No !! never ever want him.
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I still think he'd have been the right choice after Fergie, but that's over now and I don't think he'll suit us the way we've been setting ourselves up for now.
Mind you, I wouldn't be surprised to see him here one day. Mind be his redemption in England after what's looking like a long goodbye from Chelsea and maybe we'll need a saviour as well, who knows.
Mind you, I wouldn't be surprised to see him here one day. Mind be his redemption in England after what's looking like a long goodbye from Chelsea and maybe we'll need a saviour as well, who knows.
I have to admit that I wanted him or Klopp after SAF. His recent antics and the fact that he is barely giving youth a chance at Chelsea at a time when his senior players are in miserable form have changed my mind. It is also hard to see him sticking around for long which on its own is not that big of a deal in the modern game but the fact that while in charge he is so focused on winning rather than building something for the long run means he is constantly leaving clubs in a mess.
He is not a Manchester United manager.
He is not a Manchester United manager.
He's already more successful. He's won the league in more than four countries and two Champions leagues thrown in too.
Yes. He is the best manager in the world, together with Pep. And we are not sure if Pep would ever want to manage in England
I wasn't that keen on him to replace Ferguson when he retired, but if i had to choose between Jose & Moyes it would have been an easy one. Mourinho all day long.
But now honestly it would be a no, he would win trophies with us no doubt but after a few years of Zombie passing, Moyes ball and whatever the feck we are playing right now. I would prefer if our next manager played with a bit of style and set the team up to entertain.
Would kill me to see United park the bus at OT against a rival the way Chelsea did against us last season.
But now honestly it would be a no, he would win trophies with us no doubt but after a few years of Zombie passing, Moyes ball and whatever the feck we are playing right now. I would prefer if our next manager played with a bit of style and set the team up to entertain.
Would kill me to see United park the bus at OT against a rival the way Chelsea did against us last season.
Pep has said onmore than one occasion that he will manage in England.
If Van Gaal were to win the premier league with us, he'd have won the league in 4 countries, too. As it stands, he's won league titles in Holland, Spain and Germany.
There isn't. No idea why I said more than.
If. Mourinho must have at least twice as many trophies.
Unless you're prepared to count their respective trophy hauls, you need to stop making statements like this. I don't know who has won more trophies overall because I haven't counted them, but the way you talk about Van Gaal is delusional. The fact we play boring football (mostly due to not having a world-class attack) doesn't invalidate his achievements, which are many at every single club he's ever managed, not to mention the third place he achieved at the world cup with a squad which failed to qualify for the Euros after he took up his position at United. That says a lot.
He's achieved some good things at times. He's also had some disasters. Sacked by Bayern and Barcelona and failed to get Holland to a major international tournament. Where was his name when the list of candidates to replace Alex Ferguson was being compiled? I don't remember him being mentioned much on here at all.
He was Holland coach and had the WC the next year. Might have been other reasons (and Mourinho being available was the big one) but I think that's why he was absent from the running completely.
I think he'd only been with the Netherlands for a year again. Probably not a lot of expectation that he'd leave it without giving the WC a shot. Plus, when Fergie left the consensus seemed to be that we wanted a long-term manager who'd stay with us for a long while. Only some top managers like Mourinho and Guardiola were talked about a lot, because they're some of the biggest names in the game. Due to his age, I think LVG would've been seen as an automatic short-term option which many were against.
I agree that he's had his nightmares though, and he seems to be a very hot and cold manager. His Bayern spell is a good example. Wins the double and gets to the CL final one year, but has a very poor season after that and gets sacked. Failed to quality with the Netherlands once, but in his second spell got them a 3rd placed finish. Strangely, he seems to be somewhere in the middle with us: decent, but not brilliant, whereas he often seems to be very good or very bad at most clubs.
See, this is the obvious bias present in each of your posts. Van Gaal wasn't available when Fergie announced his retirement; he was preparing for a world cup with the country of his birth...
I am skeptical as to whether Van Gaal is the right man to take United back to the very top of European football. It may just be one challenge too many at the end of a long career, but to behave as though Van Gaal isn't even of the same pedigree as Mourinho is stupid. He is by his record alone. He also plays a far better brand of football if you look at his Ajax, Barca and Bayern sides, as obvious examples. If he makes the right signings for our attack this January or in the summer, I think he may be able to replicate that success with us in his third and final year.
There's no bias in your opinion at all is there? Availability doesn't stop fans from talking about targets. He wasn't exactly on many peoples wish list. You fail to acknowledge any fault in Van Gaal at all it seems like many of the little cult he seems to have at the moment. Until he achieves something at Utd I'll have my doubts.
I can understand why anyone wouldn't want Mourinho and his personality managing United seeing as how perfect United's previous managers have been and how much of a good guy United have as a manager currently. Oh wait.
If you can honestly read the last comment I posted in this thread and think that I am a cult member who unconditionally supports Van Gaal, I suggest you spend some time on your reading comprehension.
Van Gaal has been a gentleman in his time with us. For somebody who is supposedly a volcano who hates everybody and everything, he's treated the fans and referees with utmost respect. It seems he is the same way with our players, but we have limited insight there. Mourinho, by contrast, has been a raging sulk at Chelsea and has blamed just about everyone and everything for his side's woes this season.
I'd prefer Ancelotti, who's a better manager than Mourinho IMO.
I have seen no fault admitted in him and totally ignoring his sackings and failings with Holland when discussing his record. It must've been very well hidden. Even his flaws were blamed on our players.
True, he has won it with four different clubs though. While Mourinho has won it with 4 clubs as well but also a title in two different spells with Chelsea when you think about it.
Both impressive records Mourinho edges it though.
Ah fair enough mate, you had me wondering as i thought it was 4 countries.
Mourinho - 18
Van Gaal - 13
Not twice as many but Jose has a good lead on Louis.
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Yes he has flaws. When discussing his record, however, it's important to point out to somebody who's acting as though his record is not that of a top manager that he's won multiple league titles in 3 different countries and has won the CL/European Cup, along with many other cups.
The flaws I see in his current United team are:
1: lack of high press. I prefer Pep's aggressive style of pressing to Van Gaal's more conservative approach of pressing from the half-way line. However it is making us defensively compact.
2: A lack of urgency with the ball. We often use the ball as part of a defensive strategy. Defending with the ball, if that makes sense.
3: Lack of movement between the lines. Van Gaal likes very structured attacks which demand a lot of robotic memorisation and practice from the players which can stunt our creativity.
My comment about our lack of a potent attacking force is, however, much more important than all three of the criticisms I make above. The reason for this is because possession football is a percentage game. The more you have the ball, the more opportunities you have to attack. Everybody knows this. But without players who can pose a consistent threat of beating a man multiple times in the space of 90 minutes, it's quite easy for teams to park the bus and watch the play endlessly switch from side to side in front of them.
Over blown if you ask me he was already shopping for houses in London by time SAF decided to retire, he was already hooked up to go back to Chelsea. Not sure there really was a "rejection" as it is made out to be.
Yeah he might do well taking a job out of the spotlight for a while or maybe a national team job for s lesser football power.
No thanks. Terrible football and his ideas are starting to look a bit dated.
If we're going for a pragmatic manager, I'd go for Allegri. Better quality football and doesn't mind using young players if they're good enough.
If we're going for a pragmatic manager, I'd go for Allegri. Better quality football and doesn't mind using young players if they're good enough.
Easily. Having a board like ours would take him (and us) to the next level.
He relied too much on individuals to build his team. At Milan it was a solid defense with Silva and an attack focused on Ibrahimovich. When they left, he had no idea how to adapt and Milan went into pieces.
Same thing happening at Juve now. With the departures of Vidal and Tevez, he just can't cope.
Average manager.
I'm curious if Mourinho has once brought through a youth player from a club's academy?
Wouldn't have had the time to see them through to success of course but I would consider Moyes-Januzaj as one, for example.
Wouldn't have had the time to see them through to success of course but I would consider Moyes-Januzaj as one, for example.
His trajectory up to the return to Chelsea was self-deludingly immense, but now his stock is crashing. In football terms he will come good again, for someone. United is one of the few jobs where he might renew his whole set of attitudes and do the original Mourinho from scratch. If you think he is too evil a person for Manchester United think again.
Would have loved him here after SAF, but not anymore.
Not because of his recent meltdown at Chelsea, but because of the direction we've taken steps in under Van Gaal. We have moved from pragmatism to a possession-based style of play, and it would be counter-productive to revert back.
Get someone who can implement this better - Pep Guardiola.
Not because of his recent meltdown at Chelsea, but because of the direction we've taken steps in under Van Gaal. We have moved from pragmatism to a possession-based style of play, and it would be counter-productive to revert back.
Get someone who can implement this better - Pep Guardiola.
Before turning on his own - hell yes.
After - hell no.
After - hell no.
No. Never wanted him. Even before this Chelsea disaster.
His antics are quite shameful. His siege mentality is absolute bollocks. His moaning is pretty crap.
His antics are quite shameful. His siege mentality is absolute bollocks. His moaning is pretty crap.
Everything has a price for a fan 
,LvG getting stick for his defensive football,people want to see back of him as soon as possible,because he is opposite of United way...and yet they want this classless one,the things he is done in the past,doing now,acting how he acts,playing not better style of football,not to mention his i couldnt give a feck about youth,or giving a young players a chance (which is part of United way),just because he will deliver a trophy,who cares what he leaves behind.
,LvG getting stick for his defensive football,people want to see back of him as soon as possible,because he is opposite of United way...and yet they want this classless one,the things he is done in the past,doing now,acting how he acts,playing not better style of football,not to mention his i couldnt give a feck about youth,or giving a young players a chance (which is part of United way),just because he will deliver a trophy,who cares what he leaves behind.I never said that he hadn't a good record at times in the past. I just pointed out there was no debate as to who was more successful between the two. Van Gaal's most impressive achievements came 20 years ago.
Those flaws you point out with our attack are also of the managers doing. Despite having a lot of money to spend he's left us with next to no options and decided one of our biggest under performers plays every week.
Admire him? Bit of an understatement, Paz! You practically worshipped the ground he walked on at a point. Fanboyism just ain't what it used to be these days. No loyalty in the game any more.
Which manager you know that's been successful with mediocre players?
The drop of form of some of Chelsea best players has them languishing near the bottom of the log...average manager?
David beckham leaving and Keane being past it led to 3 barren years for us under Sir Alex? Isn't he the ultimate winner?
Since Viera and Bergkamp connection ended Arsenal have struggled to win anything under Arsene Wenger, what does that say about his credentials?
Simeone lost Costa, Luis and Courtois and his team didn't look a threat in any major competition after winning the title and reaching the Cl final, average?
After losing lots of talented footballers Klopp lead his team to not qualifying for the CL...you wouldn't have had him here either now would you?
Milan went into pieces cause he had bang average players and lots of older lads who could give him what he needed anymore. Managers aren't magicians. Give them terrible ingredients and they are deffo giving you a terrible meal. Same thing has happened wit Juve this season. There's no coach that's winning too much with the likes of Sturaro getting regular game time, mind you he's managed to beat City and Sevilla with this team.