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You are deluded. The numbers I quoted are the percentage of the vote from the general election. The majority of the country voted for the Lib Dems and further left.
As for whether the Lib Dems would get into bed with Labour, they would for proportional representation. Plain and simple
How many regular Tory rebels are there likely to be on the subject of Brexit?
No they didn't no matter how hard you try you can't paint 42% of the vote or 318 seats as a the majority. A majority is over 50% She got nowhere near 50% of the people voting and even fell short of 50% of the seats.
By definition it's a minority that is why she is trying to create a minority government.
Who are moronic bigots and why? Ahh yes... the party that have a woman as the leader but quote unquote don't believe in women's rights?
Why would you type out 'quote unquote'?
I dont actually know tbh.
Most misogonists I've met have been women
The thing is I can't see the DUP getting involved unless they Tories stump up cash for major investment in Northern Ireland. How is the rest of the country going to react to Austerity on Mainland Britain while Northern Ireland get major investment?
I think believing the world is 6000 years old, not 'believing' in evolution or climate change and being repulsed by gay people is pretty moronic and bigoted. But hey, you do you.
This is complete cobblers quite frankly. Holding a minority government together at the best of time is frighteningly difficult, and this time they have to try and go it with the support of a tiny party of fecking lunatics who believe things that most of the Tory MPs find ridiculous and offensive. The DUP aren't going to hand the Tories power without wanting things in return, and yet she can't give them much without risking a rebellion from her own party MPs. Hell, she had a hard enough time when she had a majority, now every time she tries to pass legislation Tory MP's know that just a handful of them can hold May to ransom.
This is not like the Tory/Lib Dem coalition, its a fecking mess and if it lasts 6 months I'll be absolutely shocked.
Given there's always several by-elections between general elections there's no way this Tory-DUP pact can last 5 years.
Five months would be an achievement at this rate.
The problem with PR in the UK is that you'd end up in a situation where every election would be a game of who can bribe the Lib Dems with the most to get into power.
They'd end up being the 3rd largest party by a huge margin but the party with the morning power.
I'd prefer 325 MP's via FPTP by doubling the size of constituencies (also has the bonus of local MP's still championing local issues). Then 325 MP's via PR.
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And whose responsibility was it to rally the Labour party - all of them - behind him?
My issue with proportional representation is that people vote, largely, based on party/leader rather than local MP or local issues. PR makes coalition far more likely. Now in theory the idea that a party that won 40% of the vote joining up with party that won 20% of the vote to form government that represents 60% of the electorate sound great.
In reality what happens is that the two parties hash out a post-election manifesto 'deal', like in 2010, that nobody ever voted for. So we end up with a government elected by a greater percentage share of the population but with a set of policies not one single vote was cast for.
Not sure how that's democratic. "Thanks for the votes, now we're off to discuss behind closed doors what policies we're deciding retrospectively you voted for."
That isn't to say FPTP isn't flawed either.
In reality what happens is that the two parties hash out a post-election manifesto 'deal', like in 2010, that nobody ever voted for. So we end up with a government elected by a greater percentage share of the population but with a set of policies not one single vote was cast for.
Not sure how that's democratic. "Thanks for the votes, now we're off to discuss behind closed doors what policies we're deciding retrospectively you voted for."
That isn't to say FPTP isn't flawed either.
Think this will last till the end of the Brexit negotiations, and then depending on how they go and and how this sort of coalition is going we might get an election then.
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The Con-DUP alliance numbers aren't actually that bad because Sinn Fein don't turn up. It's the (Brexit) instability & in-fighting which will do for them.
Dead duck Leader or Leader with no mandate = 'coalition of chaos'. You can't run on that ticket for too long. Then your remain MPs from remain constituencies start to come out & that encourages all the remain MPs out, so you cop for that happening too.
Then we have another Election - there isn't any choice.
Dead duck Leader or Leader with no mandate = 'coalition of chaos'. You can't run on that ticket for too long. Then your remain MPs from remain constituencies start to come out & that encourages all the remain MPs out, so you cop for that happening too.
Then we have another Election - there isn't any choice.
That would work. To be honest, I don't want "perfect" PR; the system we have at the moment works fantastically in terms of; regional representation, having someone to complain to, etc. My ideal system would therefore be the single transferable vote with around 3 MPs per constituency, but no more.
But actually, I've given up with a Proportionally Represented House of Commons (until we came so close 4 days ago). A Proportional Represented House of Lords with only slightly more power than they have now would do wonders though.
But actually, I'm not sure it's correct to say it would be just "whoever can appeal to the Lib Dems" anymore. In the old days of the three main parties taking 95%+ of the vote, that was obviously true, but these days it doesn't have to be correct.
The 2015 results:
Conservatives: 36.8%
UKIP: 12.7%
Pretty clear who would have been in power there!
Ahh is that their party policy? Or did you hear this on social media? Many of my non-Irish friends who are now suddenly experts in DUP policy got their information from social media having only heard about the DUP 3 days ago.
Not including people who thought the Green Party had a few policies Labour should look at adopting or commented on how much they like Foo Fighters, or the "entryist trots" though.
In a country full of ageing people
On such margins...
Probably wouldn't take many in the other direction to deprive them of any chance of forming a government.
Probably wouldn't take many in the other direction to deprive them of any chance of forming a government.
I'm certain that May will resign. I find it hard to believe that she would have the nerve to walk back into westminster after a catastrophic friendly fire raid on her own back bench.
She'll also be a laughing stock with the EU crowd and foreign leaders.
The Conservative government have to surely try to emerge from this situation with as much credibility as they can muster, which would be impossible with May still as prime minister.
She'll also be a laughing stock with the EU crowd and foreign leaders.
The Conservative government have to surely try to emerge from this situation with as much credibility as they can muster, which would be impossible with May still as prime minister.
You're right there, the Tory's have been doing just that since the beginning of time.
I think there was a few thousand to give Labour an outright majority which when you consider how far from it they are is insane.
Sums up our electoral system doesn't it?
There will have to be a Tory party consensus over her replacement before they push her out as they won't want to have Brexit negotiations happening along side a leadership contest. That's why I think Boris may well be out of luck as he's far too much of a polarising figure in the parliamentary party to fulfil that role as he'll never stand without others challenging him.
I expect it may well be Amber Rudd. But the 1922 committee have to get all their ducks in a row first, they can't risk announcing a leadership election and then have multiple names thrown into the hat. They'll want a coronation and a smooth transition.
I expect it may well be Amber Rudd. But the 1922 committee have to get all their ducks in a row first, they can't risk announcing a leadership election and then have multiple names thrown into the hat. They'll want a coronation and a smooth transition.
I also think it's a bit arbitrary looking at current voting patterns and applying them to a PR system.
My other half for example is somewhere between a Lib Dem and a Tory (strict fiscal responsibity but socially liberal). She'd probably vote Lib Dem in a PR system to back the "give a brain to the Labour party or a heart to the Tories" mantra.
However in FPTP she'll generally vote Tory as she believes without the biggest possible budget as a result of economical and fiscal responsibility... everyone loses. So in a choice between Labour and Conservative the latter would always win.
yes the majority of the country......by 2%.
About 44,000 to get them 60 more seats and a working majority, about 7,000 to become the largest party. Crazy.
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Short term maybe, but I think you'd quickly see the parties fragment as it's less incumbent on them to form big groups that encompass a range of views.
So I think you'll see the Conservatives split into a centre right and a right wing party and Labour into at least two as well. I think you'd also see a big surge towards the Greens as well.
Indeed. I actually have 2 or 3 friends that switch between Greens and Conservatives regularly. That might seem crazy, but actually isn't, they want fiscal conservatism and green policies.
(Obviously they should be voting Lib Dem, but dont)
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There's a good point here
Tories would have a bare working majority if the DUP just abstained on everything.
Tories would have a bare working majority if the DUP just abstained on everything.
Pinch of salt and all that.
I don't think it's fair to put all of the blame on the PLP, there were legitimate criticisms of Corbyn's leadership and performance to date (where was this level of campaigning in the Brexit referendum?).
Hopefully both sites can unite now and we'll see a stronger party.
Hopefully both sites can unite now and we'll see a stronger party.
Not sure of your point?
I can't see any interpretation that doesn't mean anything other than Corbyn ran a great campaign and got a result better than anyone imagined.
If he had caved to the Blairites I doubt he would have done so well.
Point of order - can people stop using the term "Blairites" inaccurately? Describing people like Tom Watson as a Blairite makes my logic circuits short out a little.