Carry on playing 4d chess with unicorns...
In all seriousness he probably looses an election to boris and we end up with a hard Brexit and his supporters blame Blair
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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In all seriousness he probably looses an election to boris and we end up with a hard Brexit and his supporters blame Blair
Hamas thank Corbyn for his support.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...r-message-rally-pro-palestinian-a8917691.html
Imagine ISIS thanking May.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...r-message-rally-pro-palestinian-a8917691.html
Imagine ISIS thanking May.
The demonisation has definitely worked, although not helped by himself at all. I still find it mad that anyone thinks anyone else is a better choice though, which is what it comes down to.
I didn't post that picture as a defence of Corbyn, I was just pointing out May has met similar people to ISIS.
Did Corbyn ever steal a girl you were dating ?
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You mean, you think it is mad that anyone else is a better choice than Jezza??
It is certainly a minority opinion from @VeevaVee as not only is corbyn polling worse than farrage... hes worse than may and has been for over a year (with the exception of 1 month)
It is certainly a minority opinion from @VeevaVee as not only is corbyn polling worse than farrage... hes worse than may and has been for over a year (with the exception of 1 month)
That doesn't surprise me. A lot of people are ABJ now. Chavs hate him because of the anti-war stance. Tories hate him because he's not looking to help them even though they shouldn't need it. And now some of those in between are running riot with snippets of information.
In my opinion it comes down to:
Cuts and bleeding dry the only good thing the country has left, while those who don't need it become better off.
Racism/nationalism, which is dumb, especially seeing as their leader has rinsed the public.
Or a guy who hasn't helped himself with regards to his actions but with little substance or proof behind the main negatives, and has been weak when it comes to Brexit but still somehow better than the others.
I know which I prefer out of the lot and who I think will be best for the people.
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Rumours doing the rounds on twitter that after labour shit the bed in the eu elections there's going to be....................another leadership contest
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Did you, as a Labour Party supporter and advocate for Corbyn, seriously just label a load of people chavs?
Doesn't really matter what these fine intentions are, if Corbyn is so bad people refuse to vote Labour while he is leader. What matters most is getting into power in the first place. Something Labour need to remember pretty quick.
Very doubtful. Corbyn's position in the party is the weakest its been since he took over and its something he's managed through his own actions on Brexit. A leadership contest would be a get out clause for him. At this point if you want Corbyn out, its pretty obvious you let him carry on doing what he's doing.
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Corbyn and the left have almost got complete control of the party.
I agree with a leadership contest will help Corbyn but the future of anyone who isn't on the labour left looks bad.
Yeah? Are chavs not a thing now? Or we could pretend they're not to sound more PC, but I don't see the point in that.
I know. And it is frustrating.
The issue is that there's no successor to Corbyn. He uniquely straddles various constituents in the party - the north london/south manchester metro liberal vote, the younger optimistic momentum vote, the working class union vote and the "looney left" SWP-type vote. No-one else currently in Labour can speak to those audiences with authenticity, and when Corbyn stands down they're likely to back various different candidates and, the left being the left, will probably start falling out over it. For now Corbyn is unassailable simply because those different activist bases are (largely) behind him, but his successor certainly won't have that advantage.
There won't be a leadership contest before the Tories pick their own leader first. They need to know who they're running against.
Your use of it is revealing. Chav is term used to insult a group the labour party would once have considered it exists to defend.
For the many not the few. Except chavs, obviously.
ps Please vote for us anyway.
Chav's a chav mate. Do we really have to do a pointless dance about the term? It is what it is. You know what it is, I know what it is, everyone knows what a chav is. What exactly is it revealing? That I'm not one to beat around the bush? Are we at a stage where 'chav' is too un-PC now?
And for some reason a lot of em couldn't handle a politician that didn't want to be involved in wars and decided to start voting elsewhere. Those that have gone that route have chosen it themselves (/been gullibly fed a lot of nonsense).
Anyway, I hope it is insulting to them, because those I'm speaking about here are Farage supporting Brexit voting wankers who would prefer to support the Tory party over Labour while it bleeds the country dry and fecks up everything in front of our eyes, especially for the working class, which includes me and family.
No one said anything shouldn't be for them. Unfortunately many are voting for the opposite.
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Very weird take.
The failure of centrist Labour MP’s to make a mark with Change UK and the rise of Farage is only going to strengthen Corbyn’s position.
When are people going to finally realise that if Labour replaces Corbyn with someone associated with the People’s Vote campaign they’d be finished? Similar fate if they chose an overt Brexiter.
Because of the extreme split through demographics I don’t see a way through this other than what Corbyn is doing.
Perhaps when Labour stops losing votes to both pro Remain and pro Leave parties?
They've tried to be everything to everybody and have ended up being nothing to nobody.
Corbyn's popularity and Labour's polling are both falling quite quickly, so Im not sure why you think Change UK & the Brexit Party are helping him.
As for your last point, Labour's strategy of trying to straddle the Brexit divide was always based on the assumption that, eventually, party loyalty would prove to be a bigger factor than Brexit. At this moment that assumption looks increasingly shaky. As we saw in Scotland with the Indy Ref, some things in politics are bigger than traditional party politics and can force a wholesale realignment. As Labour found to their cost there, if that realignment goes against you, no matter how storied your history, you can lose out.
We're not there yet with UK wide politics, but its certainly possible something similar could happen. Corbyn's position only makes sense if Brexit goes away and business as normal returns. That's far from certain, and if politics does realign around Remain vs Leave as the primary question people ask when deciding who to vote for, Labour's current position of appeasing both but pleasing neither is high risk indeed.
Brexit is never going away because Europe is never going away - there’s endless negotiations still to come post brexit with Europe likely to be painted as the enemy. It certainly feels like there’s a realignment happening but at best, I can’t see anything other than coalitions ahead for years.
Progress out on tour to criticise the Labour leadership on election week 
Scum of the party that lot
Scum of the party that lotBlinder.
Is it that time again already? Lovely stuff.
It would be the end of democracy if uk had a 2nd referendum. Let's keep playing until I win sort of thing.
The weird thing is Corbyn has come out in favour of second referendum a couple of times. Their whole argument is going to be - get rid of Corbyn because he refuses to go on our awful marches and have the EU flag painted on his face.
Its wouldn't but there really is no reason why a new referendum so soon after should count more than the one in 2016.
Hey if he left and someone competent took his place I'd probably vote labour. As it stands I won't be next election.
Well, yeah, after stalling for something like three years. It's fairly clear that a lot of people who are anti-Brexit don't really trust him at all and it's fairly easy to see why when so much of his rhetoric surrounding Brexit has been astonishingly vague. Ultimately at this point the UK is polarised between a No Deal Brexit and remaining in the EU - clearly the latter option is better than the former for anyone who doesn't view Farage as a kindred spirit, and so during any ensuing campaign Remainers aren't going to want the face of the main Remain party to be someone who doesn't believe in their cause.
So you won't for funding the NHS, more housing, worker rights and possibly trying to do something about climate change because Corbyn is incompetent ? Remind why Corbyn is the stupid one in this situation ?
the other half of my post
34% of the population voted in these eu elections.
Had Labour done well in these elections Labour voters would be spinning it as an endorsement of Corbyn. Clearly. So I don't see why they should get off the hook when things go badly. Irrespective of turnout the main opposition party should be doing well in any election in which they stand. The fact they've instead had a dreadful night is clearly alarming.
It's not as if these trends aren't being replicated at Westminster - the parties vote has been falling and only the likewise Tory collapse is keeping them at the top of the pile, but if the Tories get a new leader who endorses No Deal fully they'll probably regain a lot of their vote back when the one-issue Brexit party. And now the Lib Dems are back in the game a lot of Remain leaning voters have someone else to turn to with the knowledge that said alternative actually has a chance of doing alright.
The only argument that can be made here for this not being a shocking night for Labour is that supporters of their party were the only ones who didn't bother to turn out, while supporters for other parties did. And that's still a worry in itself insofar as it then shows Labour quite clearly aren't able to motivate people to vote for them when it comes to the countries most important issues. Losing in places like Islington is genuinely dreadful for the party however they want to spin it - any Lib Dem who'd said they'd win any vote there a couple of years back would've rightfully been laughed at by Labour supporters.
Tories and Tory Lites always want to make it about personalities.
The reality is any election is about the issues as mentioned above.
Whichever imbecile the Tories elect, do you think they will improve the country?
The will balance the budget on the back of the poor to reduce them to penury.
The reality is any election is about the issues as mentioned above.
Whichever imbecile the Tories elect, do you think they will improve the country?
The will balance the budget on the back of the poor to reduce them to penury.
Thornberry
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...-second-referendum-remain-party-a8931371.html
That sounds suspiciously to me like the start of an "unofficial" leadership campaign
I could vote green who have all that you listed on their manifesto. An actual remain party, and one i feel are far more for the people than the current labour party.
If I was from the UK this is how I'd be thinking too.