The scenes coming out of Gaza are heartbreaking.
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Who said that Israel was the only country with extremists. What kind of question is that?
Well if your aunt says so, it's settled.
Well if your first question is real then I believe you don't know what Israel is supposed to do.
Hamas is not a Nation.
Maybe learn a bit more before talking as much.
You will need to be because it is a figment of a twisted imagination. And pure bullshite.
Find me a text book that taught kids to be a racist in class.
Maybe. Racism is just a myth
I'll wait
Who said it was my aunt. Yet more jumping to conclusions.
Really? I am completely and utterly surprised.
And you are all making a nonsensical argument. When people here say children in Israel are "taught to hate" they are not talking about taking HATERS 101 in the 2nd grade, so your school teacher relative or friend's knowledge of the curriculum is not relevant.
Now let's see what some people make of that.
My view is that he is quite correct. Mistakes that need not be repeated, but probably will be.
Ignorant response based on zero knowledge. One of many.
What a scumbag. Next time he proclaims his pride at being Irish he should know that Ireland wants no association with him or his actions.
I've kept out of this thread for a few reasons, and I don't exactly have anything to add that hasn't been posted multiple times except for this.
I am sick and tired of people spending more time on finding out WHO bombed a hospital full of civilians so they can suit their narrative, instead of being fecking horrified and heartbroken for the innocent people who perished in one of the most inhumane and torturous ways imaginable.
The mainstream media, the establishment, and the western narrative are absolutely delighted that its looking like it could be potentially an errant rocket, as if it absolves Israel of previous war crimes.
Those of us on the left, on the other hand have battled against IDF propaganda, yet some were fecking salivating at the thought of having something else to be righteously angry about.
I've read some truly horrific stuff online by supposed irish leftists, and its really disheartened me.
Of course it matters who bombed the hospital, but it shouldn't change our utter heartbreak at the loss of human life.
I am sick and tired of people spending more time on finding out WHO bombed a hospital full of civilians so they can suit their narrative, instead of being fecking horrified and heartbroken for the innocent people who perished in one of the most inhumane and torturous ways imaginable.
The mainstream media, the establishment, and the western narrative are absolutely delighted that its looking like it could be potentially an errant rocket, as if it absolves Israel of previous war crimes.
Those of us on the left, on the other hand have battled against IDF propaganda, yet some were fecking salivating at the thought of having something else to be righteously angry about.
I've read some truly horrific stuff online by supposed irish leftists, and its really disheartened me.
Of course it matters who bombed the hospital, but it shouldn't change our utter heartbreak at the loss of human life.
Why?
Everyone is heartbroken I imagine. And those saying it doesn't matter are not saying it literally, just in tens of the death and the overall big picture. Like none of the horrific incidents in the past gaf any real bearing on the trajectory of this conflict or the pervading narrative. And that incidents like this are part of a conflict like this.
Ahh, so they're now protected for all their terrorist acts because they're not a nation, despite being elected representatives of a group of people that you would say deserve their own state. Obviously I know Hamas is not a nation....
This is the appropriate sentiment to have imo. Although, we also have to remember that there is an information war taking place on social media where both sides are clamoring for righteousness. The stakes are therefore obviously high in that protests across the regions would spread quickly if the Israelis were behind the hospital attack and would be somewhat more muted if a Palestinian faction was behind it. Same applies to the beheaded babies story from a week ago, and several other flashpoints.
They're certainly not protected from anything.
they have those in America
According to polling from 2021 on Israelis aged 16-18, 24% of secular, 42% of religious, and 66% of ultra-Orthodox youth expressed "hatred toward Arabs" and "support for stripping them of their citizenship." The population sizes are around 40-45-15 per this article from 2017. So all together you have 'hatred toward Arabs' in an enormous amount of Israeli youth.
If you want to tell yourself that these are just attitudes among settlers who represent nobody, you can. But it's simply not true.
Maybe for some people it feels comforting to go back to a quote from 1970 to boost their moral position. But we are in 2023. Decades have gone by. Things have changed.
If you want to tell yourself that these are just attitudes among settlers who represent nobody, you can. But it's simply not true.
Maybe for some people it feels comforting to go back to a quote from 1970 to boost their moral position. But we are in 2023. Decades have gone by. Things have changed.
For the specific numbers I did some light searching yes. Those 5 countries (the 5 major victors of WW2, as they self defined at the time*) are the only one with a veto ever since the inception of the UN, as part of the security council (the highest committee in the institution). Israel has always been the thorniest issue for the last few decades because the US, ever since adopting it as a staunch ally, can block at will any strong UN intervention despite the existence of previous UN resolutions supposedly fixing a compromise border.
* As mentioned originally it was the Republic of China but for obvious reasons the ROC didn't have any leverage to claim to be the sole representative of China by 1971.
I'm still just waiting for an actual constructive answer to what Israel is supposed to do in the face of such terrorism and stated goals of eradicating their people. It's a crap situation. I don't have one either.
Winning an election (without a majority) when fully half of Gaza's population was not yet born does not make them their "elected representatives". That's absurd, and clearly just an attempt to connect the Palestinian people with Hamas to such a degree where any violence against them is not worth remarking on.
I know a tweet with some of this was posted earlier, but here's the full Piers Morgan / Bassem Youssef exchange...
The reason is quite simple if you look at what is going on there. The world does send aid money to them regularly. None of the money received ever ends up with the people that need it the most and it more than often gets spent on rockets, weaponry and tunnel infrastructure. That isn't on Israel or any other government, that is solely on Hamas.
What to do might be a tough one - not bombing the shit out of a civilian population is what not to do though.
I don't disagree. Problem is that won't stop the other side from doing the same. Easy to say they shouldn't retaliate when we're not the ones subject to terrorist attacks. Like I said, it's a crap situation and the Palestinians are in a terrible spot. You would think neighboring countries would help them, but it furthers their aims for Palestinians to be sacrificed for the cause.
I believe that those in leadership of the grunts would most certainly have said plans on them. Apparently each cell was independent from one another, some rocket surgeon leader could have outfitted all his men with them.
And you know this how exactly? Hamas' arms and rockets come from Iran. They're not selling it to them considering they're using Hamas a proxy. So what makes you so sure that the aid the Palestinians are receiving aren't going to the people in need, and that they aren't already relying on it?
"Not bombing the shit out of a civilian population" is not the same as "not retaliating."
Scumbag?
Raining hellfire down on a densely populated city with no where for the inhabitants to run or hide isn't retaliation, and its cold-blooded revenge. Members of the IDF have flat out clarified that too.
This isn't about stopping Hamas. If that were the case the hardliners in Israel wouldn't be looking to bolster them, nor would they carry on with the status quo of building settlements, exercising apartheid in the west bank and generally oppressing the Palestinians, knowing full well these all lead to radicalisation and throwing Palestinians straight into the arms of militants.
Who is protecting them?
SCUMBAG
I'll give you the first one in wisconsin, that's vile. None of the others fit, the same way it would be incorrect to claim that all israelis want the extermination of palestinians based on what Ben Gvir or a number of other ministers/MPs have said. Also none of them are about the extermination of jews, some are anti-Israel but none of them are anti jewish.
Now regarding students, half of Gaza schools aren't led by Hamas and none of the West Bank are, it's a stretch if not a lie to suggest that palestinian kids are taught what Hamas may want.