadership incompetence. :lol:
 
It's Andrew Murray? Blimey when I heard there was a communist running the campaign I thought it was Mandelson.
I mean, he's a man in his late fifties who stopped being in the Communist party to join Labour last year, having said in 2015 that he'd be unable to do so because he's too firm in his communist principles. I think Mandelson was one in the 70s?
 
It does say something that he has lower approval ratings than a man who has repeatedly lied about being at Hillsborough. He's just so fecking dismal with the mainstream media.
 
Corbyn's reply about Andrew Murray today is so disingenuous I can't even bother laughing.

another centrist.:lol:

The bit about him not admitting, that he is wealthy is great.

1: Blame "the rich".
2: Earn ~135k/y. "I am adequately paid".
3: "No I am not wealthy, because where I put the money"

:lol:
 
Meh, at least he's not married to Woody Allen:

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How many working people can afford a year off to take care of relatives? Something for the rich disguised as something for the poor. Like help to buy

I think you are missing two key points, in regards to that specific policy. First, is the certainty over job security, and removing that psychological barrier when dealing with one's employer. Second, is that caring for a relative can be a stop-start type of circumstance, calling for a short-medium term absences. You shouldn't have to take holiday or fear for your job prospects when such situations arise.

Similarly, this applies to bereavement related leave.

Sure, they could go further, however it's an advance from the status quo.
 
It does say something that he has lower approval ratings than a man who has repeatedly lied about being at Hillsborough. He's just so fecking dismal with the mainstream media.
indeed - though if that's his fault or the mainstream medias seems to depend on if your in / out of the corbynista echo chamber
 
Not admitting that earning 60+k for the last 34 years makes you wealthy is daft, most can only dream of that kind of wage, but I sort of get why Corbyn doesn't give the obvious answers sometimes given the negative slant that gets stuck on everything he says. If he said 'Yes I'm wealthy' the tabloids would probably splash "I'M LOADED" BOASTS HYPOCRITE CORBYN across the front pages.
 
I mean, he's a man in his late fifties who stopped being in the Communist party to join Labour last year, having said in 2015 that he'd be unable to do so because he's too firm in his communist principles. I think Mandelson was one in the 70s?
Ed Miliband was probably too left wing for him at the time, to be fair. On your Mandelson point, I'm keen to find out what this cut off point for views no longer being relevant is, can I hazard a guess that it's just before any reference you can make to the IRA?
Arthur Atkinson is looking good for his age. Has he found his washboard yet?
I think you are missing two key points, in regards to that specific policy. First, is the certainty over job security, and removing that psychological barrier when dealing with one's employer. Second, is that caring for a relative can be a stop-start type of circumstance, calling for a short-medium term absences. You shouldn't have to take holiday or fear for your job prospects when such situations arise.

Similarly, this applies to bereavement related leave.

Sure, they could go further, however it's an advance from the status quo. Sometimes, even parties of whom we are otherwise sceptical have a good intentions.
Even if it requires people like yourself to invent them.
 
Ed Miliband was probably too left wing for him at the time, to be fair. On your Mandelson point, I'm keen to find out what this cut off point for views no longer being relevant is, can I hazard a guess that it's just before any reference you can make to the IRA?

Arthur Atkinson is looking good for his age. Has he found his washboard yet?

Even if it requires people like yourself to invent them.
Well, other people reading can make their own minds up of course, but I personally think that being a member of the Young Communist League at 20 years old is probably less of an indication on your fully formed political views than being a member of the Communist Party of Britain for four decades into your 50s. Maybe he'll declare he's intensely relaxed about the filthy rich and prove me wrong.

Have you any thoughts on the new immigration controls policy yet, or will you just continue ignoring it?
 
Well, other people reading can make their own minds up of course, but I personally think that being a member of the Young Communist League at 20 years old is probably less of an indication on your fully formed political views than being a member of the Communist Party of Britain for four decades into your 50s. Maybe he'll declare he's intensely relaxed about the filthy rich and prove me wrong.

Have you any thoughts on the new immigration controls policy yet, or will you just continue ignoring it?
he must be - afterall he is working for one isnt he? (how many own goals will corbyn score this election?)
 
Have you any thoughts on the new immigration controls policy yet, or will you just continue ignoring it?
That Brexit means the end of FOM? Not ideal but welcome to the shit show that is Cameron's legacy. Being the EU party is working so well for the Lib Dems it's hard to look at their figures and not think what could have been.
 
I don't personally think Labour can have a platform other than ending free movement. My main reason for voting remain was to keep it but we lost and we lost primarily because more people wanted to end free movement.
 
That Brexit means the end of FOM? Not ideal but welcome to the shit show that is Cameron's legacy. Being the EU party is working so well for the Lib Dems it's hard to look at their figures and not think what could have been.
No, that choosing to leave the single market means the end of freedom of movement.

Good to know that you're content with a policy decision aimed at placating anti-immigration sentiment. I suppose they won't put it on a mug though and that's the main thing.
 
Good to know that you're content with a policy decision aimed at placating anti-immigration sentiment. I suppose they won't put it on a mug though and that's the main thing.
Honestly, I think this is accepting the will of the people and the mugs were pandering to the right.
 
Honestly, I think this is accepting the will of the people and the mugs were pandering to the right.
They're both pandering to the right, the main difference is that this policy actually will put controls on immigration. If we had a referendum on the death penalty and people wanted to bring it back (and I'm pretty sure they would), I don't think we'd be acquiescing to the will of the people so much.
 
I don't personally think Labour can have a platform other than ending free movement. My main reason for voting remain was to keep it but we lost and we lost primarily because more people wanted to end free movement.

I would say that the received wisdom has pointed towards an end to FoM ever since May became leader. This being the case, Labour really ought to have the bones of an immigration policy to air to the public. This should include the costs of visas in particular, as EU citizens will now fall into what was formerly non-EU. The ease of admittance is entirely up to them, and in doing so they can appear more realistic than the Lib Dems.
 
I would say that the received wisdom has pointed towards an end to FoM ever since May became leader. This being the case, Labour really ought to have the bones of an immigration policy to air to the public. This should include the costs of visas in particular, as EU citizens will now fall into what was formerly non-EU. The ease of admittance is entirely up to them, and in doing so they can appear more realistic than the Lib Dems.
spouces etc as well - income thresholds - in fairness I think all parties should make more of an effort in this respect
 
They're both pandering to the right, the main difference is that this policy actually will put controls on immigration. If we had a referendum on the death penalty and people wanted to bring it back (and I'm pretty sure they would), I don't think people would be acquiescing to the will of the people so much.
I don't know whether they would or not. Pretty sure that, myself, I'd still be in the 'despairing but accepting' camp, though.
 
No, that choosing to leave the single market means the end of freedom of movement.

Good to know that you're content with a policy decision aimed at placating anti-immigration sentiment. I suppose they won't put it on a mug though and that's the main thing.
Yes because when you're content with something you label it 'not ideal'. I've always found it odd that you rarely mention those existing at a time the party were also promising to be tougher than the Tories on welfare and that they were not the party for people out of work - almost as if that context said more about the party than the mug did.

spouces etc as well - income thresholds - in fairness I think all parties should make more of an effort in this respect
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...t-threshold-visa-immigration-uk-a7729846.html
Keep up.
 
spouces etc as well - income thresholds - in fairness I think all parties should make more of an effort in this respect

Agreed.

Given the rate of increase to net immigration in such a relatively short period of time, we likely have more flexibility than some suppose. Fare more important, in my view, is reform the existing entry procedure. For not only are the financial demands significant, but the emotional stress of the whole process also.
 
Yes because when you're content with something you label it 'not ideal'. I've always found it odd that you rarely mention those existing at a time the party were also promising to be tougher than the Tories on welfare and that they were not the party for people out of work - almost as if that context said more about the party than the mug did.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...t-threshold-visa-immigration-uk-a7729846.html
Keep up.
It's just that you've brought up the mug so often lately as an example of the moral decay of Ed Miliband that I thought it might provoke a slightly sterner response than "not ideal" when they go further this time round.

I agree that that was terrible rhetoric from Reeves, yet again making a meh policy appear draconian (by the looks of it, it was for the compulsory jobs guarantee policy). But I again note that the draft manifesto didn't contain much in the way of reversing the cuts to benefits beyond vague "review" promises, instead prioritising stuff like the triple lock and tuition fees. For someone that won the leadership in large part because of his unwillingness to budge on that issue, I'm surprised his supporters aren't more concerned. Maybe the final copy will have more.
 

But would spouses automatically get a right to work - are they still subject to life in the UK tests and or English language tests...

Me and my wife had a hellish time even though we both earned well over the pescribed amounts just because of the impracticality and in flexibility in the system...

So whilst I cautiously welcome the removal of the income thresholds it is only part of a bigger picture and I think all parties could do a better job of explaining their proposals - particularly in light of the number of UK citizens who will be in a relationship with an EU citizen and as such facing uncertainty.
 
Whilst May is more socially conservative than i would like to see in a PM, she could, if true to her pledges, actually introduce some good improvements for the workplace.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...leave-care-elderly-relatives-tory-government/

Still lacking some flesh on the bone here at present mind.


As for matters Labour - i just saw an new interview where Corbyn makes one of his classic communication cock-ups. It's the ITV one where he's asked if he considers himself if he considers himself to be wealthy. Couldn't answer the flippin question. It should have been a simple 'yes' and move on, yet evolved into protracted issue for no good reason.

With her push on workers' rights is she going to protect my right to work in 27 other EU countries?
 
Hi there.


It is a bit odd that this hasn't led to the endless jokes about not knowing figures like someone else I can think of. Or complaints that things are uncosted. Or 'Muh Money Tree'.


A free year off unpaid to care for a relative because they've completely gutted the actual services that could do that while you still worked? What a deal!


The Tories have continually missed their deficit reduction targets which means they have continually been responsible for "uncosted spending". Doesn't really matter when you have the press on your side though.