Harry Kane - 2015/16 performances

He's alright for a mouth breather.
 
I would love him here, with him and Martial interchanging between the #9 and #10 position we would have one of the most promising forward line ups in the world.
 
GlastonSpur said:
No. Not least because Vardy has scored 17 goals in the Prem, combined from both last season and this one so far, which is less than Kane scored last season alone. And I don't know, but I'd also guess that a higher percentage of Vardy's goals have been pens.

As for Phillips, he scored a higher percentage of goals per game than Kane, but a great many of his goals were not in Prem. Without doing the maths I'd guess that Kane's Prem goals percentage is higher so far.
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14-15 & 15-16 Kane:
Mins: 3613
Goals: 27
Pens: 4
Mins per Outfield Goal: 157.1

14-15 & 15-16 Vardy:
Mins: 3330
Goals: 17
Pens: 3
Mins per Outfield Goal: 237.9

You're welcome.
 
Ramshock said:
Cmon ffs Glaston, Martial oozes class, he plays like a 26 year old at 19. Wise up!

Saying that I still think Kane will be a target for us in the summer.
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Martial has looked pretty good so far - I haven't said otherwise. But the claim that he's more talented than Kane is clearly far from proven. You only have to look at the comparative goals tally to know that: 38 club goals for Kane in the last 1.3 seasons, never mind his international goals.

Yes, Martial is 2.5 years younger, but even so Martial has it all yet to prove compared to Kane.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Martial has looked pretty good so far - I haven't said otherwise. But the claim that he's more talented than Kane is clearly far from proven. You only have to look at the comparative goals tally to know that: 38 clubs goals for Kane in the last 1.3 seasons, never mind his international goals.

Yes, Martial is 2.5 years younger, but even so Martial has it all yet to prove compared to Kane.
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Goals scored = talent level then?
 
Ramshock said:
Goals scored = talent level then?
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For a striker, yes to some considerable extent. Obviously there's more to it than that, but Kane contributes a lot to Spurs even when he doesn't score: his all-round game is really good.
 
Why do we need to compare them anyway? Martial looks great but he's only played 14 games for us while Kane has got 94 apps for Spurs.

It's obvious that Kane would be a fantastic signing for us and a player we're crying out for. He could easily fill in the #10 role or the #9. So whats the issue? Some posters thought it would be a lot of money to spend on a one season pony, but his form is now showing that isn't the case and he's the real deal. We should be putting a huge offer in for him this Summer if we really have any desire to reshape our attack (which is terrible).
 
GlastonSpur said:
So more talented, but a worse player? Sounds likes double-speak bollocks to me.
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What are you on about?

Talent and how good a player currently is are clearly different things.

Is Vardy more talented than Kane?
 
We'll be priced out of it but if LvG is still here next summer he'll be telling Woodward to go all out for him. Fits his style of play very well and offers a lot of things this team lacks.
 
who cares bout how both are talented, they are completely different players and we should get both as Kane is brilliant as well, already proved himself, in a half working team, he will score goals if anything and ppl really should not rate him by goal... saying he was shit at the strt of the season s he didnt score is bullshit.. hes really humble guy, hardworker who can easily reach the level of manchester united, well hes aalready twice the player rooney is, it doesnt say much though.

We should always look forward to signing best english talents and he's one of them no matter how slightly more talented martial can look like..
 
GlastonSpur said:
This totally ignores the goals stats, which is a striker's main purpose. Not to mention that Kane usually contributes hugely to all round play even when he's not scoring.
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Bringing Goal stats isn't fair to Martial, because last season it was only the second half of the season Martial actually started matches before that he was a sub, and this season he came at the deadline day and his stats were amazing for the first 4 matches and its only 12 matches, still and then he was shifted on the wings, and above all its his first season in the league, And i like Kane but Martial is a better player and if he keeps playing as a striker this season i can see him scoring 15 goals. How many goals did Kane score in his first season between?
 
m1y2 said:
who cares bout how both are talented, they are completely different players and we should get both as Kane is brilliant as well, already proved himself, in a half working team, he will score goals if anything and ppl really should not rate him by goal... saying he was shit at the strt of the season s he didnt score is bullshit.. hes really humble guy, hardworker who can easily reach the level of manchester united, well hes aalready twice the player rooney is, it doesnt say much though.

We should always look forward to signing best english talents and he's one of them no matter how slightly more talented martial can look like..
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I keep reading this that everyone wants us to buy him, Why is everybody forgetting the biggest problem we have is, we lack players with pace and skill players who can beat players from standing positions, and as good a player Kane is he is not what we need right now, we need a Sanchez, Costa(Douglas), Greizmann, Mane etc these kind of players.
 
Cina said:
What are you on about?

Talent and how good a player currently is are clearly different things.

Is Vardy more talented than Kane?
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I responded to the claim that Martial is (now, present tense) more talented than Kane. However, you seem to be talking about Martial as a better prospect for the future - in contrast to "how good a player currently is". Well, OK, that's an opinion which has yet to be proven true.

As for Vardy, I've already responded to that with the stats given earlier.
 
Americano said:
I haven't watched their last few matches where he has started scoring goals again. How has the quality of his overall play been?
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whenever i have seen him he is very calm on the ball very mature, as in always choose the correct option, but he is not very creative to be playing as a number 10 IMO thats mostly the job of Eriksen for Spurs, but overall he is not one of those players whose allround game gets shot if they are not scoring or they look toothless/liability when they are not scoring.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I responded to the claim that Martial is (now, present tense) more talented than Kane. However, you seem to be talking about Martial as a better prospect for the future - in contrast to "how good a player currently is". Well, OK, that's an opinion which has yet to be proven true.

As for Vardy, I've already responded to that with the stats given earlier.
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Martial IS more talented than him. Me saying Kane is currently the better player than him is irrelevant to that. Vardy is better than Kane but clearly not more talented.
 
What we've established from this thread:

1) Harry Kane is class and should be our main target next summer
2) Jamie Vardy is a better player than Harry Kane, cos apparently age and talent doesn't matter only goal does.
 
Can't really say that martial is more talented yet as Kane has, to an extent, proven himself already as one of the best strikers in the league.

Martial is a better dribbler and has better close control, but Kane looks to be a better header and long shooter of the ball. Think they're both deadly in the box.
 
Cina said:
Martial IS more talented than him. Me saying Kane is currently the better player than him is irrelevant to that. Vardy is better than Kane but clearly not more talented.
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It's way too early to be saying how talented a player Martial is when he's not even made 20 apps for the club. We have no idea what his season long form is going to be like, we have no idea if his early goal scoring was just new club syndrome. I remember saying exactly the same thing when everyone was heaping praise on Januzaj. You can't judge a players ability on such a small timeframe.
 
Cina said:
Martial IS more talented than him. Me saying Kane is currently the better player than him is irrelevant to that. Vardy is better than Kane but clearly not more talented.
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Sorry, but I completely fail to see how a player can be both better than another, but less talented at the same time. And this quite apart from the fact that a striker's main purpose is to score goals, a function in which Kane's talent clearly far outshines Martial's thus far.

As for Vardy, his goals-per-minutes ratio in the Prem is far worse than Kane's. So on what basis is he "better"?
 
GlastonSpur said:
For a striker, yes to some considerable extent. Obviously there's more to it than that, but Kane contributes a lot to Spurs even when he doesn't score: his all-round game is really good.
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No it's not mate. Maybe for similar type of strikers, but not strikers who are very different qualitatively, and especially not for strikers who are in different stages of their progression. I really like Kane FWIW, and I'm not going to take sides here since it's still a bit too early to tell either way. However, Martial played mostly as a winger for Monaco behind the likes of Berbatov, similar to how Thierry Henry started out for the team.

His game was (and still kind of is) based on dribbling and creating space for the primary striker, and it's only at United where he has become kind of a focal point of our attack. And even now, he's been shifted out wide on more than one occasion, as opposed to Kane who has been playing as the target striker for a while. Plus, Martial started only a handful of games for Monaco. Granted, Kane did so too at the beginning of his career, but he has been a mainstay for a while, unlike Martial.

So using goals as a metric and extrapolating that to discern their talent level as strikers is misleading, unless they play in similar systems, and are fulfilling similar roles, and you should know that.

PS: This might sound stupid, and counterproductive to a lot Kane's hold up qualities, but I'd like to see him play the Thomas Müller role. Dunno why, but their at times awkward style of play, and their cerebral approach in attack seems kinda similar. This isn't to say Kane is as versatile, or as good of a passer, or dribbler in confined spaces as someone who will go down as one of the modern greats. But given Kane's skillset, he could play as the #10/ #8 hybrid like Müller does so effectively.
 
RedSky said:
It's way too early to be saying how talented a player Martial is when he's not even made 20 apps for the club. We have no idea what his season long form is going to be like, we have no idea if his early goal scoring was just new club syndrome. I remember saying exactly the same thing when everyone was heaping praise on Januzaj. You can't judge a players ability on such a small timeframe.
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When you consider in the price which United eventually paid for him(don't forget other club made a bigger bid for him), plus the fact that he was very good for Monaco and the impact he has made for us, it's not exactly a ridiculous statement to make.
 
GlastonSpur said:
No. Not least because Vardy has scored 17 goals in the Prem, combined from both last season and this one so far, which is less than Kane scored last season alone. And I don't know, but I'd also guess that a higher percentage of Vardy's goals have been pens.

As for Phillips, he scored a higher percentage of goals per game than Kane, but a great many of his goals were not in Prem. Without doing the maths I'd guess that Kane's Prem goals percentage is higher so far.
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You. Misunderstand, this is Glaston logic, more goals means better player, period.
 
I am probably the only one left, who isn't that keen on signing him. Think we can do with a more talented player, who'd also be cheaper.
 
KM said:
When you consider in the price which United eventually paid for him(don't forget other club made a bigger bid for him), plus the fact that he was very good for Monaco and the impact he has made for us, it's not exactly a ridiculous statement to make.
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The price paid is mostly irrelevant. If it were not so then Andy Carroll would be considered top drawer and Alli Dele (£5m) seen as rubbish.
 
Kane is more proven than Martial, who is still a largely unknown but extremely exciting quantity.

We have to go all out for Kane in the summer to replace Rooney. He can become the face of United for the next ten years.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Kane: 59 goals in 159 appearances: 37%
Martial: 20 goals in 82: 24%

So Kane so far has scored nearly 3 times as many goals, with a higher goals-per-game percentage. And that's just club goals - in stronger leagues. His international goals tally is also better.

The claim that Martial is better is just plain silly.
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How many times has Kane played out wide?
 
Kane will cost at the bare minimum £50m plus a ton of add ons. Potentially well worth it though.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Kane is more proven than Martial, who is still a largely unknown but extremely exciting quantity.

We have to go all out for Kane in the summer to replace Rooney. He can become the face of United for the next ten years.
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I honestly don't think Kane fancies it, there are plenty of other options out there.
 
GlastonSpur said:
As for Vardy, his goals-per-minutes ratio in the Prem is far worse than Kane's. So on what basis is he "better"?
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Callum Wilson's goals per game and goals per minute ratio is better than Kane's in PL. I guess we should all be focused on signing him instead.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Callum Wilson's goals per game and goals per minute ratio is better than Kane's in PL. I guess we should all be focused on signing him instead.
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Maybe you should if he does it over 1+ seasons in the Prem. But he won't.
 
KM said:
When you consider in the price which United eventually paid for him(don't forget other club made a bigger bid for him), plus the fact that he was very good for Monaco and the impact he has made for us, it's not exactly a ridiculous statement to make.
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Actually I think it is. I'll be kind and say that Ligue 1 is a good league (i'm lying, the quality is pretty poor), but he scored 15 goals in 70 apps for Monaco. Is that very good? I'd say its decent for an 19 year old but very good? He's got massive potential but saying he's more talented than Kane is ridiculous at this point in time. Kanes got 43 goals for Tottenham in 94 Apps, 30 goals in 57 PL Apps. That is superb, he's one of the best strikers in the PL at the age of 22.

Martial has just moved to United, it's way too early to say how good he is and at what level he can play consistently. I remember Januzaj was to become the next Ryan Giggs, he still can he's only 20 and players mature at different ages. Kane matured at a slightly older age, his first PL goal for Spurs came on the 7th April 2014 when he was 20 years old (he scored in 3 consecutive games). My point is that you really have no idea what level a players ability is when they've just moved to a new club, it's when they've settled down and half way through a season do you find out their true potential. Saying otherwise is simply being utterly naive, there have been far too many examples of players joining a club and being excellent only to then return to their normal form once the excitement has worn off. You also see the reverse when a player joins a club and struggles only to then become excellent once they've settled. Martials not even in double figures for appearances in the PL yet!

From what I've seen I do think Martial has the potential to be a terrific player for us, but it's all potential at this point. Lets come back to this subject once we're in March and re evaluate when Martials settled down and has played more games! Also if we're talking about Kanes potential then I think he could be one of the best strikers we've seen in the PL. Just look at Rooneys stats when he was 22/23, he was averaging 12 PL goals a season. Rooney's only scored more than 20 goals in the PL season twice! Kane did it in his first full PL season at Spurs.
 
Brwned said:
We'll be priced out of it but if LvG is still here next summer he'll be telling Woodward to go all out for him. Fits his style of play very well and offers a lot of things this team lacks.
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Doubt that can happen, but there'll be better options available for the price that will be quoted.
 
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