Gunmen attack Mumbai in at least seven places

Manmohan Singh demanded to the pak prime minister that the isi chief be sent over to new delhi.

isi chief is on the way.
 
Qaradawi's views probably account for less than 15% of Muslims, with the vast majority of them being in the Middle-East. You want to know REAL Muslim opinion on Terror? Read up on Gibril Haddad, Hisham Kabbani, Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Abdul Hakim Murad (Henry Winter's brother btw), and many others of their ilk. But you wont read them, cos no doubt, you've already read them, and they contradict your prejudiced views on Islam...


I don't think there is one, despite what some of the moderates on here are trying to tell you. Blaming terrorism on Islam is just as stupid as calling it a peaceful religion. Just as other major religions it's outdated and dangerous when mixed with politics.
 
Attacking Pakistan would be a huge mistake IMHO. You do know that the vast majority of Muslims in Pakistan are of the Barelwi/Sufi and Deoband varieties, dont you? The whole basis of the Barelwi sect is peaceful love and rememberance of the Prophet (PBUH). I should know, I am one. While the Deoband specifically advocate an anti-terror stance, although a very tiny and very stupid minority from Britain, did perpetrate the 7/7 attacks

Course, there are some Wahabbis, but they are largely insignificant, and most of the ones I have met, dont concern themselves with the politics of Bin Laden & Co.

Arent Wahabis the most dominant sect in Saudi Arabia? Arguably the most powerful Islamic nation in the world

I dont think it is right to say this group is insignificant as their ultra conservative 'brand' of Islam could be said to be a source of fundamentalist radicalisation.
 
I don't think there is one, despite what some of the moderates on here are trying to tell you. Blaming terrorism on Islam is just as stupid as calling it a peaceful religion. Just as other major religions it's outdated and dangerous when mixed with politics.

Could you not have started with this instead. ;)
 
I just read that the British person killed by these bastards in Mumbai was Andreas Liveras....I met this guy at a boat show in Monte Carlo a couple of years ago as I drooled over one of his yachts. Was a really nice, friendly guy.

fecking terrorists. :mad:
 
I think as an Israeli, holyland red might feel a bit differently on the issue than most of us, especially if he has lived under threat from Islamic extremists. Unfortunately, many arabs and muslims are taught at a young age to hate Israel and it's no surprise the constant tension over there, caused by both parties.

CNN is reporting that at least 5 Jewish hostages have been killed, there is chaos in the siege of the Jewish center at the moment. So much for the Indian officials stating that the operations are nearing an end..
 
I think as an Israeli, holyland red might feel a bit differently on the issue than most of us, especially if he has lived under threat from Islamic extremists. Unfortunately, many arabs and muslims are taught at a young age to hate Israel and it's no surprise the constant tension over there, caused by both parties.

CNN is reporting that at least 5 Jewish hostages have been killed, there is chaos in the siege of the Jewish center at the moment. So much for the Indian officials stating that the operations are nearing an end..
The Israel-Palestine conflict is a war of independence, both sides seek self rule on the same patch of land
 
I think as an Israeli, holyland red might feel a bit differently on the issue than most of us, especially if he has lived under threat from Islamic extremists.

Goes both ways. I as a Lebanese lived under threat from Israel for about 18 years of my life.
 
I have recently become good friends with a woman from Lebanon and it has been fascinating to get her opinion on the situation.

She says that, coming from a educated and more wealthy background herself, that there is a huge feeling of contempt for Hezbollah amongst the educated people in Lebanon. But she is scared by the amount of support they receive from the less well off citizens.

It was refreshing to meet someone from that part of the world who has a balanced view on the subject to be honest!
 
I have recently become good friends with a woman from Lebanon and it has been fascinating to get her opinion on the situation.

She says that, coming from a educated and more wealthy background herself, that there is a huge feeling of contempt for Hezbollah amongst the educated people in Lebanon. But she is scared by the amount of support they receive from the less well off citizens.

Yes, that is true, most well off Lebanese do show contempt towards Hezbollah. But religion also does play a prominent part, unfortunately.
 
imo the Pakistani government has nothing to do with this...obviously a Kashmir issue...but Pakistan does not want to commit suicide by going to war with India.
But the fact these guys had some sophisticated weapons proves some foreign organization involvement....
 
Been sleeping so much to catch up on i imagine. I must say i didn't expect the situation at the Taj to have escalated since this morning.

And if as someoen said earlier gunmen have escaped from the Jewish cultural centre, well that's an almighty clanger isn't it, troops approaching from below and above as well as a cordon outside should have prevented that.

24 dead bodies discovered at the Oberoi, death toll having risen to 140. :(

However as well as the terrorists have evaded capture up to this point, they coud yet find themselves defeated by fatigue and not only a bullet. I mean how long can you stay awake and focused? The Inidians can send in fresh police and military all the time.
 
Yes, that is true, most well off Lebanese do show contempt towards Hezbollah. But religion also does play a prominent part, unfortunately.

I worked with a Shia Lebanese during the 2006 war. Quite an experience, although she wasn't as convinced as some of our resident anti-Israel brigade that Israel was to blame for the war.
 
What kind of sick fecks are they, they attacked a hospital as well. Is there no way to root out extremisim? Bombay will take years to recover from the shock of this.

There are so many questions to be answered as well. How the hell did they get in so easily? Why is it taking so long to get them, in fact what is actually going on? And hopefully we'll find out who they were, and they came from.
 
my wife told me she had stayed at the Oberoi years ago...a great hotel apparently...she cant imagine all this happening....

...whatever it sounds like India was completely unprepared for something like this....which is amazing considering the Kashmir situation....
 
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One of the terrorists.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wo...Fire_In_Taj_Mahal_Palace_Hotel,_Mumbai,_India
 
my wife told me she had stayed at the Oberoi years ago...a great hotel apparently...she cant imagine all this happening....

...whatever it sounds like India was completely unprepared for something like this....which is amazing considering the Kashmir situation....

But seriously - how can you prepare for something like this?
Terrorists checking in as hotel guests, others already working at the hotel - these are not just some random idiots with guns - the whole thing has obviously been meticulously planned.
 
I worked with a Shia Lebanese during the 2006 war. Quite an experience, although she wasn't as convinced as some of our resident anti-Israel brigade that Israel was to blame for the war.

why dont you feck the right off this thread. take you're israel shite to another thread.
 
I do agree in most of your points raised. But a country must prepare itself i every way to fight terrorsim. Yes India has not been vigilant in monitoring the underground activities. Everything is flawed. Our standards does not yet match our western peers. It is difficult especially in Mumbai with the sheer population density. But I feel that is an even bigger reason for improved armed protection. Havr you ever seen an american cop without a gun ? I'm pretty sure all british cops have guns too. I'm just saying that the rescue effort could have been better.

British police are in fact not routinely armed, it is restricted to specialist units only. Something i think we are still quite proud of actually.

After the bombings of 7/7/05 and the failed attacks of 21st of 21/7/05, there was high visibility armed policing near public transport hubs in particular, however this was was gradually phased out.

The places you would expect to see police with guns in this country would be airports, high profile political and diplomaitc offices, nuclear facilities, that sort of thing.

I do agree with you in that the response is nto what it could and should have been, evident by the escalation/lingering of problems at the Taj for instance. We the Brits learned over recent decades through unfortunate experience the skills and tactics that we now use. We can now only hope that this serves as an urgent lesson for the Indian military and necessary changes put into effect.
 
I think as an Israeli, holyland red might feel a bit differently on the issue than most of us, especially if he has lived under threat from Islamic extremists. Unfortunately, many arabs and muslims are taught at a young age to hate Israel and it's no surprise the constant tension over there, caused by both parties.

CNN is reporting that at least 5 Jewish hostages have been killed, there is chaos in the siege of the Jewish center at the moment. So much for the Indian officials stating that the operations are nearing an end..


I wasn't the one bringing the Israeli-Arab conflict into this thread.
 
I would never walk out and protest just to appease dipshits like you. You need to have your face pounded into the ground

That said, RIP for the victims, the Indians have been dealing with this for too long, I'm sure they know how to handle it. I don't think they need any help from Brits who by comparison are complete amateurs when it comes to terrorism, starting from the law enforcement, through media, and the general population.

This post started shabbily and only proceeded to get worse.

Thankfully we don't live in a society where if someone says something that you disagree with, it is then acceptable to "pound their face into the ground".
 
The Israeli coupled who were killed.


In this undated photo provided by Chabad.org, Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg, left, and his wife Rivkah Holtzberg, the directors of Chabad-Lubavitch of Mumbai, India,are shown. The Holtzberg's were at one of the sites attacked by suspected militants in Mumbai, Nov. 26, 2008. A cook who pulled Holtzberg's toddler son out of the building told The Associated Press she had seen Holtzberg and his wife lying on the floor, apparently unconscious.

Their son like pehrhaps others this day, now an orphan.



The argument that you lot are still having, whatever it is, it ain't worth it.
 
I worked with a Shia Lebanese during the 2006 war. Quite an experience, although she wasn't as convinced as some of our resident anti-Israel brigade that Israel was to blame for the war.

That's refreshing, to be honest, but is in reality a mere exception to what the rest of the Lebanese Shia population really think about Hizoballah and Israel.
 
Thankfully we don't live in a society where if someone says something taht you disagree with, that it isthens acceptable to "pound their face into the ground".

You reckon?

It might not be acceptable, but it happens all the time.
 
But seriously - how can you prepare for something like this?
Terrorists checking in as hotel guests, others already working at the hotel - these are not just some random idiots with guns - the whole thing has obviously been meticulously planned.

Which means it could happen anywhere.
 
You reckon?

It might not be acceptable, but it happens all the time.

You put that statement of mind right there. t isn't acceptable but yeah, people tonight when spilling out of PUBS/clubs will take offence where there is none or stupidly, or where they were the insitgators themselves and do just that.
 
Arent Wahabis the most dominant sect in Saudi Arabia? Arguably the most powerful Islamic nation in the world

I dont think it is right to say this group is insignificant as their ultra conservative 'brand' of Islam could be said to be a source of fundamentalist radicalisation.

Where can it be argued that Saudi is the most dominant Islamic State? Most important because of the two Masjid Al-Harams, but other than that, Saudi has nothing to distinguish it from a random oil-rich Emirate. Unfortunately, the Muslim World is in dire straights at this moment in time...