What is the thing you want to be considered?
Also the Westminster attack happened before the election was called
Incident on London Bridge
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Also the Westminster attack happened before the election was called
This has to be stopped, of course.
Careful there mate, you have to specifically state that the people responsible for tonight's incident are bad too otherwise some prick will suggest you're condoning their actions.
and a good example of that strategy is to sell them £200billion of weapons and arms to protect themselves. I'm sure that will really pressure the Al Sauds and send a big scary signal to those pesky Wahahbi priests.
I don't think you're being harsh at all. I think you are being either naive or very hypocritical.
This terrorism is accepted collateral damage for the war with ISIS in Syria and the status quo relationship required with Saudi Arabia. It has nothing to do with Islam, British Muslims or anything else.
The Governments since 9/11 have hoodwinked everyone and most still fall for it.
Meh, can't really agree with this. Even though not every Muslim is a terrorist obviously, many of them actually support these attacks, a large part of them even though they do not support said attacks, agree with the reasoning. I mean you do not have to be a terrorist to be a problem, closing your eyes is just as bad.
That's absolute fallacy. "White supremacists"? Where? And what do white supremacists have to do with Christianity? They're main trait is in their racism towards other races, not the fact that they're Christians.
What the feck are you talking about? You think the Middle East can take on the West?
No, I have not. Show me something in the past years that Christians have done in the name of Christianity.
But you called them stupid a minute ago? I think you need to take a minute out because you're not thinking things through and are responding emotionally. It's understandable, something really shit and rage inducing just happened, but you're all over the place here.
Most of these attacks have been done by people born in the country. Cancelling their passports won't achieve anything.
Why the feck are the refugees getting the blame for these things? Its stupid.
Easy to solve though isnt it? UK and US should stop selling weapons and befriending the Saudi's and tackle them on these issues. Obviously never going to happen because they provide £££ to our great economies
whay havent they been already? Immediately after 7/7????
Almost everything I said was pure fantasy and nothing of what I wanted will happen anytime soon, if ever. But that's the only solution.
True.
Some reports of controlled detonations going on.
They get their ides from somewhere, finding out where the ideas are coming from is the first step to a solution. It's the people who are giving the people who are comiting these atrocities the ideas to do so who are the root of the problem. Hitler didn't kill all the people who where killed in the holocaust single handedly but it was his words and orders who killed them.
Controlled explosions on London bridge.
In fairness you don't have to be religious to be anti abortion
Anti-abortion violence is almost always in the name of Christ, that's the point.
Are we really going to go down that route? Do you know that they still stone women in the Middle East if they don't act "right" enough? Do you know that "honor killing" in Muslim countries is a thing and is perfectly normal? The fact that women aren't allowed many basic freedoms and that they could be raped and still be found guilty? I mean I can go on and on, but I think you get the picture.
Ay, you're bang on. And the UK should be held accountable. Amber Rudd as good as stated we need the Saudis for the health of the economy as recently as this week.
Wow. Yet another thread that is supposed to give information on an atrocity, descends into a religious debate
Re the bolded, it has, though. Hitler was a Christian. His own private views were largely conflicting and it's likely he used this as more of a rhetoric than anything else, but in the most basic sense of the word he came from a Christian background. Similarly, plenty will argue that perpetrators of Islamic terrorism are using their views as a religious front. Christians in the US systematically oppressed ethnic minorities for generations and were lynching/oppressing them barely over half a century ago. Breivik was a far-right Christian. The church have systemically committed abuse, often at a high level, and have often used their religious views to protect their own status/position. Again, the actual religiosity of such figures is often tenuous at best...but then the same can be said for many of the "lone wolf" attackers who have often been distant from the religion and find themselves drawn back to it as they become radicalised.
That's obviously naturally very different to the current problem we face, and the issue within Britain right now - although even here we saw an MP murdered by a far-right terrorist last year.
Again, I'm happily willing to condemn elements of Islam. While I think most of the comments highlighting good, positive passages in Islamic scripture are well-natured, I also think that if we're going to highlight such passages we also need to be equally willing to examine the negative scripture within the religion that can influence terrorists.
On the integration problem, again - I'll agree with the problem, but I think you're partly generalising. They refers to a large group of the British population and essentially groups them into one stereotype; again, it may apply to certain portions of the Muslim population, but even the religions harshest critic would also surely acknowledge that tons have been willing to integrate. And while there should be an expectation on those who come to Western nations to adapt to the countries they're entering, we're equally not helping on our side if we're going to group them into one convenient mass stereotype.
I'm not responding emotionally mate. There are those who just want to spread hate, they know what they are doing. They can say they're doing it in the name of x or y, but what I'm saying is that is their own simplistic justification. There is no justification- hence their stupidity.
I know, usually takes about 20 pages and rednev for it to start in earnest.
Funny that people can easily tell the difference between the KKK and Christians but can't tell the difference between terrorists and Muslims.
In the 70's and 80's the main terrorist attacks in the UK were to do with a sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland with Christian religious dogma playing no small part. Despite this to suggest that most Irish people supported terrorists and that Irish migration was a problem would have been idiotic.
Planned Parenthood attacks in the US are carried out by the religious right.
But they're white Christians so they're called mentally ill.
"Last 200 years of Christianity doesn't warrant special attention" 
Let's see... Hitler, and yes he stated a few times he felt he was doing the Lord's work by exterminating the Jews amongst others.
There's the countless Catholic church coverups especially sexual abuse.
Kony and the LRA. There's also the KKK, Neo Nazis, and whacko right-wing nutters in the US and other parts of the world.
Christian terrorism may not be as prevalent as Islamic terrorism these days but to dismiss its history altogether is nonsense.
Let's see... Hitler, and yes he stated a few times he felt he was doing the Lord's work by exterminating the Jews amongst others.
There's the countless Catholic church coverups especially sexual abuse.
Kony and the LRA. There's also the KKK, Neo Nazis, and whacko right-wing nutters in the US and other parts of the world.
Christian terrorism may not be as prevalent as Islamic terrorism these days but to dismiss its history altogether is nonsense.
Pictures of suspects on BBC news now. Man lying on the floor been shot with canisters strapped around his abdomen.
Yes. It's a shit religion and I'm not defending it. I'm just pointing out you're wrong about the others not being shit too.
You don't?
This is getting depressing. Lost for words!
The only thing about this which is shocking is you being shocked.
Feck, I forgot where I was for a minute. I should really know better by now.
Many of your posts seem to be ill informed, but ill draw your attention to the "honor killings". These have nothing to do with religion but are actually based on cultural beliefs particularly in Asia, hence you will see many honor killings in countries like India, which if youre not sure, isnt a muslim country. I understand you have views and opinions on certain matters, but alot of what youre saying isnt the reality
Just seen those. Well done to the officers for such a swift resolution there.
Unofficial reports of at least 7 fatalities now too 
Photo of a guy on the ground with 2 canisters strapped to him.
Still waiting to hear from my sister who was in the area this evening. I'm on all sites, twitter all sorts.
I don't like abortion and am not in the slightest bit religious