Is Pochettino's time at Spurs coming to an end?

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Imagine getting Pochetino as coach and acquiring the following four players Tonali (DM), Sancho (RW), Maddison (AM) and Werner (CF). What a team we could put up then...
Not even as good as the Spurs team Poch has had.
 
It's weird how a fan of Chelsea, who are below us in the league and off to a worse start in the CL (Valencia at home :lol:) are giving it large.

We've been a disgrace this season and we're still doing better than you, because at least our cup disaster came in the league cup. Lampard's probably going out in the groups and finishing 7th, but you lot will still applaud because it's Franky.
Valencia > Colchester though pal :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: fecking colchester. COLCHESTER

Yes you are still doing much better than us being level on pts in the league in a season where we are integrating youth. But even worse, imagine giving it the big un about league positions at the end of September ffs... Ok fair enough you have 1 point more than us in the CL because if you remember you threw away that 2 goal lead v Olympiakos? But fecking Colchester... take some doing for anyone to top that fecking shit show - league 2 giants like...
 
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Valencia > Colchester though pal :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: fecking colchester. COLCHESTER

Yes you are still doing much better than us being level on pts in the league in a season where we are integrating youth. But even worse, imagine giving it the big un about league positions at the end of September ffs... Ok fair enough you have 1 point more than us in the CL because if you remember you threw away that 2 goal lead v Olympiakos? But fecking Colchester... take some doing for anyone to top that fecking shit show

Outrageous indeed. I remember discovering Colchester when the Fifa series started licencing LeagueOne/Two leagues.
 
Valencia > Colchester though pal :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: fecking colchester. COLCHESTER

Yes you are still doing much better than us being level on pts in the league in a season where we are integrating youth. But even worse, imagine giving it the big un about league positions at the end of September ffs... Ok fair enough you have 1 point more than us in the CL because if you remember you threw away that 2 goal lead v Olympiakos? But fecking Colchester... take some doing for anyone to top that fecking shit show

We're having a season where the fans are debating whether the manager should go because we're doing shit. Nobody is giving it 'the big un', it's just kind of rich to have a Chelsea fan laughing at a bad league cup exit when you're doing worse in both the actually important competitions. I can take shit from fans of clubs who aren't still pretending to be pleased with the season despite actually managing to be worse off than us, who are doing terribly.

And no it won't. You chucked a 2 goal lead away to Sheffield at home and you lost to Valencia at home after two of your players couldn't decide who wanted to take the penalty. I'd rather have a bad league cup exit than drop points in the league or the CL, any day of the week.
 
We're having a season where the fans are debating whether the manager should go because we're doing shit. Nobody is giving it 'the big un', it's just kind of rich to have a Chelsea fan laughing at a bad league cup exit when you're doing worse in both the actually important competitions. I can take shit from fans of clubs who aren't still pretending to be pleased with the season despite actually managing to be worse off than us, who are doing terribly.

And no it won't. You chucked a 2 goal lead away to Sheffield at home and you lost to Valencia at home after two of your players couldn't decide who wanted to take the penalty. I'd rather have a bad league cup exit than drop points in the league or the CL, any day of the week.
You have lost me at the bit where we are doing worse in the league... i mean P6 W2 D2 L2 for both sides... so its kinda not worse is it? But whatever floats your boat.
 
You have lost me at the bit where we are doing worse in the league... i mean P6 W2 D2 L2 for both sides... so its kinda not worse is it? But whatever floats your boat.

It kinda is worse because goal difference exists and in the past has decided titles.

Either way, it doesn't make much difference .. just as badly or worse, we're both having shite seasons. But I'd honestly rather go out of the league cup than have our CL progress in serious jeopardy after a home loss to Valencia.
 
Jury is still out on Ole. Cesc the problem is that he's been given three fifths of feck all to work with.. even the big three would have struggled to get a result on the weekend (look at Poch's current form with a much better team).

What has been evident since Ole's appointment is that he's got a key understanding of the players that need to be retained and those that don't. That's half the battle tbh. He has an idea of the style of football he wants to play so its then up to his coaches to implement methods to have the players play that style Its not working at the moment, but then again, he may not have those players available.

He'll be given atleast another 2 transfer windows to bring in more players and then he'll more than likely be judged after that. He's been rather successful so far with his purchases so he's earned some credit there.

Is Poch currently a better manager? Overwhelmingly yes, but LVG and Mourinho were superior to him at the time of their appointments and neither of those panned out so well. We also know that alot of good managers have gone to big clubs and wilted under the pressure of expectation. Poch is the underdog at Spurs. He's not expected to win trophies and top four is a good season. I'll reserve my opinion on whether we've made a mistake with Ole, but I cant judge him yet. I've seen unbelievably good and horrendously bad, but I saw worse with Mourinho...

He's definitely inherited a bit of a mess. But I disagrees that he's had nothing to work with - DDG, AWB, Maguire, Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, James, and Martial are all players that should be forming the core of a strong squad.

United spent record amounts on AWB and Maguire, and in that they've signed two key players that filled a need and will be around for years to come.

The obvious problem is that there are too many average to rubbish players that fill up the rest of the squad, and they've become stale and uninspired. United needed someone to come in and be ruthless like (thank jeebus) Raul did with us, which was long overdue.

Your issues have been compounded by selling Lukaku and not replacing him with anyone. IMO even though he wasn't amazing he was still a proven goal scorer and it's plain as day that United need one ATM. Whose idea was it to sell him without a replacement lined up? I can't imagine that Ole was happy with that.
 
It is hard to maintain the motivation and focus of your players year after year when you are a club in Spurs' position.

At a midtable club, nobody has any illusions about winning the league or doing exceptional things. Its just about getting the players to be professionals, have some pride, and also to play hard for their own career reasons.

At a club that is truly in contention for the title or has been recently, you can get the best effort out of players by appealing to their competitive instincts. Winning big trophies is what they've dreamed of all their lives. Now go get it!

But at a club like Spurs, it is hard. You can achieve very impressive things by convincing your players that they have a shot to be a title contender and realize their dreams as long as they commit themselves to the cause. And this is what Poch managed to do for a few years: I think he had his players truly believing that they could win the league and beat anyone if they played their kind of football. But when evidence starts to pile up that its just not going to happen, and when some of the leading players make it obvious to everybody else in the dressing room that they don't believe in this dream anymore and are looking to leave, its really hard to keep everybody giving 100% every match and maintaining focus. This is a problem that Arsenal fans obviously know well. How do you keep top players that want to be the best and win everything truly committed and focused when everybody knows they're not really title contenders and that its very very likely that the "top four trophy" is all they'll end up with at the end of the year?
Agreed. The manager and the players have gone as far as they can.

This ship has run its course. Let Pochettino, Eriksen, Vertonghen, and Alderweireld (and all the deadwood) go, and start over.

There is still a strong core for a manager to hit the ground running with, a fully motivated and fit Kane, Son, and Alli is as good as you can get, really. Ndombele and Lo Celso were big money moves in midfield so you'd hope they'd come good, and then fix up the back four.
 
I have a strong feeling Mourinho will replace Poch at Spurs.

Its no secret Levy has tried to get Jose before and if rumours are to believed has asked Jose for advice in the past. Having said that I can not see a worse match than Jose as he constantly moans about cash and transfers. Unless he has taken a massive change of his football philosophy there is no way Jose would manage us.
 
Its no secret Levy has tried to get Jose before and if rumours are to believed has asked Jose for advice in the past. Having said that I can not see a worse match than Jose as he constantly moans about cash and transfers. Unless he has taken a massive change of his football philosophy there is no way Jose would manage us.

No disrespect intended but I think he would rather bide his time in the hope of getting Madrid again.
 
No disrespect intended but I think he would rather bide his time in the hope of getting Madrid again.

None taken I can see why he would wand that too. Like I said if he wanted a "project" instead of a cheque book he may be interested, but at his time of life I doubt it.
 
Personally I'm warming to the idea of Allegri.
If I were a Spurs-supporter I would be careful not to make the same mistake as we have done: Go for a manager with a different perspective on football; or dare I use the word "philosophy".
Allegri would be a definite change, Mourinho even more (and I dont think its that unlikely, well actually its unlikely but not so much that some Glastons on here seem to think).
Ten Hag or even an Eddie Howe would be proper choices.
Cheaper also. Or take a real punt at Graham Potter.
To be fair I am starting to like either of those names for us soon....
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Not fecking Mourinho again though.
 
Levy took their position for granted by not investing all those summers ago. It even sends the wrong message to the players that the club is satisfied with its standing. Instead of refereshing the team the money being spent is just now covering holes in the squad
 
Very rarely do you see a leaving manager taking players with him, its not like he owns them. Alli has apparently been playing with an injury, but no real evidence to support it, also Poch would pick him if he had score a hat trick of own goals in his previous match.
Poch has also mentioned having to talk to Alli about what he does off the pitch in relation to his fitness.

He strikes me as one of those very many precocious talents who lets the early hype go to his head and then settles for enjoying the trappings of being a rich and famous young man at the expense of his football. I feel that unless he changes course dramatically and soon, he'll have missed the window to ever meet his world class potential.
 
The fact that Levy feels the need to explicitly come out and put a value on Kane that functionally takes him off the market is just the latest signal of a club in crisis.

It's hard to feel too sorry for a guy earning upwards of £200k/week, even if he is my favourite player, but it sucks that Kane's going to be held hostage. I don't think he's desperate to move immediately but he's contracted for the rest of his probable peak.

He clearly wants to win something in his career and he deserves it. I can't picture him being genuinely happy at Spurs once they drop out of the CL consistently but I also can't imagine him downing tools to get out. If he was almost anyone else with the same level of talent, he would've been gone already so Levy shouldn't have any right to feel hard done by.
 
I have a strong feeling Mourinho will replace Poch at Spurs.
On Spurs budget? :lol: :lol: Mourinho would be found out even more. He is the type of manager that needs money to truly shine. Unless Pochettino takes Kane with him and Spurs manage to get close to £200m for him, then Mourinho will be an awful choice.
 
On Spurs budget? :lol: :lol: Mourinho would be found out even more. He is the type of manager that needs money to truly shine. Unless Pochettino takes Kane with him and Spurs manage to get close to £200m for him, then Mourinho will be an awful choice.

I think you couldn't be more wrong

Jose purchase since porto

Porto
20 mill spent 38 players purchased

Phelsea 2004 to 2007
28 players purchased 335 mill

Inter 2008 to 2010
13 players purchased 140 mill

Real Madrid 2010 to 2013
13 players purchased 168 mill

Chelsea 2013 to 2015
23 players purchased 318 mill, 7 were youngsters aged 18 to 19
Highest purchase Costa 35 mill

Man utd 2016 to 2018
10 players purchased 420 mill
Highest purchase POgba for 94.5 mill, followed by Lukaku for 76.23 mill.

These numbers dont include players sold
 
I think you couldn't be more wrong

Jose purchase since porto

Porto
20 mill spent 38 players purchased

Phelsea 2004 to 2007
28 players purchased 335 mill

Inter 2008 to 2010
13 players purchased 140 mill

Real Madrid 2010 to 2013
13 players purchased 168 mill

Chelsea 2013 to 2015
23 players purchased 318 mill, 7 were youngsters aged 18 to 19
Highest purchase Costa 35 mill

Man utd 2016 to 2018
10 players purchased 420 mill
Highest purchase POgba for 94.5 mill, followed by Lukaku for 76.23 mill.

These numbers dont include players sold
Are you judging those numbers by today's standard? He's spent loads at big teams.
 
If I were a Spurs-supporter I would be careful not to make the same mistake as we have done: Go for a manager with a different perspective on football; or dare I use the word "philosophy".
Allegri would be a definite change, Mourinho even more (and I dont think its that unlikely, well actually its unlikely but not so much that some Glastons on here seem to think).
Ten Hag or even an Eddie Howe would be proper choices.
Cheaper also. Or take a real punt at Graham Potter.
To be fair I am starting to like either of those names for us soon....
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Not fecking Mourinho again though.
Would allegri really be much of a difference? He's more defensive, but not radically so. Poch is already an overall defensive manager.
 
Are you judging those numbers by today's standard? He's spent loads at big teams.

All data from transfermarkt

In 04/05 :
Total PL spend was €505.8m
Chelsea spent : €166.4m (32.8%)
Arsenal spent : €12.5m (2.5%)
Man Utd spent : €61.2m (12.1%)
Liverpool spent : €58.4 m (11.5%)

In 05/06 :
Total PL spend was €501m
Chelsea spent : €91.5m (18.3%)
Arsenal spent : €46m (9.1%)
Man Utd spent : €31.8m (6.3%)
Liverpool spent : €46.0 m (9.2%)

In 06/07 :
Total PL spend was €541m
Chelsea spent : €88.9m (16.4%)
Arsenal spent : €15m (2.7%)
Man Utd spent : €27.2m (5%)
Liverpool spent : €46m (8.5%)

In 07/08 :
Total PL spend was €936m (Man City got their first billionaire owner)
Chelsea spent : 59m (6%)
Arsenal spent : 30.1m (3.2%)
Man Utd spent : 104m (11%)
Liverpool spent : 90.7m (9.7%)
Made this post last week. If anyone thinks Guardiolas spending is insane, they should go back to when Chelsea were outspending their rivals by 2-3x.
 
Made this post last week. If anyone thinks Guardiolas spending is insane, they should go back to when Chelsea were outspending their rivals by 2-3x.

Even his Madrid numbers are skewed as they did all the big signings season before he joined. Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema, Alonso were all signed for huge money just a season before. So he didn't have to spend much.
 
Even his Madrid numbers are skewed as they did all the big signings season before he joined. Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema, Alonso were all signed for huge money just a season before. So he didn't have to spend much.
Same can be said about Pep at City, they signed the likes of KDB, Sterling before him.
 
Same can be said about Pep at City, they signed the likes of KDB, Sterling before him.

It can be said for every manager.
 
On Spurs budget? :lol: :lol: Mourinho would be found out even more. He is the type of manager that needs money to truly shine. Unless Pochettino takes Kane with him and Spurs manage to get close to £200m for him, then Mourinho will be an awful choice.

Aye, he will pack him up in his suitcase :lol:.
 
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