No, he is equating not thoroughly reading a caption below a picture before you click like vs. snorting a line or two.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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Anyone who seriously reads Guido needs to re asses their media intake.
But this isn't some one incident - it's happened again and again with various key party members and MP's. Why do these people warrant continual good faith when it's clear there's a wider issue here? Are Labour MP's somehow cursed insofar as they keep on accidentally liking anti-semitic content, or associating with anti-semitic people, or saying anti-semitic things, even if they don't intend to?
I think there is a level of scrutiny applied to Labour MPs that isn't applied to others. The kind of thing she has been caught for won't be detected unless someone spent hours looking for exactly it. Remember that polls and reports show that anti-semitism within the party isn't higher than elsewhere.
So why is the equalities commission only having a formal investigation into the labour party... Are they biased... Are they part of the Illuminati...
Or could it be that actually there is more evidence of serious wrongdoing by labour?
Oh I absolutely agree - the Tories have a problem with anti-Muslim sentiment that's as big as, if not much bigger than, Labour's anti-semitism problem. If Corbyn weren't regarded with as much scrutiny as he has been then this certainly wouldn't be getting brought up. And I doubt a Corbyn government would be particularly hostile as such to Jewish people in Britain.
But ultimately it has become an issue, even if it's been overblown - and the party's response to said issue strikes me as worrying in how consistently dismissive they are of it. Even if these incidents are minor, small prejudices can gradually ramp up over time and Jewish people in Britain and beyond certainly have good reason to be very, very concerned about even the slightest prejudice when it does emerge. Especially because genuine and fair criticism of Israel can very often end up meshing with anti-semitism in certain circles etc.
Exactly. Good post.
Mike Pompeo MBS cocksucker has an opinion about Corbyn.
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Do you think the party that ran Zac Goldsmith's 2016 Mayoral campaign doesn't have evidence of wrongdoing?
And look at the published columns from their leadership contest front runner...
So why is the equalities commission only having a formal investigation into labour?
Are they biased?
Are they part of the Illuminati?
Or do you have another reason
Also part of the Illuminati:
The Campaign AGainst Antisemitism, YouGov, The Institute for Jewish Policy Research, Shami Chakravarty, Jan Royall, and David Feldman
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https://www.equalityhumanrights.com...semitism-labour-party-our-response-complaints
So again why is there only a formal investigation into labour?
Do you believe the equalities commission would do this without evidence?
Do you believe the equalities commission wouldn't undertake similar investigation into other parties if the same evidence bar was reached ?
If no then the investigation is clearly warranted
If yes then on what do you base that?
So why did Shami Chakravarti (no Corbynite), Jan Royall, and David Feldman report " "no evidence" of systemic antisemitism in Labour"?
Do you believe the commission would say this without ecidence?
The Illuminati also influenced the all-party House Commons Affairs Select Committee into concluding that there was "no reliable, empirical evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of antisemitic attitudes within the Labour Party than any other party."
Damn those illuminati guys have got their hands everywhere except the Equalities Commission it seems.
Damn those illuminati guys have got their hands everywhere except the Equalities Commission it seems.
Because shami got a lordship for producing a convenient answer?
What did the house committee get?
I think the concern is antisemitism being tolerated by the leadership rather than Labour having 8% less antisemites in their membership than the Tories.
I think as the equalities commission are the leading body in this under UK law I'd be inclined to say they should be taken pretty seriously.... Let's not forget they have taken legal action against a political party before (the BNP)
Chakravati was appointed by Corbyn to do the investigation and subsequently appointed as shadow ag... Nominated for a peerage by Corbyn (not without controvicy https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...iticises-shami-chakrabarti-peerage-nomination )
And even her report stated
So not overrun but clear evidence of ignorant attitudes
This is from a Feldman article
https://www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion...sm-problem-didn-t-start-with-corbyn-1.5980426
Hardly ringing endorsements of a party without issues...
And we have the equalities commission... Who lest we forget
The Equality and Human Rights Commission(EHRC) is a non-departmental public body in England and Wales, established by the Equality Act 2006 with effect from 1 October 2007. The Commission has responsibility for the promotion and enforcement of equality and non-discrimination laws in England, Scotland and Wales.
Have actually undertaken a formal enquiry using public funds because they believe in the balance of probability the law has been broken
So yah... I think try answering my point without deflecting...
I don’t think the EHRC would do an investigation without evidence... but why would it be unfair to even question their decision to launch a formal investigation in this instance? Are they above criticism for some reason?
Which in your opinion was a bigger issue in terms of political racism... Windrush or anti-semitism in Labour? I know what I would consider the correct answer to that question given that one of these involved wrongly deporting people and some have subsequently died.
Yet where is the formal EHRC investigation into Windrush? It’s almost beyond any logical comprehension that they wouldn’t launch a formal investigation into Windrush and the hostile environment.
Feel free to explain why the evidence bar for Windrush wasn’t reached... or why it’s not deemed to be so significant?
Erm windrush was only referred to them in may
https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...ndal-hostile-environment-institutional-racism
So it's an ongoing investigation... Which would be why no action is taken to date as they are assessing the evidence to see if it reaches their standard for formal enquiry / prosecution
https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...ndal-hostile-environment-institutional-racism
So it's an ongoing investigation... Which would be why no action is taken to date as they are assessing the evidence to see if it reaches their standard for formal enquiry / prosecution
You started your post by talking about the illuminati. if you wanted a serious discussion you could have started with a serious, non-trolling post.
i dont care if its a ringing endorsement or not, because the charges against him aren't subtle. it isn't that he's a forgetful old man or that he's an emabarrasing uncle - it is serious stuff. People have asked him to resign, the US State Department is planning actions against their strongest ally if he gets power, and voters have abandoned him over this- and the headline result of the 2 major inquiries is there is no systemic evidence. There are polls showing that anti-semitism in the labour party is lower than in the conservative party. That is the actual investigated evidence we have.
if you want to argue about his imperfect attitiudes that's another issue. but it is never framed as that - he is a racist who is an existential threat to british jews, is the common framing, which merits the response it has received.
edit - the rhetoric used about the threat corbyn poses to british jews matches and surpasses the rhetoric about the threat trump poses to american minorities, some of whom have had their kids snatched away, to be locked in cages from where they might never be reunited.
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You actually believe this is the case? MP’s wrote a letter demanding an EHRC investigation as stated in the article... but where is any comment from the EHRC? They’ve had six weeks since then where they could have even announced they they would look into it and possibly consider a formal investigation but have said nothing as far as I can tell. I’ve searched and found no response to the referral at all.
When Labour were referred to them in March, the EHRC released a statement that was all over the news to say they would consider an investigation... yet no statement on Windrush after that was referred to them to say the same thing? Is that not slightly concerning? It would certainly cause me to have some question over their priorities.
I’d have questions anyway about why the EHRC feel like they would even need a referral in May 2019 over Windrush. Are they that incompetent? It was a political scandal so could hardly have escaped their attention. What are they even there for, if not to intervene after quite blatant and widely reported political racism?
I’ll finish by saying that if the EHRC do not issue a statement in the coming months to say they are launching a formal investigation into Windrush and the hostile environment after this referral... would it be fair to question the organisation’s bias and legitimacy? I believe so.
https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.co...ality-and-human-rights-commission-by-caa/amp/
Labour were referred in August 2018
It took till 28 may 2019 for ehrc to finish their initial investigation and decide to formalise proceedings.. They made no statement as to what they would do between those dates
Why would you expect them to act differently?
I would expect a thorough investigation and if they believe at the end of that the law has been broken then I expect them to open a formal investigation... You know .... Exactly like they did with labour
The EHRC released a statement in March to say they were doing a preliminary investigation into Labour which might turn into a full investigation.
The EHRC also released a briefing in June 2018 discussing some of their concerns around the Government's hostile environment policy shortly after the Windrush scandal hit. They basically just list various potential issues and then suggest the Government do their own internal investigation and fix the problems themselves. An absolute whitewash... they didn't want to investigate the issues themselves and see whether individuals had been illegally discriminated against at all (they absolutely have). Why not?
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com...immigration_house_of_commons_14_june_2018.pdf
Now 80 or so MP's have had to sign a letter demanding the EHRC investigate because they haven't done so themselves. I think serious questions are to be asked about the EHRC's independence and judgement when in June 2018 they didn't deem the hostile environment policies of the Government and the Windrush scandal worthy of their own investigation.
yeah whilst you were on the EHRC sight perhaps you should havle looked this up
after that they move to formal proceedings ... which they have with the labour party as the labour party after the preliminary investigation started continued to undertake practices that drew concern
and by the way - windrush being awful and something that most probably will get the same treatment after the labour enquiry when the enquiry has run its course in no way excuses the top down antisemitic actions of labour
with labour they waited to see if labour fixed its own house - it didnt and further action was requested in August 18 - upon further investigation they acted in May 19
Windrush had further action requested in May 2019 - they are in the investigation process
This thread shows exactly what Corbyn’s enemies are trying to do - The Art of Bore only ever talks about anti-semitism.
They’ve succeeded in shifting the debate - the Tories are suffering from a dearth of ideas to solve domestic problems in the UK and they don’t want anyone to see the energy and hope that surround the Labour Party membership.
Far easier to effectively demonise them all as racists. There are so many decent Labour Party members who have very honourable intentions and they’re having to spend all their time and energy engaging with the anti-semitism debate, constantly under threat of being called racist if they defend Corbyn. It’s grotesque.
They’ve succeeded in shifting the debate - the Tories are suffering from a dearth of ideas to solve domestic problems in the UK and they don’t want anyone to see the energy and hope that surround the Labour Party membership.
Far easier to effectively demonise them all as racists. There are so many decent Labour Party members who have very honourable intentions and they’re having to spend all their time and energy engaging with the anti-semitism debate, constantly under threat of being called racist if they defend Corbyn. It’s grotesque.
Shame it's not exactly replicating itself with the general electorate then...
It's the only thing they can actually attack and even then they have to resort to lines of "oh they were paid off" when reports come back postitive. Just your typical conspiracy theory nuts.
we can talk about the impending clusterfeck johnson will be and how with some decent leadership we might not be up to our tits in shit but meh gten you jjst get abused and called a red tory or blaitrite scum and yeah lets be honest the fact that the ehcr is undertaking its biggest investigation since the met investigation into institutional racism is pretty damning in its self dont you think its worthy of cutting through the bullshit about the god awful lack of a coherent brexit policy (which ironically is playing right into johnsons hands)
and nobody is deamonising all labour members as racists - i used to be one (a labour member for many years) - but yeah its true the leadership and the tolerance of franky intolerable behavior has changed ... its not honorable... its anti semitic... its wrong and it will most probably be shown to be illegal... that and people defending that is whats grotesque
Racism exists in all parts of society and therefore in all political parties too. What exactly constitutes racism these days is what seems to be blurring the edges in many debates. I've even heard some people describe the 'Scouser v Manc' enmity as a form of racism. Flinging accusations about left and right does not denigrate racism, it normalises it, therefore all parties, institutions etc. need to define, in terms of the laws of the land, what happens under their control, or on their watch, concerning racist practices and speech and take immediate and prompt action against those who transgress.
They're having to spend all their time and energy on it, because the leadership are too damn stupid to have put this to bed as soon as it came out. It should have been priority 1 and everything else put aside until the crisis was averted. Instead they fecked around as usual, and ended up looking like they didn't care.
No they didn’t. You’re just too gullible.
Can’t understand most of this and you’ve cut and pasted a laughable graph from the Torygraph.
we can talk about the impending clusterfeck johnson will be and how with some decent leadership we might not be up to our tits in shit but meh gten you jjst get abused and called a red tory or blaitrite scum and yeah lets be honest the fact that the ehcr is undertaking its biggest investigation since the met investigation into institutional racism is pretty damning in its self dont you think its worthy of cutting through the bullshit about the god awful lack of a coherent brexit policy (which ironically is playing right into johnsons hands)
and nobody is deamonising all labour members as racists - i used to be one (a labour member for many years) - but yeah its true the leadership and the tolerance of franky intolerable behavior has changed ... its not honorable... its anti semitic... its wrong and it will most probably be shown to be illegal... that and people defending that is whats grotesque
If your sources in this thread are in anyway indicative of your actual reading you need to diversify a little.
feck me, are we really at the part where everyone's racist, so it's alright if Labour are too?
As a party, Labour are supposed to be committed to social justice and equality. That's a fair, decent goal, and I'd argue a lot of Corbyn's policies come close to helping achieve that, certainly much more so than his Tory or Lib Dem counterparts. But naturally if you're going to strive towards that goal then you're going to have higher standards for conduct than your right-wing counterparts: you're inevitably going to see inequality and discrimination as an evil that needs to be rooted out of society to the greatest extent possible, and a party that doesn't look to do this should not be one that appeals to someone on the left.
Look, I'll agree this discussion has to an extent been consistently overblown. Labour's problems with anti-semitism probably aren't as bad as the Tories' problems with anti-Muslim sentiment, and Boris will probably end up being their leader in spite of an array of offensive and derogatory comment he's made throughout his career on an almost impressively wide range of issues. But something being overblown doesn't mean it's not a problem: what's fascinating is the mental gymnastics on display here from both general posters online (like here) and the party leadership to determine that it's not a problem at all. Or that every time it rears its head it's just an accident. The MP for Peterborough may not be a genuine anti-semite - but what does it say about her if she associates in circles where it's rampant to the point where it's easy for her to accidentally like a post containing it?
She ‘may not be an genuine anti-semite’?feck me, are we really at the part where everyone's racist, so it's alright if Labour are too?
As a party, Labour are supposed to be committed to social justice and equality. That's a fair, decent goal, and I'd argue a lot of Corbyn's policies come close to helping achieve that, certainly much more so than his Tory or Lib Dem counterparts. But naturally if you're going to strive towards that goal then you're going to have higher standards for conduct than your right-wing counterparts: you're inevitably going to see inequality and discrimination as an evil that needs to be rooted out of society to the greatest extent possible, and a party that doesn't look to do this should not be one that appeals to someone on the left.
Look, I'll agree this discussion has to an extent been consistently overblown. Labour's problems with anti-semitism probably aren't as bad as the Tories' problems with anti-Muslim sentiment, and Boris will probably end up being their leader in spite of an array of offensive and derogatory comment he's made throughout his career on an almost impressively wide range of issues. But something being overblown doesn't mean it's not a problem: what's fascinating is the mental gymnastics on display here from both general posters online (like here) and the party leadership to determine that it's not a problem at all. Or that every time it rears its head it's just an accident. The MP for Peterborough may not be a genuine anti-semite - but what does it say about her if she associates in circles where it's rampant to the point where it's easy for her to accidentally like a post containing it?
Based on a Facebook like? Jeebus...
You've just acknowledged the exact leadership issue that's the problem. If Labour's leadership was any good, they would have nailed this issue - so the other stuff got the attention. In fact, a test for any leader of anything, is to make sure their message gets heard, and to stop other stuff getting in the way.
So these ideas to solve the UK's domestic problems:
There was an interesting article in the Times on this the other day. The writer made the point that all this supposed fresh thinking about Britain's problems, is anything but. It's comfort blanket stuff and deeply backwards looking: nationalising everything, ending school tests, scrap tuition fees, chuck pensioners even more money etc. Where stuff isn't backwards looking, it's timid - Brexit, a lack of a foreign policy. And all of it is mind-numbingly expensive. The only thing stopping it from the labelled the impractical wish list that it is, is the Tories are even worse.
The one-off liking of a post obviously isn't the problem. It's that this stuff keeps on happening. Again and again. They may be minor incidents but Britain's Jewish population is kinda obviously concerned that the Labour leadership don't think it's a problem that some prominent party figures keep on accidentally doing or liking things that could be construed as problematic or anti-semitic.
Sounds like a completely honest appraisal. Who wrote it out of interest?