Not surprisingly most people on caf want players to leave after they had a poor season. Or even half a poor season when the whole team was wank anyway. The same lot would have demanded Evra, Vidic or even Ronaldo to be sold after they had a poor start to their respective Man Utd careers.
Jose's signings and those possibly leaving this summer?
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Oh my.. you really don't get it, do you? I don't care how many games LVG gave Rojo or Depay. The topic is on next season and what we can expect.
Here's it for you again:
DDG
Darmian-Smalling-Bailly-Shaw
Schneiderlin-Rooney-Herrera
Rashford-Ibra-Martial
Tell me which 8 of THOSE players are not good enough and would need to be replaced to be a title contender again.
For me, Rashford could be replaced with a pacey winger to get the workload off him and ideally, Darmian is a backup instead of a starter. That's it. The rest is title material if coached by a world class manager and I think you know that too.
I'm waiting for the line from Duncan Castles before I put stock in any reports about who we want to buy.
I'm not saying that other Manchester correspondents or Man Utd watchers don't have a clue, or don't have good sources. Its quite clear that many do have a line into the club, and the nature of some of their stories makes you think that line runs to the highest levels of the club. It is possible though that 'club sources' may have a different perspective to Mourinho himself, and by all accounts its Mourinho who will make the transfer decisions.
Long before Mourinho got the United job Castles seemed to be on his side. I do not think you would be a fool to suggest Castles has some good access to sources close to Mourinho. When Sky and others were saying 'done deal' on Zlatan last weekend, Castles was one of the only journalists to insist Zlatan was still a way off and be 100 per cent certain Eric Bailly would be our first signing. In his write up on Bailly, Castles said Mou has prioritised a centre back, centre midfielder and striker. Until he changes his tune on that I'm not altering my expectations on who we might want.
I'm not saying that other Manchester correspondents or Man Utd watchers don't have a clue, or don't have good sources. Its quite clear that many do have a line into the club, and the nature of some of their stories makes you think that line runs to the highest levels of the club. It is possible though that 'club sources' may have a different perspective to Mourinho himself, and by all accounts its Mourinho who will make the transfer decisions.
Long before Mourinho got the United job Castles seemed to be on his side. I do not think you would be a fool to suggest Castles has some good access to sources close to Mourinho. When Sky and others were saying 'done deal' on Zlatan last weekend, Castles was one of the only journalists to insist Zlatan was still a way off and be 100 per cent certain Eric Bailly would be our first signing. In his write up on Bailly, Castles said Mou has prioritised a centre back, centre midfielder and striker. Until he changes his tune on that I'm not altering my expectations on who we might want.
I don't think we need allot of players to leave, but? carrick, fellaini, young and valencia, should be on the top of the list to leave, herrera and mata both can't stay so one of the 2 I would say has to leave, beyond that I feel jose should build upon this squad, we have signed a CB, hopefully zlaten is on board, if we can get a RB signed, maybe another CB, a CM is defiantly needed. Jose I can't see wanting players played out of position, so fellaini, young, valencia, I cant see staying, blind I can see being a good player to cover the back 4 more I say more right and left back, so blind could still be an asset to our fullback area's.
Listen you spoon. Im not here to answer your questions. I said we needed 8 players gone, you decided i need to pick 8 from your list, go buy a puppy!
I don't see the point in squabbling and name-calling. We all have differing opinions, that is the beauty of football - it brings debate 
Back to Jose and his signings/tactics...
His time at Inter is interesting to analyse. A pretty average first 11 compared to some other teams he's had at his disposal yet he won the league, Italian cup and CL in the same season.
I remember that he liked a 4-2-3-1 system but it wasn't that straight forward:
--------------------- GK ------------------------
---------- CB ---- CB ----- Zanetti ---------------
---- Maicon ----- DM ---- CM ------ LM -----------
---------------- Schneider -----------------------
------Eto'o -------------------------------------
----------------- Milito ---------------------------
Not exactly like the above, but similiar. Maicon (RB) would bomb forward, Zanetti (LB) would tuck in and a lot of the time it would look like a 3-4-3, with Eto'o a right sided forward. They were solid at the back and devastating at counter-attacking. Mourinho generally likes one rb/lb to bomb forward whilst the other sticks to defending. I think in our case, Shaw will be the player to get forward more meaning our RB (Darmian/Valencia) will be drilled to 'tuck in' like Zanetti at Inter. Maybe we bought Bailley for this, to maybe play at RB tucking in next to Smalling & Jones?
I expect us to leave our RB and LB options alone and concentrate on finding a good right sided forward/winger.
Back to Jose and his signings/tactics...
His time at Inter is interesting to analyse. A pretty average first 11 compared to some other teams he's had at his disposal yet he won the league, Italian cup and CL in the same season.
I remember that he liked a 4-2-3-1 system but it wasn't that straight forward:
--------------------- GK ------------------------
---------- CB ---- CB ----- Zanetti ---------------
---- Maicon ----- DM ---- CM ------ LM -----------
---------------- Schneider -----------------------
------Eto'o -------------------------------------
----------------- Milito ---------------------------
Not exactly like the above, but similiar. Maicon (RB) would bomb forward, Zanetti (LB) would tuck in and a lot of the time it would look like a 3-4-3, with Eto'o a right sided forward. They were solid at the back and devastating at counter-attacking. Mourinho generally likes one rb/lb to bomb forward whilst the other sticks to defending. I think in our case, Shaw will be the player to get forward more meaning our RB (Darmian/Valencia) will be drilled to 'tuck in' like Zanetti at Inter. Maybe we bought Bailley for this, to maybe play at RB tucking in next to Smalling & Jones?
I expect us to leave our RB and LB options alone and concentrate on finding a good right sided forward/winger.
I'm aware that replying to you is kinda useless but here's another try without reaching your level of offending and insulting other users.
You said we need 8 players incoming, not gone. I presented you a starting line up which, to me, is a title contending team. So if you think we need many more players to be top again, you have to tell me which of these are not good enough for you.
It's not 'my rules', it's general rules of making an argument.
Not much talk of what budget Mourinho has but I'd imagine he has a huge budget especially given amortisation in this years accounts will have decreased about £12m on last seasons which gives United huge scope for spending big especially if we get rid of Fellaini & Mata. In layman's terms if we were to sell these 2 players we could spend £100m on players with them all going on 4 year contracts and we'd be back at the same level of amortisation as we were in the 2014/15 season.
If need be Mourhino could spend £200m this summer as its available as long as it meant getting rid of a few players too although I don't see him spending that much.
If need be Mourhino could spend £200m this summer as its available as long as it meant getting rid of a few players too although I don't see him spending that much.
he's natural trash. and yes bailly can play RB, if he played ivanovic there than I have no doubt Bailly could play there too
You see, you are just making your own rules for a argument. I clearly stated 'we need to change around 8 players' NOT just buy. I never said those 8 player had to be from the starting 11
With the game we have to play the whole squad are need if we are to push on all fronts, so game time for our 'benchwarmers' is important. These players are to have a big say on on how well we do as the starting 11 cannot play every game!
You have put players in the side that either haven't signed yet or signed around the time i was posting. From the team you have selected, i would change, Darmian-Schneiderlin-Herrera. Rashford should be used sparingly, the last thing we need is to overburden or burn him out. My changes include the benchwarmers as they are important players and my listing the appearances was to show how many games they are needed to be involved in.
DDG
Coleman-Smalling-Bailly-Shaw
Mario-Rooney( i think he has the Defensive & Attacking ability)
Sana-Mata-Martial
Zlatan
Ideally, i would like to replace Mata but i don't see to many changes.
What?
Thanks for going back to discussion-level.
Bailly was signed officially back then so that clearly can be included in plans for this season. On Ibra I'm being pretty confident but it's not done so I'd give you that.
As it turns out, we're not that far off in terms of our wishlist for the coming season.
-Darmian is someone I could live with, backed up by Varela and Valencia.
-Mario is a good prospect but not a need IMO, because we have Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Blind and even Carrick is still around too. Rather than buying a new one, I'm hoping Mourinho brings the best out of at least one of the current ones. Schneiderlin was one of the best CM's in the game 2 years ago, you don't lose that over night I'd assume.
-Sane/Willian/Mahrez or whoever, I agree that a winger is a need for next season. I have stated that before. You can't rely on Depay/Januzaj/Lingard taking huge steps upwards over summer.
-Herrera is the same as Schneiderlin, I think he's a brillant player that can be world class in the right system and position. I'd prefer him over Mata.
Agreed.
This idea of buying half a team and expecting that team to win - it just doesn't work that way.
Generally speaking, if a top team changes 2-3 first team players, they can expect to remain competitive. If they make more changes, then I'd expect a decline.
I expect to see minimal departures (if any). I do expect 2-3 signings, who will probably go straight into our first team.
So, 5 new first team players - half the outfielders should be changed?
You think this is a winning strategy?
Has this ever worked?
I'm reading an article about Diego Milito and there's a quote on what Mourinho said about him after the 2010 CL finals: "... I can't imagine a team without a classic 9"
Such a wonderful music for my ears.
Such a wonderful music for my ears.
Nani---------------------Martial
------------Zlatan-------------
------------Zlatan-------------
I keep reading signings and leavings when i see this thread title 
......anyway:
In: Ibra,Bailly,Varane, Matic, Sane.
Out: Mata, Varela, Memphis
......anyway:In: Ibra,Bailly,Varane, Matic, Sane.
Out: Mata, Varela, Memphis
I can live with that. Im not even sure there is massive quality RB out there anyway.
Ive got a feeling JM is in the market for a CM. On paper we have some good CM but they have let us down over the last season or two. Schneiderlin looks like he can be a world beater as does Herrera but i would want a guy i believe i could count on from the get go so maybe JM will sign a player inform rather than hoping one of ours will find form. Given time hopefully they will come good.
This for me is a must! We have to address the RW position and i agree with the player you listed. Would take any of them.
This is a team i would love to see but after they have bedded in. I don't believe we will make massive changes but i just wanted to show what team i would like.
I hope we don't sell a lot of players. Agreed some aren't up to mark, but we need depth and with Europa League this season, it becomes all the more important to keep hold of some non elite players.
Out: Fellaini, Rojo, maybe Young, Romero/Valdes, Keane
Loan: Wilson, CBJ(don't think he'll get a lot of opportunities this season), Pereira, McNair(to know how good is he, IMO he is decent enough to be a squad player in the future)
GK: DDG, Valdes/Romero
RB: Darmian, Valencia
CB: Smalling, Bailly, Jones, New CB, TFM, Blind
LB: Shaw,Blind
Midfield: Rooney, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Carrick, Schweinsteiger, New CM
RW: New RW, Januzaj, Lingard
CAM: Mata, Rooney, Januzaj
LW: Martial, Depay, Young(?)
ST: Zlatan, Rashford, Martial, New ST(?)/Rooney(?)/Januzaj(?)
Out: Fellaini, Rojo, maybe Young, Romero/Valdes, Keane
Loan: Wilson, CBJ(don't think he'll get a lot of opportunities this season), Pereira, McNair(to know how good is he, IMO he is decent enough to be a squad player in the future)
GK: DDG, Valdes/Romero
RB: Darmian, Valencia
CB: Smalling, Bailly, Jones, New CB, TFM, Blind
LB: Shaw,Blind
Midfield: Rooney, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Carrick, Schweinsteiger, New CM
RW: New RW, Januzaj, Lingard
CAM: Mata, Rooney, Januzaj
LW: Martial, Depay, Young(?)
ST: Zlatan, Rashford, Martial, New ST(?)/Rooney(?)/Januzaj(?)
This the current United squad as it was when LvG left. I added 2 more: Joel Castro Pereira and Ashley Fletcher because they had successful loan spells. They're not my stats. They're whoscored and transfermarkt stats. For example: I have no idea how Memphis managed 3 MotM performances last season. I remember one. The team's best stat looks like pass success % (PS%)!! Six players contracts are up this summer and I've not heard of them signing new ones. Ashley Fletcher will certainly be offered an improved contract but if he decides to leave, he'll walk into a Championship side and the compensation will be £800k or less. I noticed a team like Real would likely sell a player who managed a rating of only 7, or less for more than 1 season! Isco (rating: 7.1) is supposedly being offered in part exchange for Pogba.
PS: Total squad value (transfermarkt) = £316m. Total wage bill (basic) is at least = £114m. I think several of players in the yellow area above should definitely go : Romero, Schweinsteiger, Fellaini, Herrera, Rojo, Young, Memphis. I would not be surprised to see up to 10 of them leaving. If Jose wants to buy new players he will have to clear the wage bill and raise funds for transfers : just like LvG did.
PS 2: I have no idea what the minimum pay at United is so I put it at £2k/week. I may vary by player but I have no way of finding out how much peripheral players are worth.
Here's some kind of measure of how far United are behind. Real have 16 players rated 7.1 or better (their best are Bale, Ronaldo, and Benzema on 8.1, 8.0, 7.7).
Number of players rated XX or better (whoscored rating league!)
--------------- >= 7.1 ---- >= 7.7
Real -------------- 16 --------- 3
PSG -------------- 11 --------- 4
Barca ------------- 9 ---------- 3
Spurs ------------ 10 --------- 1
Arsenal ----------- 9 ---------- 2
Juventus -------- 10
Leicester --------- 9 ---------- 1
B. Dortmund ----- 9 ---------- 1
Man. City --------- 8
Liverpool --------- 8
Bayern Munich --- 8
Atletico Madrid --- 8
Napoli ------------- 7 ---------- 1
Lyon -------------- 7
Leverkusen ------- 7
West Ham -------- 6 ---------- 1
Nice --------------- 6
Montpellier ------- 6
Fiorentina --------- 6
B. M.Gladbach ---- 6
AC Milan ---------- 6
Man. United ------ 6
Zenit -------------- 5 ---------- 1
Southampton ----- 5
Schalke 04 ------- 5
Werder Bremen -- 5
Roma ------------- 5
Monaco ----------- 5
Genoa ------------ 5
Wolfsburg -------- 4
Everton ----------- 4
Chelsea ----------- 4
Caen -------------- 4
Bilbao ------------- 4
PS: Total squad value (transfermarkt) = £316m. Total wage bill (basic) is at least = £114m. I think several of players in the yellow area above should definitely go : Romero, Schweinsteiger, Fellaini, Herrera, Rojo, Young, Memphis. I would not be surprised to see up to 10 of them leaving. If Jose wants to buy new players he will have to clear the wage bill and raise funds for transfers : just like LvG did.
PS 2: I have no idea what the minimum pay at United is so I put it at £2k/week. I may vary by player but I have no way of finding out how much peripheral players are worth.
Here's some kind of measure of how far United are behind. Real have 16 players rated 7.1 or better (their best are Bale, Ronaldo, and Benzema on 8.1, 8.0, 7.7).
Number of players rated XX or better (whoscored rating league!)
--------------- >= 7.1 ---- >= 7.7
Real -------------- 16 --------- 3
PSG -------------- 11 --------- 4
Barca ------------- 9 ---------- 3
Spurs ------------ 10 --------- 1
Arsenal ----------- 9 ---------- 2
Juventus -------- 10
Leicester --------- 9 ---------- 1
B. Dortmund ----- 9 ---------- 1
Man. City --------- 8
Liverpool --------- 8
Bayern Munich --- 8
Atletico Madrid --- 8
Napoli ------------- 7 ---------- 1
Lyon -------------- 7
Leverkusen ------- 7
West Ham -------- 6 ---------- 1
Nice --------------- 6
Montpellier ------- 6
Fiorentina --------- 6
B. M.Gladbach ---- 6
AC Milan ---------- 6
Man. United ------ 6
Zenit -------------- 5 ---------- 1
Southampton ----- 5
Schalke 04 ------- 5
Werder Bremen -- 5
Roma ------------- 5
Monaco ----------- 5
Genoa ------------ 5
Wolfsburg -------- 4
Everton ----------- 4
Chelsea ----------- 4
Caen -------------- 4
Bilbao ------------- 4
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Like that he has started from the back- get the spine sorted and then plug any gaps afterwards.
I agree
8 players is an extreme change when we have no CL football we need to build on not throw players having just signed them, and jose getting carrick to sign a new contract says to me there won't be extreme changes, think he would want a transition of players leaving, and players coming in, and I would expect year 3 he would have the squad totally in place that is his squad, may even be next year when jose has his squad in place. The squad gets such a bad wrap, not considering they went through 2 of the club's worst managers before our time, since we had fergie for nearly 3 decades. I look at the squad, the ones I think defiantly have to go, is? fellaini, and young, apart from that I don't think we need to lose allot of players, but actually strengthen the squad. Lets see more of memphis, lets see lingard getting more games, already bailey on board with zlaten looking like a sure thing.
I think he has to do something with bastian, mata and herrera, what system will jose use? I think the CM jose signs is a huge indication on what system mourinho will use, to be honest with carrick signed, it would be confusing why we would even keep bastian, unless mourinho will rotate the midfield allot, because there is not a chance will he play bastian, carrick, rooney and zlaten in one team, so bastian I think along with mata, fellaini, young, will be on the chopping block
That's why he signed so many new players for Chelsea when he made his comeback.
Rooney in midfield is so over rated. Yes, he can player those long balls to Valencia or doing something special once in a while against a smaller team but a lot of teams we face will sit back and we'll need creative players to cause problems for them such as fabregas, Silva, Hazard or Ozil. Rooney cant dribble or pass the way those guys can.
You're just making excuses for the players by putting the blame on the managers. Both did poorly but a lot of players simply where poor and the managers aren't to blame for that.
If Rashford/martial can do well regularly then there's no excuses for depay, Mata and Rooney who are all older players.
How come the squad done well under Fergie in the 2012/13 season we win the league, yet a year later everyone does so bad we end up 7th, so the manager does have a part to play, or why would managers quiet happily take all the credit when they win? but won't when they lose? What is the saying, you live by the sword, and you die by the sword
The manager has a big part to play without a doubt but the players have a big part themselves both mentally and physically. Robben/Martial have both been decent when playing under LVG but Depay for most hasn't been capable of reaching near there standards under LVG. Do you remember the Norwich game away for home? If so, then you'll probably have seen how Depay lost the ball as soon as anyone got close to him on the wings or Mata/Rooney away at Sunderland. The both gave away some balls for a majority of the game. When the players struggle to even get the basics right, while earning 90k a week they really have to take a look at themselves.
Also, every manager does things there own way. So I can't say why we flopped the year after winning the league.
Also....if we do play him, it should be enough that he plays ok+ for the first couple of games. So long as he doesnt go totally missing, he should be given a run of games.
I love watching him play when he is as good as he can be. Reminds me of Bale.
I love watching him play when he is as good as he can be. Reminds me of Bale.
Well remember ronaldo in 2009 losing the ball against porto in the CL which got them the equalizer, so these things happen, its up to the manager to get those players drilled so they can win these games. Under VG we scored 49 goals, these players are better than what they have been portrayed. If these players can go out there and beat the likes of liverpool, arsenal, city, then they can do far better under a better manager. Christ Bale was available at one point when he was struggling at spurs for 9 million pounds, and look at him now
Ronaldo losing the ball was one moment. While, Rooney/Depay lost the ball countless times last season. The manager takes blame but there's no excuses for players putting very poor performances in.
The players/manager all get paid good money to their jobs so both need to take big parts of the blame whether we win/lose.
In all of our games last season we'd play well for 25 minutes then poorly for the rest of the game. LVG's is to make them perform well for the whole 90 mins but the players, also need to make sure they get the best put of themselves.
Mata is definitely in the first list of possibly leaving this summer. He was clearly not a Jose's type of player at Chelsea and he is also not my type of player. Lack of work rate, lack of pace and lack of physical attribute for any aspect strength and height. One of the most limit player you can ever find. He has a great personality, scored a wonderful goal against Liverpool and his end product is actually not bad but he is so limit and has so many weakness which affects or cost badly for the team. I also don't think Sir Alex rated him high and I remember reading somewhere about sir Alex was talking about Mata's weakness and how he used that weakness to beat Chelsea.
I ain't surprised if Rojo is in the list as well since he's just not good enough as a defender. Fair enough if he spent his times as a left back last season so we have yet enough to see his ability but judging by my first impression on him when he played as a CB in his first season it was still considered awful. And last season what makes me upset so much about him is he can't defend properly during set pieces: for a defender who is tall like him, he can't header the ball properly and always miss it. He loses his man so many times during set pieces poor man marking and lack of concentration.
Daley Blind. There is a rumour that Jose doesn't want him. And I ain't surprised with this too. Blind had a very good season as a centre back but that was because he played in LVG control football. He's such an intelligent footballer but has a lot of weakness. Baily's signing probably shows what Mourinho expected from his centre back.
I ain't surprised if Rojo is in the list as well since he's just not good enough as a defender. Fair enough if he spent his times as a left back last season so we have yet enough to see his ability but judging by my first impression on him when he played as a CB in his first season it was still considered awful. And last season what makes me upset so much about him is he can't defend properly during set pieces: for a defender who is tall like him, he can't header the ball properly and always miss it. He loses his man so many times during set pieces poor man marking and lack of concentration.
Daley Blind. There is a rumour that Jose doesn't want him. And I ain't surprised with this too. Blind had a very good season as a centre back but that was because he played in LVG control football. He's such an intelligent footballer but has a lot of weakness. Baily's signing probably shows what Mourinho expected from his centre back.
Hard to disagree with any of this.
Ronaldo lost the ball countless times in 2009, he was awful in that season. You got a guy in memphis, its his first season in a league like the PL, some learn quicker than others, and he needs a manager that not only knows what he is doing, but has a clear instruction, its a mirracle how anyone performed under such extreme conditins in the way VG set out in that season, and 49 goals says it all. Its strange how he was sacked by Barcelona in 2003, and not long after Barcelona slowly started to climb the ladder, look at their position? The players need direction, if they did not? they would not need a manager. Yea the players are going to know how to perform, when its 433, then its 352, then its 442, then its 451, VG never had any direction on what he wanted from the players, VG truly was a dysfunctional lunatic, who went from one idiotic decision after another, and he self imploded in those 2 season's there. Our winless streak in november December time VG must shoulder allot of the blame, because it was a joke
Not able to understand why people want Darmian sold. He is a quality right back. He started off really strong last year and just seemed to fall into a slump mid-year, but still wasn't terrible by any means, was a bit unlucky with ill-timed injuries. Jose can surely help him stay consistent and with that, we could have ourselves a full-time RB and not have to drop Valencia back there anymore all the time.
Mourinho likes a Full back who is defensive minded and one offensive( Maicon, Ivanovic). Defensive like Azpi for Chelsea, when Ivanovic was going forward. Darmian is already a good defender, who does his defensive duties first, that's one of the reasons why he doesn't go forward all that often. Also, it appears he is not as good going forward either. So Mourinho, will likely play Shaw as his attacker and Darmain as his defensive fullback.
Juve wanted him. Marotta (Juve director) said couple of weeks ago Darmian is one of his targets this summer but since they just signed Dani Alves, Darmian is more likely to stay than leave now unless they decided to get rid of Lichtsteiner. So, unless Mou could use him as a makeweight in a Pogba deal, which seems highly unlikely there is not any reason why he would offload him. He fits the prototype for Jose - fast, strong, good on the ball, and some offensive utility.
Mourinho likes a Full back who is defensive minded and one offensive( Maicon, Ivanovic). Defensive like Azpi for Chelsea, when Ivanovic was going forward. Darmian is already a good defender, who does his defensive duties first, that's one of the reasons why he doesn't go forward all that often. Also, it appears he is not as good going forward either. So Mourinho, will likely play Shaw as his attacker and Darmain as his defensive fullback.
Juve wanted him. Marotta (Juve director) said couple of weeks ago Darmian is one of his targets this summer but since they just signed Dani Alves, Darmian is more likely to stay than leave now unless they decided to get rid of Lichtsteiner. So, unless Mou could use him as a makeweight in a Pogba deal, which seems highly unlikely there is not any reason why he would offload him. He fits the prototype for Jose - fast, strong, good on the ball, and some offensive utility.
You fans who claim LVG is at fault for our below par performances don't even analyse the games before offering you're opinions. You just see us struggling to create and look to point blame at the manager. For example, LVG made a few tactical mistakes away at Arsenal but if you watch the game, you'd notice how easily players such as Rooney/Depay lost ball whenever they wen't on the attack.
Also, away at Chelsea LVG used the right gameplan and the players also, executed it well for most parts of the match then when Fellaini came off the rest of the team couldn't handle Chelsea but we nearly reached the finishing line with three points. But Depay made a poor decision, losing the ball high up the pitch and it ended up with Chelsea going on the attack and Blind not concentrating, which cost us three points because costa scored.
And for you to say LVG doesn't know what he is doing is just you yapping on about something you don't have a clue about. LVG obviously gives the team clear instructions and the players simply didn't execute them well enough.
You can say how Van Gaal gave players no freedom but Martial/Rashford always did something positive with the ball, the same goes for Depay but the difference is the first two mentioned had things coming off for them and Depay simply couldn't. Also, I'm not saying Depay is a bad player. I'm just letting you know a player has to play at the best he can in whatever system he plays in. The manager being poor, is not a reason to accept our attackers losing the ball as soon as The defenders get close to them.
Anyways, I believe Memphis can play well and hopefully he proves his critics wrong next year.
Hmmm, yea playing carrick bastian and rooney in the same team, good going VG which sums up why it was one of many reasons why he got the sack
Players need a system and direction in place, or even the best players cannot perform. Look at Barcelona 2007/08, how can a team look drained of idea's, go from a good footballing side but nothing special, to a year later to one of the greatest sides of all time.
Do I need to explain about the lack of freedom, 49 goals, and oh yes we set a record of not scoring in games. And its called evolving, VG could not put a system in place that suits the players, he puts his outdated methods in place. Ah I have not got a clue about, is it? do you say that to every united fan they have no clue what they're talking about, that only the good old VG only knows, probably why VG could not hack it at his last few clubs like Barca, Bayern and united, only in VG's fantasy world only what he wanted, and his players did not, how did bayern do after VG left? and they know more than VG. I think Zlaten knows a thing or 2 about VG, and he turned out not to be a bad player, did he?
Quite true. You just can't get rid of guys like Schneiderlin in one season. This was their first season. They deserve benefit of doubt. Manchester is a huge step up from Southampton. Plus, there was also the change from Southampton's system to LVG's system of football. We must find out how he performs for Mourinho.
Even Memphis will play better in Mourinho's system (my gut feeling). At least he would not look abominably hopeless, as he did last season. We may get a good price for him.
Look at the things Zlaten said about VG, its a miracle anyone under VG even performed considering how conservative he set us up last season. Our attacking play was practically relegation form
Maybe he's right but that doesn't give Depay, Rooney or any other the excuse to get away with putting below performances often throughout the season. The players can still put in decent individual performances even if they play in a system that they don't prefer.
Depay just got here, rooney has been here for a few years too long
All of this...
There is a reason why Mourinho sold Mata the first time around. If you look at the Chelsea teams of the past he likes big physical teams. Defenders that can defend. Midfielders who work hard, and wingers who are explosive. He also like to have a central striker whom usually carries a physical presence. Of all the players at the club I can see Mata, Blind and Rojo being most at threat. Rojo because he is actually not a very good defender
I have a feeling Jose might end up loving players such as Valencia, Darmian and Fellani due to their physical standing and work ethic
I expect Jose to make his impact felt on the team signings wise. I believe we will see upto 4 new first team players come in, and that is needed based on last years performances
Bailly, Ibra, CM, RW
Combine those signings with the emergence of youth last year and I think we will have a good structure in place to challenge for the title next season