Available is always matter of opinion, if we are honest pretty much every manager is available if we are knocking on his door and offer enough money. Some managers who are pretty good in getting the best out of their players: Klopp (though i despise him, and he would never come here), Pocchettino, Hasenhüttl, Simeone, Sarri. Then a few younger ones that show a lot of promise at their first big club like Nagelsmann or Eusebio. And of course Leonardo Jardim who pretty much built the current Monaco team from the ashes
Jose is making a squad of warriors!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
That's true. Interesting, I'm glad Mourinho is taking charge in doing the same attempts bringing the club back to the similar mentality.
Yea, those managers are throwing their players under the bus after every game. As for Bournemouth, they're able to spend a world record fee on a player and buy their way to success.
Loyalty.
I can not even be mad at Shaw posting videos online of him training since Mourinho has United fans convinced that Shaw is fat, lazy and weak mentally.
Well tbf, Spurs have a fair number of outburst in recent years between Poch and some of the players. Kyle Walker the most recent example. Anw, Poch made a lot of strict changes and decisions to the club which some of the players couldn't agree. It's necessary though to be bold and sometimes harsh, if you really want to win things. Being nice all the time won't cut it.
I think this social media thing is something that was needed. Teams have started to be leaked again. He doesn't want to give the opposition any hint of his teams or tactics. Also he might think some are not taking things as seriously as they should.
What world are people living in where the only two options are being nice or tough/harsh or whatever? It's like every manager is either a Hitler or Morther Theresa ffs. Yes clearly leadership requires a level of toughness, that's painfully obvious. Using every press conference to slag off your players and being involved in some sort of unsavoury incident pretty every season throughout your career is something else entirely, something that pretty much every other successful manager has proven is not exactly necessary.
Yeah i completely agree on that but it does not happen like that. I mean injuries to Jones, smalling and shaw are bound to happen. They are basically cotton candies wrapped in united shirt. We need to sell them in the coming transfer. Even rooney is required.
The main difference there is how they feel about the manager. In any football club really, if the employees have it in for their boss, he is a goner. The players could have simply liked LvG or at least not hated him. If they get sick of Mourinho like the Real and Chelsea bunch did, nothing will help him.
Some wise words, apparently unfortunately needed in this thread
I'm kinda still waiting for Mourinho to blast Rooney off in his media criticisms but naah, he won't do it, and rightly so, because you know... Rooney is a legend and all, and the amazing thing about Manchester United is that fans respects all the legends and players that have contributed for the club unconditionally.
Wayne's performance in general this season doesn't really justified respects tbh. Although, Mourinho does proving his point about Rooney not performing enough albeit not in the same way as Shaw and co. The amount of time he get sub off, bench and left out entirely is really interesting.
Rooney's warrior spirit faded off.
Wayne's performance in general this season doesn't really justified respects tbh. Although, Mourinho does proving his point about Rooney not performing enough albeit not in the same way as Shaw and co. The amount of time he get sub off, bench and left out entirely is really interesting.
Rooney's warrior spirit faded off.
It is painfully frustrating where after episode with him, you get a section of fans pointing to some example of someone doing something vaguely similar as some evidence that this is how successful managers are missing the point that it's not that Mourinho did whatever he did, it is that, AGAIN, he is involved in something childish, petulant or downright c'ntish. It is the consistency of his exhaustive drama that is the problem, not any one incident in particular.
Fair points, although the bolded part is something which many successful managers experience and often instigated necessarily to lead to changes towards success. Easy example is SAF of course
but no worries, understood and agree, slagging off players in press conference is unneeded and there are better more moralistic alternative ways of trying to prove points.However, I can understand why Mourinho did the "necessary" evil though - some of the player are not performing plus in his eyes they're not bother and not putting enough effort thus doing those are disrespecting the club. Our club is the greater priority here isn't it not the players and they get paid to do the job so if you're not performing then you'll get notified lightly at first and then deservedly scolded if no good reactions. I don't believe Mourinho didn't criticize them personally first before resorting to public media criticisms. It's becoming common knowledge he do that first, easy example is De Bryune, he himself stated that Jose personally criticize him a lot during trainings but then gradually after that in media press. I still don't agree with Mourinho's chosen method though.
Fair points, although the bolded part is something which many successful managers experience and often instigated necessarily to lead to chane towards success. Easy example is SAF of course
However, I can understand why Mourinho did the "necessary" evil though - some of the player are not performing plus in his eyes they're not bother and not putting enough effort thus doing those are disrespecting the club. Our club is the greater priority here isn't it not the players and they get paid to do the job so if you're not performing then you'll get notified lightly at first and then deservedly scolded if no good reactions. I don't believe Mourinho didn't criticize them personally first before resorting to public media criticisms. It's becoming common knowledge he do that first, easy example is De Bryune, he himself stated that Jose personally criticize him a lot during trainings but then gradually after that in media press. I still don't agree with Mourinho's chosen method though.
He started throwing players under the bus in the press after literally the first loss of the season.
Some fair points there but again my point is the frequency and the degree to said instigated episodes. Fergie was no angel but I can only name about 3 incidents that I, as one of his biggest fans felt was embarrassing and downright disrespectful; the incident when he alluded that a ref was fat, the Gibraltar fiasco and some of the stuff he let on about ex players in his book. That's really all I can recall, the rest being your regular tussles with Wenger, Benitez and Mourinho and some ref criticisms. Crazy and unreasonable but now what you'd call the acts of a "douchebag". Now let's go to Mourinho and it's on another level, he insults Wenger without provocations and out of context by calling him a failure for example, what other manager ever does that? He calls a manager's wife fat, he questions the commitment and professionalism of doctors, medical staff and now players! The frequency of these incidents and just how low they can get is what sets him apart, not that he merely has a dark side.Fair points, although the bolded part is something which many successful managers experience and often instigated necessarily to lead to changes towards success. Easy example is SAF of course
However, I can understand why Mourinho did the "necessary" evil though - some of the player are not performing plus in his eyes they're not bother and not putting enough effort thus doing those are disrespecting the club. Our club is the greater priority here isn't it not the players and they get paid to do the job so if you're not performing then you'll get notified lightly at first and then deservedly scolded if no good reactions. I don't believe Mourinho didn't criticize them personally first before resorting to public media criticisms. It's becoming common knowledge he do that first, easy example is De Bryune, he himself stated that Jose personally criticize him a lot during trainings but then gradually after that in media press. I still don't agree with Mourinho's chosen method though.
If you're referring to the match against City, that he did even way before the game. In trainings, preparations for the big high pressured game, he made set up and strict instructions to the players for them to follow in order to win the game... which they don't follow. So.. he criticised them during the matches on the side line and of course during the half time team talk. We loss, and then he criticised them post-match press conference. Check back the many reports concerning this.
But again I understand your point, it's better to keep it private and support the team than slagging them off to the press. It's humiliating and somewhat unprofessional. Mourinho have this emotional tendencies though. So if he's planning to be our long era manager like SAF or Busby, I'm expecting improvements in this part.
Improvements and criticisms are not simply to the players only imo, managers too are not out of the loop.Every introvert footballer (51% of all) is rather getting worse then better when being critized harshly. People like that need warming words if they don't perform, Mourinho is doing the exact opposite. A good manager (btw not only in football, but in every enterprise) knows how to handle every single person of his staff, to get the best out of it. And not just use one method for all, that's pretty much medieval methods there..and this will lead to half the team underperforming, as it is seen right now.
I'd like one week between now and the end of the season where he doesn't moan. One week of no drama would be nice!
Hmm, true. We're in agreement concerning that parts. Yeah, Mourinho have a bad history in doing those, and somehow he's doing those things a lot more frequently, certainly more than SAF's, and yes the level of immaturity plus harshness in doing those for sure sets him apart than the other successful managers. I'm still hoping he would improve in this sense and willing to give him chances, and being our manager, we have a good high standard when it comes to manners and behaviours expected of our managers. So far, his media public criticisms is the top of the list, being our manager.
Agree. Being a manager in general anywhere is a tough job.
Yup, the introvert players are basically not Mourinho's preferred kind of players though haha. Another thing which he could improve on is his player-management which obv is not comparable to SAF nor Ancelotti. SAF talked of how the modern players have a more softer mental state than previous older generations, of which he himself admit to have to adapt his general player approaches to mitigate this differences.
Yeah we need a manager to go easy on them like Moyes and LVG. Not this Jose approach that's seen him win basically everything there is to win in the game.
No we need a manager that handles his people individually, like every good manager nowadays. Apparently everything apart from black or white is too hard to comprehend for some people nowadays
Is faker Shaw expected to play through the pain barrier after seriously damaging his ligaments? Warrior, huh?
I'm kinda still waiting for Mourinho to blast Rooney off in his media criticisms but naah, he won't do it, and rightly so, because you know... Rooney is a legend and all, and the amazing thing about Manchester United is that fans respects all the legends and players that have contributed for the club unconditionally.
Wayne's performance in general this season doesn't really justified respects tbh. Although, Mourinho does proving his point about Rooney not performing enough albeit not in the same way as Shaw and co. The amount of time he get sub off, bench and left out entirely is really interesting.
Rooney's warrior spirit faded off.
Rooney is not in Jose's plans for the future. We will probably be looking for buyers in the summer.
The deal with Jose is he needs to bring in exclusive his players, and they don't have to be galactico types. He's historically done very well with "normal" footballers who have the mentality and work ethic he wants and who buy into his practices. I'm thinking more at his Porto, 1st stint at Chelsea and Inter days. Once he went to Madrid he was like a fish out of water.
Neither of them went easy with the players. LVG clearly hated Herrera for instance, and Moyes was telling Vidic and Ferdinand to watch videos of Jagielka
Best current example is Darmian.And where is the evidence he hasn't looked at players individually. That he hasn't tried the private approach first?
At the moment we're losing two warriors per engagement and winning feck all battles.
Whoever started the thread, he fecking jinxed us proper
Whoever started the thread, he fecking jinxed us proper
Has the mass murderer Jose demanded him to?
No. He just sarcastically mocks him an hour after seriously damaging his ligaments. As you do.
Read back what you wrote, and then continue reading that until it makes sense to you. Don't worry, I have all the time in the world, so take your time. The greatest manager of all did not continuously attack his players in public, that's why he lasted 26 years at the club bringing non stop success.
Incredible that, considering it was his team, his players, hand chosen to hit the same parameters Jose wants. Let's just ignore how he's received the backing from the players he has questioned publically too, hey?
Little off-topic, but didn't Jose even fall out with Ronaldo? A fellow countryman who plays through pain and basically has a superhuman injury record? Let's face it, Jose is a bit of a dick. Which I'm fine with, as long as he gets results. Reserving judgement on Jose until next season.
People are really rewriting history claiming Van Gaal was a soft touch.
Overweight, undertrained player gets yet another injury. SHOCKING!
Wasn't that was over divisions in the dressing room and divisions at board level rather than injuries?
Yah, don't think it was over injuries as Ronaldo was rarely injured. Guess my point is Mourinho, post-Real Madrid, falls out with many of his players. Not just the ones who have injuries. Don't think many on Real Madrid shed any tears when Mourinho left. This is in stark difference to Materazzi's reaction when Mourinho departed Inter. Jose's time with Real broke something inside the man.
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You nailed it.
Players like Shaw (first name I could think of), are constantly injured or not playing well enough to get into the first team. These players say the right things to the press, but behind closed doors, who knows what they actually do.
The other thing which nobody has mentioned in any thread, in any post is the "players in their prime argument".
This season CFC are winning the league. They have a team of players all in their prime. My understanding is that they have no young players being used.
Last season LCFC - all players in their prime.
The season before that, CFC won the league. I think a CFC supporter will need to correct me, but I believe Jose used players in their prime...no inexperienced young players.
The trend is that youngsters, who tend to be weaker (mentally and physically), just can't cut it at the very top (i.e. in a league winning team).
Even Tottenham (who have not won the league, btw), are using players now approaching their mid 20s or over 25.
IMO, the days when you can take time with youngsters to toughen them up, are gone. If you want to win the title, you need a team choc full of players who in their absolute prime (age, mental toughness, physical toughness and skill maturity).
If Jose is going to win the title next season (and the pressure will be huge to do this), I expect Jose to ditch the mentally weak players and stick with tough, fully grown men, with experience. Unfortunately, young players may have to give way.