Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

That is absolute fcuking horseshit.

I speak English and French. In France my French is accepted as being shite, but passable. In England, if I pronounce Avignon, Provence or Cote D’Azur accented my friends, family or colleagues will rip the p1ss out of me. There’s no intent or message but it will sound different.

People are fcuking idiots.

I’m no fan of Corbyn but I’m intelligent enough to see that a slip in pronunciation is not indicative of anything.

Corbyn is not anti Semitic. He may hold views on Israel or Palestine that you disagree with. But his stance always seems to be grounded in humanity. He is not anti Jew. He’s not racist. His position is political.

He stood on stage, articulated his message clearly and exactly. If you choose to take a pronunciation over actual words then there’s no helping you.

That is completely unrelated to their point. It's better explained here

The idea is that Corbyn used the Jewish pronunciation instead of the common Anglicised pronunciation to highlight his Jewishness and let him belong to the Jews because he's a notorious sex offender. That it was subtle code and a dog whistle to antisemites.

You can also add the perception that Epstein is your archetypal member of the 'shadowy elite' so some Jewish people probably feel quite sensitive about him being weaponised against them in the Jewish conspiracy narrative. If you believe that Corbyn is an antisemite, as any Jewish people do, it's not difficult to understand their point of view.
 
Whilst it was ill-advised and rather fecking stupid to do what she did, given her job on the tele, does it really matter to you all what she thinks? Is her opinion that important? The way the "internet" has reacted is laughable.
She's got thousands of followers, don't expect not to be get called up on your bullshit when you have that many followers.
 
You can also add the perception that Epstein is your archetypal member of the 'shadowy elite' so some Jewish people probably feel quite sensitive about him being weaponised against them in the Jewish conspiracy narrative. If you believe that Corbyn is an antisemite, as any Jewish people do, it's not difficult to understand their point of view.

Bravo, absolutely spot on.
 
She's got thousands of followers, don't expect not to be get called up on your bullshit when you have that many followers.

Oh heaven forbid anybody that dares criticise the holy one blessed be he, Jeremy Corbyn or slander his extremely noble reputation as a staunch humanist and anti-racist campaigner...

Why follow her if she's got form for coming out with utter bollocks?
 
Whilst it was ill-advised and rather fecking stupid to do what she did, given her job on the tele, does it really matter to you all what she thinks? Is her opinion that important? The way the "internet" has reacted is laughable.

Maybe because she erased an anti-apartheid message in order to spout her nonsense?

It's offensive & she's rightly being called out for it. There's nothing laughable about the situation.
 
The imaged defaced was a Corbyn cultist image. The only reason anyone is upset is because it was switched to point out his own antisemitsm. I see nobody arguing in good faith that this was a racist act. All I see are people that wanted to abuse Riley, just most in this thread are doing.

I'm not sure you know how Twitter works.

I'm not sure you know how sarcasm works.
 
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Oh heaven forbid anybody that dares criticise the holy one blessed be he, Jeremy Corbyn or slander his extremely noble reputation as a staunch humanist and anti-racist campaigner...

Why follow her if she's got form for coming out with utter bollocks?
That's clearly not what this is about, if you haven't figured it out give your head a wobble.

And you don't have to follow her to see the bollocks.
 
Well please enlighten me as to what this actually IS about then? Because I appear to have completely missed the point according to you.
Someone has already explained it to you.
 
The imaged defaced was a Corbyn cultist image. The only reason anyone is upset is because it was switched to point out his own antisemitsm. I see nobody arguing in good faith that this was a racist act. All I see are people that wanted to abuse Riley, just most in this thread are doing.

This is reductionism, there are hundreds, if not thousands of people who have voiced their anger/upset because the message was defaced and not to do with antisemitism but revisionism & erasure of black history.
What you see, isn't what's only there to see.

She (or the maker of the t-shirt) could've chosen any image of Corbyn either holding a sign, or with signage in his background to spread their message
https://www.google.com/search?q=cor...WQa8AKHbf4BnYQ_AUoAXoECAwQAw&biw=1440&bih=751
See how easy that was?

Instead they intentionally chose one that erases black history, it's intentional, it's offensive and if you can't see otherwise then there's no use replying.
 
That doctored picture of Corbyn doesn't erase black history. Wow.

As I said earlier, nobody cared about the image until it was used to prove Corbyn's antiracist credentials. That's all I am going to say. You can all go back to slagging off Rachel Riley now.
 
Corbyn as hebrews tea, anti-semitism confirmed

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Subtle bastard that he is.
 
Whilst it was ill-advised and rather fecking stupid to do what she did, given her job on the tele, does it really matter to you all what she thinks? Is her opinion that important? The way the "internet" has reacted is laughable.

It's really not laughable. How much do you know about the suffering caused by apartheid in South Africa?

She is rightly being called out for trivialising that.

Not to mention spreading disinformation about the opposition leader.
 
Had to unfollow Rachel Riley today. She posts a lot of bollocks this was the tipping point. Proper nutcase. The pronunciation is thing is mental as well.
 
Jesus Christ, what a load of fuss over nothing.
 
Amazing the amount this is being hammered on the day the manifesto is released
 
That doctored picture of Corbyn doesn't erase black history. Wow.

As I said earlier, nobody cared about the image until it was used to prove Corbyn's antiracist credentials. That's all I am going to say. You can all go back to slagging off Rachel Riley now.
Black people and South Africans have pointed out the issue of eraser of their struggle. Who are you or Rachel Riley to say it isn't?

She's rightly getting hammered for either a large error of judgement or intentional attempt to trivialize the cause. She's not only not apologised she's tripled down on it.
 
Whilst it was ill-advised and rather fecking stupid to do what she did, given her job on the tele, does it really matter to you all what she thinks? Is her opinion that important? The way the "internet" has reacted is laughable.
Why don't you use your own logic then, and ignore our comments?

Does it really matter to you what we think? Is our opinion really that important? The way you've reacted is laughable.

Etc etc
 
Why don't you use your own logic then, and ignore our comments?

Does it really matter to you what we think? Is our opinion really that important? The way you've reacted is laughable.

Etc etc
Oh no. His "logic" only applies to everyone else. Absolutely no bias there.
 
That is completely unrelated to their point. It's better explained here



You can also add the perception that Epstein is your archetypal member of the 'shadowy elite' so some Jewish people probably feel quite sensitive about him being weaponised against them in the Jewish conspiracy narrative. If you believe that Corbyn is an antisemite, as any Jewish people do, it's not difficult to understand their point of view.

No. It’s not unrelated. It’s relevantly irrelevant.

There was no othering. There was no subtext. He pronounced his name as his family would and if folks have a problem with that, take it up with them.

Jewish people don’t give a Fcuk. Source : Jewish community that I live in.

Epstein was a fcuked up borderline deviant. The only people adding ‘Jew’ to that descriptor are the media and weird people with an agenda.
 

Good lad. Quick reaction as well so it feels natural.

Which means she won't suspect it when he leaves a fiery bag full of shit on her doorstep tomorrow morning. Along with a fancy breakfast
 
That doctored picture of Corbyn doesn't erase black history. Wow.

If black and South African people say it does, or that they're upset or offended by it, who are you or Riley to tell them otherwise?

As I said earlier, nobody cared about the image until it was used to prove Corbyn's antiracist credentials. That's all I am going to say. You can all go back to slagging off Rachel Riley now.

It was a quasi known about photo (hence why it was chosen) but no, no one really cared about the image of Jeremy Corbyn protesting Apartheid, until Rachel Riley wore a T-shirt that for some reason photoshopped the Apartheid context out and replaced it with a made up sentence calling him a racist, in order to centre a blonde haired, blue eyed, attractive Western woman as the victim, who despite the undoubted terrible online abuse she's faced, has still likely significantly less of a grasp on actual, systemic, institutional, day-to-day racism than even most Jewish people, let alone black Africans.

But even then, the whole kerfuffle could still likely have been avoided if once confronted with the genuine first hand offence many people took, she had magnanimously apologised, or at the very least done one of those half assed apologies that acknowledged it's offence, but insisted the point was right anyway... And yet instead, she decided to stubbornly double down on it, using Daily Mail, Telegraph and other right wing think pieces as justification for why Corbyn really hated South Africa, or something, which didn't remotely address the actual problematic nature of the photoshop!

I can completely understand why the fiercely entrenched anti-Corbyn lot feel like they're having to aggressively fight their way out of an ever decreasing corner. But trust me, you're on the wrong side of this one. When the largest demographic on your side are middle aged middle class white women with cats in their avatar, you're almost never in the right.

This thread by a (admittedly lefty) Jewish lecturer explains it much better than I can...



Riley and Obermann have been terrible figure heads for the anti-Corbyn movement IMO. They’ve allowed swathes of the left to dismiss genuine criticisms and real concerns by being self propellingly over-fanatical. Not to mention the frankly terrible optics of a pair of rich blonde media luvvies managing to aggressively center themselves in an argument about systematic racial discrimination.
 
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Corbyn gone after Bezos on Twitter and it's done huge numbers as you might expect. The comments don't look too favourable though. 192k Likes, 36k RT's and counting.

Comments are generally unfavourable because people try to be smart rather than understand the situation. Bezos strongly opposed the "homeless tax" in Seattle and succeeded in repealing it. It was going to raise as much as $50m annually from large businesses of which Amazon is one so while this is welcomed this is very much a token gesture. This is what is behind the post from Corbyn.
 
The gods of google have decided (correctly) that I am interested in Corbyn news, but have also decided that the only sources for it should be the Sun, Daily Mail, and Express. Their headlines are quite something - Blair warns against him, MI6 warns against him, his spending plan sucks while the Conservatives are going to deliver more and spend less*, polls show he is losing, and also a Corbyn government will threaten food supplies. Is this close to the usual?


*Reminds me of this.
 
The gods of google have decided (correctly) that I am interested in Corbyn news, but have also decided that the only sources for it should be the Sun, Daily Mail, and Express. Their headlines are quite something - Blair warns against him, MI6 warns against him, his spending plan sucks while the Conservatives are going to deliver more and spend less*, polls show he is losing, and also a Corbyn government will threaten food supplies. Is this close to the usual?


*Reminds me of this.

The gods of Google have decided that I am interested in what the Guardian has to say. So you & me both :)