Non-students rushing to the defensive of a supposed student organisation that masses of actual, current students and their Uni's clubs have had nothing to do with for years.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Don't tell Corbyn, probably not too keen to be assassinated and dismembered.
why people get so worked up about a politician accidentally muddling up some figures in an interview is beyond me. i'd prefer to focus on their actual fecking politics. dianne abbot is an excellent politician. i couldn't care less if she drinks a mojito or muddles up some numbers, who the hell hasn't done either of those things?
That's usually a risk when a leader tries to implement polices that serve the interests of the people rather than capital, domestic elites and foreign interests.
They were an undemocratic clique where only 500 out of the 20000 members were allowed a vote on the leadership. It deliberately excludes voices that dissent from its Blairite politics, which, considering the reality that the majority of Labour students will not share those views, means that it's about time it is replaced with a democratic grassroots organisation.
Good read about the problems here - https://tribunemag.co.uk/2019/03/labour-students-is-unfit-for-purpose
Marxism is a form of analysis, not a political to do list.
There's nothing wrong with wanting everyone's life to be better. It would be great if no-one was hungry or starving or homeless or sick or suffering at all but no-one has yet come up with the magic solution to prevent this.
No, but it's nice when a politician at least tries, and it's clear that you will not solve any of those pervasive problems if you have no genuine desire to do so in the first place. Or, worse, pursue policies that consciously intensify and even create such problems.
That's it.
btw I think Corbyn being 'neutral' in the GE in as far as Brexit is concerned gives him the opportunity to run fully on strengthening the welfare state and policies that will help working families.
He won't be strengthening anything if we leave the EU, especially if we leave without a deal (that is presuming he gets into power, which he won't).
If we remain after a 2nd Ref, policies he is running on can be implemented.
But we do not know what will happen before Oct 31st.
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Sounds like Boris is just playing for time.
He will deliver 'hard brexit' and run on that.
If we have a second Ref and the result is Remain, does it mean we are back at where we were before the first vote?
It goes to penalties.
It's the right call. It's farcical having a deputy leader who disagrees so much with the leadership and the membership.
Momentum and the Labour Party are a joke.
Needs a split.
He probably is a paid hack of Johnson.
Imagine looking to remove someone from a leadership position, with an election seemingly on the horizon and the Tories in disarray. Tom Watson would be proud.
You come out with some strange things.
Definitely. It's tiresome going through this. The Lib Dems under Swinson are right wing enough that there is absolutely room for a centrist party to be formed out of the Labour MP's who don't like Momentum. Just maybe get more numbers and think it through a bit more than Change did.
It's been a while, Mike.
I'm also sceptical if Boris going to war with Argentina would be advantageous.
Yeah, no shit.
More constructively, I think the timing is wrong. We're heading into single issue elections. All the viewpoints are currently covered. If Labour lose the election and Corbyn/Momentum don't release the reigns, then I can see it happening
You got in before my edit. I liked my edit
You got in before my edit. I liked my edit
And you go it before mine, c'est la vie
Tom Watson, whose brief is the media, has been completely silent in a week or so that has seen The Scum doorstep Ben Stokes' family and out someone as having HIV.
He's said nothing. Nothing. He is pointless.
He's said nothing. Nothing. He is pointless.
I'd be more engaged by the arguments of both sides of this Labour infighting if it wasn't inevitably going to end with Boris Johnson being elected as PM off the back of the fourth Tory general election win in a row. What an absolute shower of shite.
He sacked like 20 MP's and you think the Tories are going to win because Labour appears disjointed?
Is there nothing you'll condemn?
I'll condemn Watson's role in the saga of con artist paedophile Carl Beech if you like?
Admittedly he didn't go this wedding decades ago so it's probably not proof that he shouldn't be in a political party leadership role.
You're not less obsessed or less predictable on this topic than anyone, to be honest.
I'm not obsessed at all, I've all but given up on the party as it currently stands. The public has too.
Perhaps he should have just laid a wreath at the graves of terrorists instead.
Is there nothing you'll condemn?
I don't think you have. I think you want to but you sure as hell still care, based on the things you write. If you didn't care you'd quietly wander off and grumpily vote Lib Dem like the rest.
You're probably right.
I am going to struggle to vote Labour at the next election though.
I voted for Gordon Brown's government. Because the only candidates were Lab/Tory/BNP and I had to do my bit to make sure the BNP didn't keep their deposit in my seat. I know the feeling of not being represented.