Jose : "They are not the last wonder of the world like you say they are"

SwansonsTache said:
We are in shit form, they are in great form. They played at home, we played away.

You must also take this game into context. A loss here would have been more than a loss, it would have been a detriment to the rest of our season and most likely the squads confidence. Getting a draw against a team in such red hot form that they beat a Chelsea and Arsenal away which both are better teams than them, then fine by me.
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I can get that getting a draw tonight is good, but maybe if Liverpool were in a bad day with another game plan a victory could've been possible, no one knows that, but it's still food for thought

But I don't believe Liverpool's praise revolves around a good or bad result in any given day. For me, so far only City have looked strong some games this year with an idea and the will to put their 100% on the field, Liverpool lack the quality of other squads, but they usually follow their game plan with faith and jump to the field thinking of winning the game, not drawing or forgetting about the offensive part of football.

So, in order to win trophies it will be hard for them to compensate having worse players with just their will to win. But I can understand people praising them if they try a dinamic football and sometimes even achieve an upset. Second coming? Well, Jesus wasn't famous for being rich, powerful or successful, just the story of one guy that wanted to do what he thought was right and got the simpathy of the people. Even if James Milner started walking on water the fans and media would also be ecstatic, but that wouldn't give Liverpool a better chance to win the title as they don't play waterpolo. Giving them praise for their attitude is one thing, believing they're favourites to win is something completely different.

Maybe their performances against Arsenal or Chelsea gave some people the idea they were what they weren't, but the global praise seems more about what they try to do on the pitch than what they're going to win this season
 
It was only a draw because Sturridge was a corpse out there and Sane had a mare. Had Lallana started it would be at least 1-0 imo.
 
Kostur said:
Don't think his was easier plus take into consideration their heading ability, you just expect a lot more from Ibra.

I think that saying that we're lucky with a point thanks to DDG is about as fair as saying that Liverpool are lucky with a point due to Ibra's shite form.
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If it's form you're talking about you lot were dead lucky Couts, Firmy and Mane couldn't pass the ball for shit in the first half. See this is an easy game.

You lot needed the points. Notice the plural. I was punching the air when the ref blew the full time whistle that you gained no ground on us whereas we lost none to the league leaders.

Good luck against Chelsea. Hazards got a point to prove I believe.
 
:lol: This is just pure gold,first before match people acting all surprised about out potential style of play,then talk about low possession after the match,bus parking etc. First right before and after JM got a job,people waving with some RM scored 120 goals cards and now majority are dumbfounded by outcome of tonights game...
 
Strange quote.

Didn't Mourinho prove that he rates Liverpool very highly by executing the most tactically negative display by any visiting United side in memory?

Talk about affording Liverpool respect with that approach. Never seen the like.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You know I'd get your point if today was the only game of the season. Because it only starts to make sense if our last two league games had never happened.
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There is time I suppose.

And, of course, for the sake of United, it would not go down that way.

We have another tough game coming up. Jose needs to get some kind of results or show that he is well prepared to take some points off from ' in form' and 'good teams'. We are not hiring him for 'shutting down' to get a point against any decent teams around or shit teams for the matter.
 
Dumbstar said:
If it's form you're talking about you lot were dead lucky Couts, Firmy and Mane couldn't pass the ball for shit in the first half. See this is an easy game.

You lot needed the points. Notice the plural. I was punching the air when the ref blew the full time whistle that you gained no ground on us whereas we lost none to the league leaders.

Good luck against Chelsea. Hazards got a point to prove I believe.
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So you were celebrating a 0-0 draw at home against us where you looked toothless and nullified?

Neither of these teams will win the league.
 
The United said:
There is time I suppose.

And, of course, for the sake of United, it would not go down that way.

We have another tough game coming up. Jose needs to get some kind of results or show that he is well prepared to take some points off from ' in form' and 'good teams'. We are not hiring him for 'shutting down' to get a point against any decent teams around.
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Title-winning form involves away draws and home wins against teams like Liverpool. We can't keep dropping points against the likes of Stoke or Watford but tonight was a good result.
 
Utdstar01 said:
Young I agree with because he's just inept offensively but no excuse for the other 3.
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Rashford isn't great technically and while Poga and Ibra are, they aren't exactly agile and lightning quick (especially Ibra). So every player is missing one key element for countering effectively from a deep position and outnumbered against an agressively counter-pressing opponent. Plus the fourth player is Young. I don't expect rapid passing and movement from that setup, which is what Utd. would have needed.
 
Dumbstar said:
If it's form you're talking about you lot were dead lucky Couts, Firmy and Mane couldn't pass the ball for shit in the first half. See this is an easy game.

You lot needed the points. Notice the plural. I was punching the air when the ref blew the full time whistle that you gained no ground on us whereas we lost none to the league leaders.

Good luck against Chelsea. Hazards got a point to prove I believe.
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Meh, alright I guess, I actually thought we affected your players' passing quality due to tactics that we've employed, especially in the first half but what do I know.

Think Chelsea are as much hit and miss as we are at the moment whereas you were definitely touted as in form, so I'd consider the SB game to be the easier out of the two.
 
Dumbstar said:
If it's form you're talking about you lot were dead lucky Couts, Firmy and Mane couldn't pass the ball for shit in the first half. See this is an easy game.

You lot needed the points. Notice the plural. I was punching the air when the ref blew the full time whistle that you gained no ground on us whereas we lost none to the league leaders.

Good luck against Chelsea. Hazards got a point to prove I believe.
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:lol: pathetic WUM. As usual.
 
PickledRed said:
Strange quote.

Didn't Mourinho prove that he rates Liverpool very highly by executing the most tactically negative display by any visiting United side in memory?

Talk about affording Liverpool respect with that approach. Never seen the like.
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It happens pretty much every season, you guy are still clueless though.
 
Traub said:
So you were celebrating a 0-0 draw at home against us where you looked toothless and nullified?

Neither of these teams will win the league.
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Liverpool's ability to win the league or not wont be determined by this game. You don't have to play well 38 times to win a league. They've shown plenty already that they're a threat this season. United not so much.
 
Dumbstar said:
If it's form you're talking about you lot were dead lucky Couts, Firmy and Mane couldn't pass the ball for shit in the first half. See this is an easy game.

You lot needed the points. Notice the plural. I was punching the air when the ref blew the full time whistle that you gained no ground on us whereas we lost none to the league leaders.

Good luck against Chelsea. Hazards got a point to prove I believe.
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Nope.

Jose has shown everyone else the way against "pool. Another trophyless season beckons for you and the other walking delusions....
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Any decent keeper would have made those saves. First one was a weak shot and the second he made a meal of it by going with the wrong hand. No keeper should let a shot in from that distance at that height.
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Eh, no he overreached (is that the correct english term?) with his one arm to expand his area of defence. That is text book keeping. I also think the first shot was hard to deflect (especially to the side), not a strong but well placed shot and from short distance. It takes some really great reflexes to get to the ground as quickly as De Gea did.

I also don´t get why my comment ruffled so many feathers here. All I did was disagreeing that United did nullify Liverpool via high pressing the whole game. They didn´t as they moved visibly deeper after an hour in the attempt to soak up pressure this way. It was probably the result of the high physical demand of a high intensity pressing play (as seen from Rashford cramping after 70 minutes aswell), which the team is probably not used to.

It got you a draw, a deserved one as Pool failed to create the necessary pressure to really force a win. I just don´t view a tactic which is only viable for 2/3 of a game as a tactical masterpiece.
 
Hugh Jass said:
We basically didnt give them an inch bar Can and Countinhos chances. Zlatan then had a big chance to score. Had it even been on target it would have went in.

Basically the first half an hour we nullified them, but they came into the match then.
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High-pressure defense has that downside, you're able to freeze a team if they need the ball, but if you can't use that to project your team to the rival area as the next step it usually comes back to bite you in the ass.

If full pressure was a viable tactic for the whole game it would be the "ultimate tactic". Only one chance usually falls short to win or even draw that kind of games
 
Pogue Mahone said:
:lol: pathetic WUM. As usual.
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I honestly expected to lose tonight. So any point gained was beautiful. Really encouraged with Lallana back on the pitch and Sturridge back on the bench next game.

Like you've said above: one point tonight are important results, it's the 'other' games you have to win. We've got six of those coming in a row. You've got Chelsea after this 'marvellous' point of yours. :wenger:
 
PickledRed said:
Liverpool's ability to win the league or not wont be determined by this game. You don't have to play well 38 times to win a league. They've shown plenty already that they're a threat this season. United not so much.
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Mourinho provided the blueprint to stop this Liverpool team from winning.

You don't have to play well but you have to grind out the results when needed. Your lack of a plan B will cost you any chance at the title.

For United, we have the common problem of only being able to be good at attack or defence - but not both at the same time.
 
Dumbstar said:
I honestly expected to lose tonight. So any point gained was beautiful. Really encouraged with Lallana back on the pitch and Sturridge back on the bench next game.

Like you've said above: one point tonight are important results, it's the 'other' games you have to win. We've got six of those coming in a row. You've got Chelsea after this 'marvellous' point of yours. :wenger:
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:wenger:
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Title-winning form involves away draws and home wins against teams like Liverpool. We can't keep dropping points against the likes of Stoke or Watford but tonight was a good result.
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I agree. And my main concerns came from those draws as we were able to attack more and we are just not there. I don't know if we can with the way we are setting up.

But credit to jose, he is switching and trying things/players out a bit. So he will most likely get his favourite set up to maximize our potential.

The game/tactical preparations for tougher games from him, well I expect that a bit more for future Cups/CL games. Sometimes, I want a bit of changes for entertainment values instead of same old same old absorbing pressures, shutting them down and get knocked out anyway.
 
PickledRed said:
Strange quote.

Didn't Mourinho prove that he rates Liverpool very highly by executing the most tactically negative display by any visiting United side in memory?

Talk about affording Liverpool respect with that approach. Never seen the like.
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I see Mourinho's words have stung our resident scousers :lol:

Mourinho gave Liverpool credit for the way they have played this season and said they are a 'good team' but not the 'last wonder of the world' as everyone made them out to be with predictions of 3-1 4-1 5-1 flying round from both set of fans, pundits and journalists. He did what he had to do tonight considering the predicament we find ourselves in, a loss would've been catastrophic for squads confidence given our next few fixtures. You seem to look at possession stats and think it was us with 10 men behind the ball and Liverpool creating chance after chance only to be denied by last ditch tackles, blocks and saves. It was a far even match that the possession stats suggest. We conceded the possession because City picked us apart by pressing the ball between our defenders and midfielders, we weren't going to try to build from the back and play into your hands. We pressed higher up the pitch and cut passing lanes to completely stop you from playing and in the end you huffed and puffed a lot in the 2nd half (like us v City) but lack of plan B mean't our defence didn't have much to do.
 
PickledRed said:
Strange quote.

Didn't Mourinho prove that he rates Liverpool very highly by executing the most tactically negative display by any visiting United side in memory?

Talk about affording Liverpool respect with that approach. Never seen the like.
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Liverpool's performance tonight was the most negative I've seen in this fixture at Anfield since Houllier. Seemed scared to come at us.

The onus being on the home side to attack, that's pretty poor.

United will show far more intent at Old Trafford than Liverpool did tonight and will win the game.
 
Orc said:
Funny watching as a Chelsea fan. Mourinho did this very same thing dozens of times probably and you guys slaughtered him for it. "Look at Chelski and Mourinho playing this tumescent, shite football like a small team when they've spent all that money" was the common statement.

Now he's got the most expensively assembled squad in the history of the sport and you lot are praising him. Funny how things have changed. :lol:
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Yeah but you pretended to be a United fan for 2 years of your life.
 
Liverpool fans reaction here :lol:

We've played miles worse at Anfield before, absolutely miles. Pretty recently as well.
 
Synco said:
Rashford isn't great technically and while Poga and Ibra are, they aren't exactly agile and lightning quick (especially Ibra). So every player is missing one key element for countering effectively from a deep position and outnumbered against an agressively counter-pressing opponent. Plus the fourth player is Young. I don't expect rapid passing and movement from that setup, which is what Utd. would have needed.
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Rashford is much better technically than he showed today, I have a feeling he's still growing into his frame and the last couple of games he's been off the boil. Pogba is actually pretty good at a counter but just didn't show it today nor has he done it so much while he's been here.

I think the point is; yeah we probably don't have the best personnel in place for a counter as we could have but they certainly could've performed better than they did in that aspect of the game tonight.

We really need Martial back sooner than later and we need another winger in January if Depay/Lingard aren't upto it. Would've been interesting to see if Jose would've still gone for Young instead of Martial if he was fit, I have a feeling he would've done.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
its laughable that some are claiming we 'parked the bus'. We didn't. We simply took away from them their biggest weapon: Pressing teams in possession. We let them have they ball and they really struggled. If Pogba had been at the races second half we would have been able to punish them even with so little of the ball.
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It it is stupid. They flashed a graphic up midway though the first half that showed they virtually the entire game to that point had been played in Liverpool's half. There was a reason the fans did their disappearing act. United were well on top. End of 2nd half was different but certainly not a reflection of entire game where both sides often took the more cautious option in situations. How many times did they go back to keeper? Rashford up top would've been a better option. Missed Martial too
 
Utdstar01 said:
We really need Martial back sooner than later and we need another winger in January if Depay/Lingard aren't upto it. Would've been interesting to see if Jose would've still gone for Young instead of Martial if he was fit, I have a feeling he would've done.
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Mkhitaryan would help massively, too. No idea what happened there.
 
Dumbstar said:
I honestly expected to lose tonight. So any point gained was beautiful. Really encouraged with Lallana back on the pitch and Sturridge back on the bench next game.

Like you've said above: one point tonight are important results, it's the 'other' games you have to win. We've got six of those coming in a row. You've got Chelsea after this 'marvellous' point of yours. :wenger:
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If thats you putting a positive spin on things, fine. Because the general expectation was you would beat us quite comfortably. Maybe you knew something that no one else was privy to?
 
I love it how the LFC fans are trying to make it out as if it's them who played shite, and that if they turned up they'd have destroyed us. No. They were exposed, and made shite by our superior play. We beat them at their own game (pressing) and they couldn't string two passes together. Credit to them, they grew into the game but no way did they ever deserve a win. A draw is a fair result for both teams. You carry on pointing out your 'ifs and buts'. "But If" we had Martial and Mkhi we could have ended it early.
 
PickledRed said:
Liverpool's ability to win the league or not wont be determined by this game. You don't have to play well 38 times to win a league. They've shown plenty already that they're a threat this season. United not so much.
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Sure. After all the Liverpool team as well as Liverpool fans know all about what it takes to win the league!
 
PickledRed said:
hey've shown plenty already that they're a threat this season
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Like when they lost to Burnley, needed an 85 minute penalty to beat Swansea and drew at home with a United squad that hasn't found its best form yet?


And now they play a West Brom Pulis side that Spurs dropped points to and needed a 90th minute goal to salvage 1 point.
 
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Borden said:
Of course they do with two defensive wingers and two holding midfielders. They were isolated and outnumbered throughout the game because of Jose's tactics. It's really no surprise they look ineffective with this setup, anyone would.
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True. Everytime Zlatan got the ball he looked so isolated.
 
Reading some of these posts from the Liverpool fans on here has really given me a glimpse into why Liverpool forums have shunned them and they've found their way on here.
 
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