Concerning. Failure of the Lib Dems to pick up at all would suggest to me those abandoning him are slipping into apathy again more than anything else.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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Concerning. Failure of the Lib Dems to pick up at all would suggest to me those abandoning him are slipping into apathy again more than anything else.
Given how key an issue Brexit is for 18-24 year olds this can hardly be a huge surprise. If you are opposed to Brexit then Corbyn has failed to represent your point of view.
I must admit I was surprised when the press rated the Labour party conference as a success. As posted at the time 'we haven't ruled a second referendum out' was not what the Labour's activists and newer members wanted to hear.
I think it will take years for the Lib Dems to be forgiven for the Coalition and for tuition fees.
That plus a lot of their key figures are fairly right-wing economically. Plus they're fecking terrible at marketing themselves. A party that prides itself on being socially open and liberal almost getting outflanked by Theresa May on gay marriage was grim. The overall trend in that regard seems to be though that youngsters who are turning away from Corbyn at the moment aren't really turning anywhere else at all.
Is there a trend of them turning away ? Labour are still polling around 40%, yeah the younger voters might have felt let down or they think Corbyn is now rubbish but it isn't effecting Labour in the polls.
Are the overall polls weighted for likley to turn out as well... As we know traditionally the turnout 18 to 24 is relatively low
More like they've realised he's the Child Catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
"Lollipops!"
Tbh, I've argued on here before that support in Corbyn amongst that demographic is collapsing, so it's nice to have some hard proof in support of that, but I don't think it necessarily follows that those voters are necessarily being lost to Labour. I accept that I am a fairly atypical member of that demographic (not least because I'm actually outside of it) but the conversations I have had with people about Corbyn over the last few months haven't necessarily shown they've lost faith in his platform or policies (except the big one in Brexit) but have lost faith in his ability to actually deliver it.
I wouldn't be amazed if when push came to shove they voted Labour, which probably also explains Labours relatively stable numbers, even if they don't believe in Corbyn as a PM, especially if he's able to keep up a thin veneer of being incompetent rather than a leaver on Brexit.
The sooner Corbyn goes the better as far as I'm concerned - his weakness on the Brexit issue is unforgivable and I've changed from quite liking and respecting him to wanting him gone asap in the last year or two. I'm sure I'm not alone in this and his chance of becoming PM has completely collapsed in my opinion.
Currently Labour are at 36%, 5 points behind the Tories (!)
'Don't know' currently beat Corbyn's number for 'who would make the best PM' - 35% for Don't know, vs 24% for Corbyn.
Those are terrible numbers by any standard.
In terms of Labour polling yougov are the outlier, everyone else has the around the same as the tories.
X leader is shite isn't having a effect on overall party polling.
It's not entirely surprising. He was marketing the hell out of himself to that demographic a year ago. The hype was always going to die down and his policies and actions would have to stand up to scrutiny.
I have always said I don't think he really wants to be PM. His career has been about being a thorn in the side of those in power and it seems to be what he enjoys.
True, probably been slightly off in my assessment there - still though, it's fairly worrying for the party insofar as people who have less faith in Corbyn are more likely to eventually turn away from Labour, and are going to be less likely to campaign for them. The latter would potentially be troubling for the party in that a significant advantage they held in the last election was the sheer numbers they could amass when it came to campaigning, especially in comparison to a lagging Tory party that's struggling to even attract semi-decent prospective MP's at the moment.
i bet that graph fits in almost perfectly with a second graph of people turning 25 and new 18 year olds who haven't paid attention to any elections
yet the % who pick May remains around the same
Not saying it couldnt be a factor but its over a 16 month period so whilst the whole period is 84 months
so you would expect around 20% of those polled initially would have fallen out of the range
So the only way your hypothesis fits for a drop of 20% is to assume that everybody who dropped out of the sampling range before would have picked corbyn initially - which statistically simply wont be true - as i say its not discounting it entirely as a factor but clearly the graph does not fit perfectly with that
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For any Labour voters out there, you are not voting Labour, you are voting Momentum. The ‘For the many, not the few’ is their slogan not the Labour Party. They are , by their own admission , training ‘activists’ in persuasion style canvassing which in some constituencies means a brick through the window. Many long standing Labour MP’s have been harassed and bullied because they don’t agree with Jonathan Lansman the creator of the far far left Momentum. He is now on the NEC. The bloke behind the ‘oh Jeremy Corbyn’ wave of social media support from trendy lefties in Islington.
If you work in a decent job, then you will be tagerted by this lot when they get in God forbid. They are all on good salaries of course like the Union leaders and MP’s. Corbyn has been drawing an MP’s salary for decades and will have a storming pension too. Do as I say not as I do bunch of idealists. Never done a days work in their lives some of them. Nasty bunch and I predict some scandal will erupt one day involving Vladimir and co.
Frankly, they are all as bad as each other but Momentum is a shady bunch of fanatics.
If you work in a decent job, then you will be tagerted by this lot when they get in God forbid. They are all on good salaries of course like the Union leaders and MP’s. Corbyn has been drawing an MP’s salary for decades and will have a storming pension too. Do as I say not as I do bunch of idealists. Never done a days work in their lives some of them. Nasty bunch and I predict some scandal will erupt one day involving Vladimir and co.
Frankly, they are all as bad as each other but Momentum is a shady bunch of fanatics.
yeah but they are clearly not gonna get in so nothing to worry about
Unlike the current beneficent government who are in the process of destroying the NHS, education, policing and every other public service the public rely on? But yeah, let’s be scared about some socialists raising taxes.
'Persuasion' tactics is essentially what politics is - the bricks through the window part is nonsense. Not a huge fan of Momentum but a significant number of them are fairly normal activists trying to reshape the Labour party in their own interests. Like most inner-party groups do.
This is such a stupid but depressingly common criticism of left wingers. On this basis no one who is an MP is allowed to believe in any form of socialism because they earn a good wage and will get a good pension.
Didn't this guy have a massive and then got banned, why he is back ?
Labour London assembly members face reselection fight
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ondon-assembly-members-face-reselection-fight
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ondon-assembly-members-face-reselection-fight
John McDonnell is quite fascinating politically.
Ill informed drivel.
Read the manifesto before you spread entirely false scaremongering about tax.
Which current Labour policy fits your description of ‘far far left’?
Sanity
It is a fact that Labour has been at its strongest when it has been more of a cenrerist party.
A political party is there to win elections and be in government.
The British electorate does not vote for parties of the Left or Right.
If Labour truly want to be in power it needs to recognise that this will not happen with Corbyn as leader.
We will see if history proves me wrong or right.
A political party is there to win elections and be in government.
The British electorate does not vote for parties of the Left or Right.
If Labour truly want to be in power it needs to recognise that this will not happen with Corbyn as leader.
We will see if history proves me wrong or right.
I do agree with that.
That largely depends on what you view to be left-wing, and the specific time we're talking about. Attlee was largely a 'centrist' in the context of the Labour Party of the 1940s but he was nevertheless a socialist and someone who'd comfortably be to the far-left of the party now if he still held those same views today. Similar can be said for Labour governments which followed up to the Blair years, by which point Thatcher had moved the economic paradigm to the right.
I find it intriguing that people like Corbyn are judged because of their stance on a conflict that doesn't even concern their homeland.
Corbyn is most well known for his views on foreign policy and if he were to get elected it would potentially be the biggest shift in British foreign policy ever. You could say for the first time that the head of the British state is a anti imperialist(wither this makes a difference is anyone guess ).
Also it's hard to attack labour on domestic policy as their platform is quite popular.
Any party needs to serve the needs of the majority Not the few.
Its not about Left or Right.
Its about Right or Wrong.
Its also not about personalities.
Its about Policies.
Its not about Left or Right.
Its about Right or Wrong.
Its also not about personalities.
Its about Policies.
When did 'activist' become such a charged word?
I suspect the fine line he's being trying to tread on Brexit has now ran out. Being non-commital worked up to a point as it avoided alienating either of the two major constituent parts of Labour's support base, pro-EU metropolitan folks and the traditional Labour base in post-industrial areas.
As Brexit gets closer, both sides are getting fidgety and he's not saying what either wants to hear.
Yep, that's the conclusion of that polling too.
Obviously it's one poll etc etc, but I did warn that it was very obvious that Corbyn enthusiasm was dying in the demographic he was supposed to be hitting hard so I'm not at all surprised to see his support evaporating.