James Milner is top 4 material.

Man-United said:
What has happened to him? Excellent at Villa and interest from the bigger clubs, but he's been awful at city according to what I've read from their fans who seem to want him out after just 9 months..
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Well from being played centrally at the Vile and actually looking a half-decent player, he's being deployed on the wing where he is despicably average. Milner should be used as a midfielder, nothing else.
 
Problem is, Milner is being played out wide when he actually was making his best performances in the centre of MF.

Mancini bought him for... I don't know, probably in a three man MF ? I mean he does have the talent but TBF, Mancini's defensive mind in MF makes Milner irrelevant there and was forced wide where he hasn't put in spectacular shifts whenever I see him play.

I'd blame it on Mancini more, he doesn't know Milner's best positition so he isn't bring the best out of him.

Anyhow... Which player has actually improved under Mancini apart from Yaya and Tevez ?
 
If I was a bitter, I'd be calling for Mancini's head.
 
His football is dreadful, how many defensive mids does a team need.. been hit and miss with his signings. Just not a fan of him, he's done ok.. but with him at the helm, I can't see them winning the Prem in the near future put it that way. He needs to loosen up.. likes of Barry/Viera, have no right to feature in a side looking to topple ourselves, Arsenal etc.
 
I'm with Raees, you don't spend shit loads on attackers and bench them, not to mention fire your best attacking player to Cardiff, while playing Viera who has passed it, Barry who is rather average.

They should focus on play makers and for me, Yaya isn't even at his best when attacking.

Only 1 DM would be enough, Yaya has it in his tank to be box-to-box and they just need some one to feed Dzeko and better wingers.
 
Raees said:
His football is dreadful, how many defensive mids does a team need.. been hit and miss with his signings. Just not a fan of him, he's done ok.. but with him at the helm, I can't see them winning the Prem in the near future put it that way. He needs to loosen up.. likes of Barry/Viera, have no right to feature in a side looking to topple ourselves, Arsenal etc.
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pretty much agree with that, he needs to stop with Yaya as the most forward of his middle men, drop Barry, play Yaya with De Jong and let a footballer play in the middle of the park because as good and as high as i rate De Jong and Toure i don't see either of them as particularly good footballs (a modric, scholes, xavi type) who can control the action and provide the attacking talent with the service they need.

With Kolorov at left back and Zabaleta (when he's back) at right back they can afford to have 3 middle workers but if they use Richards or Boateng in the full back positions then it becomes very difficult for them to attack with any purpose.

I've defended Mancini, he's not doing a BAD job but with the resources, even the players and squad they have i'd expect better, i'd expect them to not just over power teams at times, i'd expect them to out play them.

But it's been that sort of season, Arsenal looked the best but they are weak mentaly, United have been below par but have the strongest character and look the most likely now. Cheslea have the squad and actually can turn it on but they've had a very bad patch and are playing catch up so it's hard for them.
 
Red_Jamie said:
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I still haven't seen anything different from Silva than when he was at Valencia, has class touches but doesn't actually do anything and is a defensive liability.

Milner is defensively very, very good, is effective if not brilliant going forward and all in all that is the ingredients for a very good midfielder.
 
They need a winger. Silva is great, but after that they got Johnson, who I rate but maybe not first 11 material every game yet, Milner and SWP.
 
Fiskey said:
Imo still would get a lot of games for any side in the world, 40+ out of a 60 game season.
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He's a dispensable squad player at City so I'd say current evidence suggest otherwise.

Unless half of these 40+ games were off the bench, which makes the claim a lot less impressive. But then that's not what you were saying before, you were saying he'd get in ahead of Carrick, Giggs and Valencia.
 
Milner & SWP.. feckwits, need to go too.

This Citeh Midfield would be.. up there with any in the premiership. Who needs a playmaking central midfielder when they have Toure and Silva, fantastic ball carriers with a good eye for a pass.

De Jong Toure
D.Silva​

The front trio is a tad more problematic, I'd like to see A.Johnson on the right, Tevez through the centre but they're missing a genuine left-wing talent.
 
Brwned said:
He's a dispensable squad player at City so I'd say current evidence suggest otherwise.

Unless half of these 40+ games were off the bench, which makes the claim a lot less impressive. But then that's not what you were saying before, you were saying he'd get in ahead of Carrick, Giggs and Valencia.
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Did I say he would get in ahead of Valencia? Can't remember that, if so I would be mistaken but I think if he was in our squad he would start more games than Carrick and Giggs.
 
He's obviously a quality player being misused. He would fit our squad very well and I think he would be extremely effective in the Premiership.
 
Jeez if Milner's not a top 4 player, then Barry should be playing Championship.

I hate him. Awful. Sorry to digress but it's a passion of hatred.

Milner, still rate him. I don't like how Mancini sets up at all with the 3 defensive midfielders. I think De Jong, Toure and Milner would be a good three.
 
He would be an interesting alternative to Fletcher at times. He can move wide, he has a similar engine, and spreads the ball quite well.
 
Fiskey said:
Imo still would get a lot of games for any side in the world, 40+ out of a 60 game season.
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James Milner would walk into Barcelona, and get 40+ out of 60 games?

That's ridiculous.
 
Hectic said:
James Milner would walk into Barcelona, and get 40+ out of 60 games?

That's ridiculous.
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I think he probably would, its dealing in hypotheticals but with his ability to play wide and in the middle it would give them a greater opportunity to rest some players which I think would be taken advantage of. Would struggle to get in their first choice line up although it is possible he would replace Pedro in difficult away games but I could see him getting 40+ games there.
 
Overrated like so many others!

Wingers in recent memory that have been hyped and never lived up to it: Shaun Wright-Phillips, James Milner, Stuart Downing, Jermaine Pennant, Aaron Lennon, Ashley Young, Joe Cole and Kieran Richardson

All of them have found homes and have done ok but never excelled.

Coming soon?:
Adam Johnson?
Gareth Bale?
Theo Walcott?

Most English/British players are overrated and over hyped. It's especially bad with wingers. Only Beckham has really done anything on the big stage consistently (Cole had a few ok years but has never been consistent).


Edit: Didn't feel the need to mention Giggs... Legend!
 
Beckham and Giggs, best british wideplayers over the last 20 years. Well said Mustaine, I don't think its a coincidence that Fergie a reknowned master at signing/developing wide players hasn't really looked towards the domestic market for signing players to replace the aforementioned duo.
 
mustaine said:
Overrated like so many others!

Wingers in recent memory that have been hyped and never lived up to it: Shaun Wright-Phillips, James Milner, Stuart Downing, Jermaine Pennant, Aaron Lennon, Ashley Young, Joe Cole and Kieran Richardson

All of them have found homes and done ok but are a bunch of squad players.

Coming soon?:
Adam Johnson?
Gareth Bale?
Theo Walcott?

Most English/British players are overrated and over hyped. It's especially bad with wingers. Only Beckham has really done anything on the big stage consistently (Cole had a few ok years but has never been consistent).
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Shaun Wright-Phillips: Was hyped and overrated.

James Milner: Had his best season in cm and I think will still prove to be a very shrewd buy for City.

Stuart Downing: Never really that hyped, actually think he's copped quite a lot of unfair criticism.

Jermaine Pennant: Was a very talented youngster and that was where the hype came from, like so many hasn't fully realsied his potential.

Aaron Lennon: Pretty effective player for a Champions league club, think he's probably matched hype.

Ashley Young: Still developing as a player and looking like a big move this summer, who knows? Maybe the best is still to come.

Joe Cole: Fantastically talented youngster and did a very good job in a very good Chelsea team. Just think the last injury took something from him and he hasn't quite got the brain to change his game.

Kieran Richardson: Again only really hyped as a youngster, everyone always said his first team performances were mediocre.

The point is I think all this thing about British players being over hyped is a bit of a myth. I think foreign players are actually on the whole given an easier ride by the media and the fans, while British players are judged more harshly. Of those you mentioned I think on the whole their career performance has largely matched what was expected of them, and that there were supporters and critics in equal number for each of them.
 
Fiskey said:
I think he probably would, its dealing in hypotheticals but with his ability to play wide and in the middle it would give them a greater opportunity to rest some players which I think would be taken advantage of. Would struggle to get in their first choice line up although it is possible he would replace Pedro in difficult away games but I could see him getting 40+ games there.
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:lol:

I don't know if this is an awesome wum or if you are serious or not.

Do you really think Milner is that good? I've seen a fair bit of him, and never rated him Top 4 material if you like, certainly doesn't have the ability to walk into any squad.

I really can't see Milner getting 40+ games in Barcelona. I couldn't see half our first team getting 40+ games a season there, let alone Milner.

You must really rate him highly?
 
Fiskey said:
Shaun Wright-Phillips: Was hyped and overrated.

James Milner: Had his best season in cm and I think will still prove to be a very shrewd buy for City.

Stuart Downing: Never really that hyped, actually think he's copped quite a lot of unfair criticism.

Jermaine Pennant: Was a very talented youngster and that was where the hype came from, like so many hasn't fully realsied his potential.

Aaron Lennon: Pretty effective player for a Champions league club, think he's probably matched hype.

Ashley Young: Still developing as a player and looking like a big move this summer, who knows? Maybe the best is still to come.

Joe Cole: Fantastically talented youngster and did a very good job in a very good Chelsea team. Just think the last injury took something from him and he hasn't quite got the brain to change his game.

Kieran Richardson: Again only really hyped as a youngster, everyone always said his first team performances were mediocre.

The point is I think all this thing about British players being over hyped is a bit of a myth. I think foreign players are actually on the whole given an easier ride by the media and the fans, while British players are judged more harshly. Of those you mentioned I think on the whole their career performance has largely matched what was expected of them, and that there were supporters and critics in equal number for each of them.
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I disagree, all of the players I mentioned were over hyped as youngsters and supposed to be the guy who saved the wing for England. Don't get me wrong they all turned out to be useful squad players but none of them is a match winner, none of them is world class and none of them has lived up to the hype which in large part comes from the media. Judged more harshly? Maybe so but understandable since they are English and it's the English Premier League.

We'll probably not agree here though.

The thing I disagree with the most is that you don't think English/British players are overrated. They are in fact the most overrated players in the world.
 
Richards, Johnson, A Johnson, Cole, Bent, Milner, Lescott, Barry, Upson, Wright-Phillips, Lennon, Walcott, Smith, Bentley - A lot of these players have talent, but they were also touted as world beaters, or at the least top level talents.

All players tend to be overrated, especially in this country with our media and how we like to turn a young talent into surely the very best ever. Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Terry amongst loads of others have all been overhyped at various stages in their careers, not to say they haven't been excellent, or had extremely successful careers for their respective clubs, but at times have suffered being tagged the nations last hope.
 
Fiskey said:
He's good enough to be a very decent player for Villa, not everyone can be Messi.
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He's been ok at Villa. He's never linked with anyone decent. Whenever I watch Villa he's sometimes ok, but often ineffectual and just quite bland.

He's a clear notch (or two) below Milner, Young and Lennon.
 
Fiskey said:
I think he probably would, its dealing in hypotheticals but with his ability to play wide and in the middle it would give them a greater opportunity to rest some players which I think would be taken advantage of. Would struggle to get in their first choice line up although it is possible he would replace Pedro in difficult away games but I could see him getting 40+ games there.
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Erm, what? You do understand that to get 40 games there he would play 2 out of every 3 games they play? There is absolutely no way he would get a game in their central midfield, not now, nor ever, and he would be an absoute liability if you put him in their front trio because he's nowhere near good enough on the ball to succeed in their formation.
 
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