It's honestly not.
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Create it on your own land.
Not going too well for Israel it seems.
More violence is inevitable either way.
What this may do is bring some comfort to the citizens of the Israeli towns who were attacked across the border and refuse to come back, fearing for their safety.
Well, we tried a wall. It didn't work, because we have a murderous terrorist group across the border.
If they surrended their weapons and bring Hamas down, sure.
We wouldn't have needed it had Hamas not attacked and butchered citizens. It's their problem.
But they didn't cut their breasts to play football with it. It's all cool
Hamas were just creating a security zone after Israeli forces massacred hundreds of unarmed Palestinians near the border during a protest.
Ami is lost, I can only imagine how insane the propaganda must be in israel right now.
I mean apartheid walls in the West Bank are hardly the same as borders.
If you take away the high tech weaponry, looks like the terrorist army is made up of dumb officers and even dumber grunts.
Well, they know their own government better than us - Hostage lives don't matter, land grabbing is all that does.
Well if you're imposing conditions on them rebuilding on the land then guess what you're controlling it, stealing it, occupying it.
Also given what's being done to them in Gaza and the west bank why the hell would they give up their weapons? It's not very logical and it's also counter to Israels own rationale of revenge.
These are the people they are sending into battle
It's quite strong.
And I work for the one critical media outlet (Haaretz) against the propaganda and the war.
It's a shame that people here can't accept the slight possibility that reading Twitter doesn't mean they know everything about the situation here.
Do you think borders would stop Hamas from killing Israelis?
We should listen to you, instead. The wise sage who said that Israel couldn't have bombed a hospital because it wasn't in its interests to do so.
I'm saying borders provide better security. Firstly from a logistic perspective, you're not scattering checkpoints everywhere, and can militarise the feck out of them for all you want. And also from a de-radicalisation stance, Palestinians would have less to feel incensed about if they had their own national autonomy and a nation to call their own. Subjugation clearly doesn't work from a security perspective, so the choice is either go full on genocide/ethnic cleansing or take a chance at peace by giving them a nation and then police your borders as heavy-handedly as you want. Personally I find the latter option far more palatable and humanitarian.
This whole proposed 'security buffer zone' that only clams the Palestinians into further dense pockets isn't going to make Israel any safer, nor is this bloody onslaught which has only created thousands of future Hamas members.
That's how propaganda works, you don't notice you're being a victim of it. Going by your posts here, I have bad news for you mate...
Going by the posts here, I have bad news for you and other posters, mate.
Plenty of the criticism against Israel is correct. But some is just based on people misunderstanding things - or looking for things to reinforce what they already think.
I agree the buffer zone is not much of a solution. But it's the best we have right now short term as we try to allow the citizens in the south of Israel return to their homes with some peace of mind.
Nope. You should listen to Twitter who said that Israel bombed that hospital that night and killed 500 people. That was credible.
A wise person listen and judges all sides.
You've fallen for the propaganda, there's no point going in circles.
The countries that say Israel is NOT committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza:
Germany: Responsible for the 20th century’s first genocide in Namibia, the Holocaust and Nazi atrocities
UK: Responsible for imperial crimes all over the world including catastrophic famines in India, bloody crackdown against the Mau Mau uprising and the Amritsar Massacre
France: Responsible for the torture of many African nations and their people via colonialism, the blood of 1.5 million Algerians who gave their lives for Algeria’s independence
USA: Responsible for almost wiping out the Native American population, and countless hellish wars against the global south including Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Korea
Global south countries, which were victims of US and European imperialism, side with South Africa in taking Israel to the ICJ and charging it with genocide against the Palestinian people.
History’s most genocidal countries are denying genocide in Gaza, while their victims are raising the alarm.
Germany: Responsible for the 20th century’s first genocide in Namibia, the Holocaust and Nazi atrocities
UK: Responsible for imperial crimes all over the world including catastrophic famines in India, bloody crackdown against the Mau Mau uprising and the Amritsar Massacre
France: Responsible for the torture of many African nations and their people via colonialism, the blood of 1.5 million Algerians who gave their lives for Algeria’s independence
USA: Responsible for almost wiping out the Native American population, and countless hellish wars against the global south including Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Korea
Global south countries, which were victims of US and European imperialism, side with South Africa in taking Israel to the ICJ and charging it with genocide against the Palestinian people.
History’s most genocidal countries are denying genocide in Gaza, while their victims are raising the alarm.
Murdering children and attacking hospitals are their specialties.
These are all cheap shots. Non-Western countries have violent histories of their own and some have shown to be just as selective and hypocritical as the West.
They're on the right side on support for Palestinians. But so was the West in helping to kick Saddam out of Kuweit for example.
Maybe but they deserve it.
Wasnt it the west who propped up Saddam in the first place to fight their proxies against Iran?
Saddam got support during the war against Iran, yes. Kicking him out of Kuweit was still a good thing. If not for American military might, who else was gonna provide the main muscle?
And wasn't it the American who messed with Iranian leaders that they got ousted and replaced with the hardliners?
The IDF is a very strange army. They have insane
rank inflation where it seems almost every one is
some type of sergeant.
The recents 21 deaths is a bizarre story. Sounds like bad video game design
