I hate to be thankful for a labour victory, but thank goodness they beat off the threat of the Brexit Party, for the time being.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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I hate to be thankful for a labour victory, but thank goodness they beat off the threat of the Brexit Party, for the time being.
He may well be, but even fools can up with something that works now and again!
Jeremy's only main concern is obtaining power in Government, after a lifetime of radical thoughts and ambitions and getting nowhere he now realises that through the emergence of Brexit, he has vehicle to ride to power, but he has to be as merciless and ruthless in his pursuit of that power as the Tories always are, otherwise he won't win. Jeremy is a relatively old school politician who sees the holy grail almost within his grasp, he really doesn't care one way or another about Brexit, when he's in power he will do it his way, even fighting his own party in order to do so... or go down in flames trying. It is his one and only chance of being remembered in the pantheon of Socialist Hero's and Heroine's.
I accept that his policies sound marvellous, who could disagree with much of them, but even in power he cannot achieve their realisation, if he wins a GE the money will flow out of Britain like a dam bursting, it would make a no deal Brexit look positively mild by comparison? Jeremy will have to spend most of his post GE victory shoring up the pound, even if he gets elected in time to revoke A50!
He will now consider himself one step away from being able to deliver a heroic Socialist Government, if only he can continue to deny the realisation of Brexit, whilst not saying so out loud!
We'll become Venezuela II.
Winning a by election by a tiny margin is not much of a success. He has no hope of winning a GE by ignoring Brexit.
Yes Brexit + Corbyn - vultures will be picking over the bones of what's left of Britain. Donald+Vlad+Xi will love it.
I see he's come out to celebrate with his shin pads on.
Labour talk is a bit of a red herring. They returned pretty poorly here (they've only thrice returned lower in the history of the party) and won the by election as the result of the Brexit vote being split two ways.
That's good news for Labour which will probably replicate nationally (it would be a huge irony if Farage's Brexit party succeeded in getting Labour elected) but the real conversation should be bout the Conservatives. I can't really see how they will look at today's result and conclude anything other than they need to lurch further towards the right.
Oh and
at the CHUK backed candidate finishing behind the Monster Raving Looney party.
That's good news for Labour which will probably replicate nationally (it would be a huge irony if Farage's Brexit party succeeded in getting Labour elected) but the real conversation should be bout the Conservatives. I can't really see how they will look at today's result and conclude anything other than they need to lurch further towards the right.
Oh and
at the CHUK backed candidate finishing behind the Monster Raving Looney party.I'm not sure the Brexit Party will a relevant concern at the next GE, because no Tory leader is calling a GE until Brexit is resolved.
The likeliest outcome now is crashing out without a deal on October 31st. When that happens, the Brexit Party's raison d'être immediately evaporates (see post- referendum UKIP, who were a complete non-entity in the 2017 election).
Even if we had a GE before Brexit was completed, it would also be a mistake to assume that the Brexit Party would only take votes off the Tories (as evidenced by the Euro election results).
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No but the HoC in a no confidence vote and with the help of the Remain's secret weapon (John Bercow) could force one!
Don't forget the EU has all but turned its back on the UK now, for them its take it or leave it time UK, on 31st Oct. I can't see any prospect of the EU reconvening a negotiation team, can you?That's why Farage keeps up this bluff about 'let me at em'.. I want to join the negotiating team..."what negotiation and what team? The EU won't sanction further negotiations, and the Tories will never bring him on board even if there was one, so he can continue to say to the country "look see the Government is still against you, vote for me...er I mean the Brexit party!.
Whatever you may think of Nigel Farage and his politics you have to admit he is master at gaining the upper hand and he knocks all our current leading politicians into a cocked-hat. I suspect the whole front row of both the Tories and Labour will have to depart the stage and the new Brexit party and the Lib dems with a younger front bench will take things forward. Almost all of our leading politicians especially in the two main parties are already looking like yesterdays men (and women).
"Taxi to the back benches (or retirement homes) please".
I dunno - I can see an awful lot of Labour and Conservative MP's worried about their jobs in a snap election
I should think so as well!
So they should despite all the hullabaloo, it was quite simple we had a binary choice, stay or we go. We voted to go!
Since the EU said from day one we cannot negotiate a Trade agreement until the UK leaves, then we should have said ok here's the signed A50 we leave on the 29th March 2019 and then used the time internally (not with the EU) to discuss what happens after that date, if we could not reach an agreement in the HoC to put to the EU then we should have told the EU we are revoking A50 and we have decided to stay.
Then all politicians could have faced the music (electorate) with their dignity intact reap whatever reward the electorate gives them at the next GE. It sounds simple and it was simple, but not it seems to our self serving politicians!
Was it in doubt?. Although Corbyn's reaction towards the press showed the relief and anger he had bottled up.
Torries wont call for a GE.
They will be decimated.
They will be decimated.
And labour probably won't try and force it through no confidence as they will be decimated as well
Basically the dup are back in charge ... FFS
Decimated must one of the most misused words in the World.
Look up what it means before bandying it about.
1 in 10, if either of the main parties were only losing 10% of their voters to the Brexit Party they wouldn't be that worried.
Minor rant over
Look up what it means before bandying it about.
1 in 10, if either of the main parties were only losing 10% of their voters to the Brexit Party they wouldn't be that worried.
Minor rant over
What's the odds that if Corbyn does not change to campaigning for a 2nd ref that conference is dominated by people trying to change the party position?
There is perhaps a few more weeks fence sitting can be done but not much more than that... Ge or not (and I suspect not) there is going to have to be a decision taken by labour as to if they actively push for a 2nd ref... Will be interesting to see if Corbyn changes stance early or puts up a fight
There is perhaps a few more weeks fence sitting can be done but not much more than that... Ge or not (and I suspect not) there is going to have to be a decision taken by labour as to if they actively push for a 2nd ref... Will be interesting to see if Corbyn changes stance early or puts up a fight
and who the feck cares what a Tory thinks.
Seems more like McClusky's stance these days.
Yeah... Conference will be fun... Suspect it's going to me a (loosing?) Battle to keep referendum motions off the agenda
We've been saying this for the last few but he finds a way to fudge them.
Exactly what Labour need right now. To purge from cabinet the people who represent what the membership actually want.
An actual member of the shadow cabinet. Even if you think the problem of anti-semitism has been overblown this is fairly clear evidence there are people in the party at a relatively senior level who don't give a feck either way.
He said, she hadn't even read the tweet; as if that makes it better.
I do think he is not the sharpest. They shouldn't be sending him out to do interviews.
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Probably not, nah, if I'm thinking of the correct person he's got a habit of committing gaffes. But at the same time if you're a Jewish person in Britain I can see why you'd find this sort of stuff remarkably insidious when it's working it's way up to prominent members in a main party - ignorance/stupidity is often a fairly convenient excuse for people who say and do bad things.
He's actually decent at interviews most the time but yes Barry is a odd one. He's a massive Modi supporter as well.
Labour talk is a bit of a red herring. They returned pretty poorly here (they've only thrice returned lower in the history of the party) and won the by election as the result of the Brexit vote being split two ways.
That's good news for Labour which will probably replicate nationally (it would be a huge irony if Farage's Brexit party succeeded in getting Labour elected) but the real conversation should be bout the Conservatives. I can't really see how they will look at today's result and conclude anything other than they need to lurch further towards the right.
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No....They won through Postal Votes - a Labour speciality
https://www.change.org/p/men-previo...-were-counted-in-the-peterborough-by-election
Tbf in this instance, if her explanation is correct, it makes sense - the captions on fb photos/videos are quite hidden, and you can like the photo without seeing the caption. I" pretty sure I've done it many times.
Is there anything that makes this more than speculation? Brexit Party would've probably gained massively from postal votes too as older people are generally a lot more likely to vote by post and older people like Brexit a lot more than the young.
The problem is more the fact that he's equating anti-semitism with snorting a line or two. If his argument was that she didn't know it was anti-semitism then that's different (albeit still problematic) but here the argument seems to suggest that it's alright to be anti-semitic sometimes because the Tories are cnuts as well.
the argument is that the problematic thing was the caption not the photo. it's not that she saw the caption and didnt know it was anti-s, it's that she didn't see it at all.
agree abt the 1st part.
Probably more than a grain of truth in the claims, I reckon.
Not sure the Brexit Party would have gained much from Postal Votes although it's possible, of course.
But Labour do have previous on Postal Vote Fraud....
Indeed. He learns his brief and parrots it out but when asked a supplementary question he then generally sits there in total confusion for an age until he repeats the same thing again.
Currently all Labour spokespeople have obviously been told to answer the question 'what's your policy on brexit?' with 'it's what was decided at party conference' but at the end of every interview you're somehow left still wondering what it is.
Barry Gardiner is a liability.
Mike Pompeo tells Jewish leaders he would 'push back' against Corbyn
Jewish Leaders seem very worried about a Corbyn lead party.
Jewish Leaders seem very worried about a Corbyn lead party.
I can't believe this isn't headline news. The US secretary of state is discussing intervening in British politics to prevent JC from ever becoming PM.
russia's at it again
Not a loaded question at all!
Labour party workers having a ballot over austerity measures... Imposed by labour party
Oooooh Jeremy Corbyn
https://order-order.com/2019/06/11/labour-staff-formally-decide-hold-ballot-strike-action/
Oooooh Jeremy Corbyn
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Guido understands that after a long-running row over pay, Labour Party staff have formally decided to hold a ballot on strike action. The decision was taken today although the ballot won’t happen immediately. Among those pushing hard for a strike was Mary Robinson – Jeremy Corbyn’s head of economic policy – Robinson apparently said “it doesn’t matter how much it will cost, we need to deliver it.” Much like Labour’s wider economic policies…
Not everyone was quite as enthusiastic, one Unite rep reportedly told staff to “think carefully about this and the harm it will do to the party”. Will Corbyn be going down to the picket line to join the protests against his own party?
https://order-order.com/2019/06/11/labour-staff-formally-decide-hold-ballot-strike-action/