Ok. The point still stands - I don't think Henry played against Alves in the CL? Alves didn't play for Barca while Henry was at Arsenal, and we only played Sevilla once, in 2007 after he left.
Lahm v Dani Alves
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Alves moved to Barcelona in '08, he was owning Henry in 2007 with Sevilla still
I really, really don't care, but you said "I can still recall the way he had Henry in his pocket in CL play." If you were talking a La Liga game when Henry was at Barca than I've misunderstood you, was just trying to figure out what you meant.
No need to be a prick.
Henry didn't play for Arsenal that season, you had already bought him. That's the point I've been making.
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fcbarcaAt his peak you wouldn't get to see a fullback would could influence a game as much as what Alves did. The intensity of his game and his stamina borders on the ridiculous. Then again, Barca's set up allowed him to play more like bona-fide winger than your typical fullback. Nullify him and you could cripple Barca's attack and cause major problems down the right flank. Valencia did it with double fullbacks Alba and Mathieu. Chelsea had Malouda man-mark in the infamous CL semi and I recall Mourinho would have Di Maria onto him in the Clasicos. It really is a testament to his ability as a player if teams are willing to change their set-up and sacrifice players because he is on the pitch.
Brilliant.
He did play in the very same season against Sevilla, for what it's worth. He played for Barca though. I guess many a Barca fan would love to forget it...
That's pretty much how I remember Alves. He was a beast physically. His pace and stamina were very good in his defensive recovery. Not only that, but those two, along with his aggression, helped him become one of the best 1-on-1 defenders in the world when he was at Barcelona. At Sevilla, he was quite immature, but Guardiola did a great job refining his 1-on-1 defending skills. Other than that, though, I do agree, he doesn't have much of a defensive nous when compared to Lahm.
I believe that Alves will be very good in 1-on-1 situations. His issues arise when his team's not settled into their defensive shape and he's required to assess the situation and act upon it sensibly. However, in 1-on-1's, he's tough to get past most of the time.
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First of all, I have to admit I became a Pep fanboi over the years...
Now back to the topic: To me Alves is a perfect example of what Pep can do to players, or rather what he can do with the player material he got.
Under Pep in Barcelona Alves was for several years THE prototypical perfect fullback. I still cannot see anyone playing that specific role any better. But, and that's a big but, in Pep's system a fullback is very rarely challenged defensively. That's simply the result of his system, and the reason why Rafinha, a pretty modest defender himself, nowadays looks like a great fullback at Bayern. And that's also the reason why Pep put Lahm into midfield. Pep believes that Lahm is wasted at FB with his qualities. And he’s right since Lahm has much more to his game than just running up and down one side.
Nevertheless, Alves at his heyday in Barca, only going forward with all his abilities, he was next to Messi and Xavi the most important player of that awesome team. Hence, I would give him my vote for looking better at his peak.
Still, I have voted for Lahm. Simply because he is the better overall football player, the more complete fullback, the better football brain. If we go back 8 years in time, and if I had to pick a player out of the two to start a new team, I would pick Lahm without thinking. Simply because he is better. He is probably the best FB in history. That’s why I voted for him.
Now back to the topic: To me Alves is a perfect example of what Pep can do to players, or rather what he can do with the player material he got.
Under Pep in Barcelona Alves was for several years THE prototypical perfect fullback. I still cannot see anyone playing that specific role any better. But, and that's a big but, in Pep's system a fullback is very rarely challenged defensively. That's simply the result of his system, and the reason why Rafinha, a pretty modest defender himself, nowadays looks like a great fullback at Bayern. And that's also the reason why Pep put Lahm into midfield. Pep believes that Lahm is wasted at FB with his qualities. And he’s right since Lahm has much more to his game than just running up and down one side.
Nevertheless, Alves at his heyday in Barca, only going forward with all his abilities, he was next to Messi and Xavi the most important player of that awesome team. Hence, I would give him my vote for looking better at his peak.
Still, I have voted for Lahm. Simply because he is the better overall football player, the more complete fullback, the better football brain. If we go back 8 years in time, and if I had to pick a player out of the two to start a new team, I would pick Lahm without thinking. Simply because he is better. He is probably the best FB in history. That’s why I voted for him.
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fcbarca is such a tool.
funny last page. ."If you're gonna be arrogant, get the facts straight before saying anything" is the lesson of the day.On topic, peak Alves was mesmerizing, peak lahm is just lahm usually is. It's really hard to call and overall no question lahm is better, but a peak Alves just edges it for me.
He's up there, but I think Cafu was better.
Mes que un smartass.
Sorry to bump. Alves went to another club with massive tactical differences and is tearing the CL up again with two insane assists and very solid defense.
I just feel more and more Marcelo and Alves are not just great, but historically great. Alves blows Lahm out of the water for me.
*edit* Can you please raise my limit of 3 posts? Its incredibly annoying to be quoted and not be able to answer..
I just feel more and more Marcelo and Alves are not just great, but historically great. Alves blows Lahm out of the water for me.
*edit* Can you please raise my limit of 3 posts? Its incredibly annoying to be quoted and not be able to answer..
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Lahm has done it over a longer period and has performed brilliantly for Germany as well, I don't remember Alves having the same performance for Brazil. I'd take Lahm anyday over Alves.
Lahm is of the Gary Neville mold, he's an incredibly consistent, dependable, composed, intelligent, hard working player. He's shown his adaptability and understanding of the game by operating on either flank, and in central midfield. He's tremendously good at knowing his role and carrying out what the manager asks him to do. He isn't a flair player, but he consistently churns out results. Alves is more like Cafu, he has a tremendous engine, natural skill, flair, and is worth more when getting forward to initiate or support attacks, rather than for any defensive contribution. The thing I always liked most about Alves was how he enabled Messi to play more centrally as he'd be so far up the pitch himself that he operated almost as a winger and occupied the spaces that Messi had started in before cutting in. The link-up play between those two was tremendous.
I feel its almost unfair to compare the two players, given their obvious differences in playing style and in the roles they usually carry out. It's more likely to boil down to what you prefer a fullback to be, rather than being able to classify either player as being "better".
I feel its almost unfair to compare the two players, given their obvious differences in playing style and in the roles they usually carry out. It's more likely to boil down to what you prefer a fullback to be, rather than being able to classify either player as being "better".
Considering their different playstyles, qualities, versatility and achievements, I still have to say Lahm.
Not easy to compare them though, but if we just focus on their play at FB, then D Alves for sure have the higher peak in the attacking prowess aspect of the full back position, but Lahm is more all rounded and yes, overall more complete package player.
Thus Lahm have a higher overall peak than D Alves.
really difficult, I rate both of them very high. hmm, I think Alves is a bit better.
I voted for Alves back in 2015, and my opinion had only strengthened since.
True, actually. That's a better comparison.
Alves for me without a doubt. Although, Lahm will go down as the greater player cause of his achievements.
I've never seen a fullback dominate an entire side of the pitch like Alves did at his peak. It was simply ridiculous.
I've never seen a fullback dominate an entire side of the pitch like Alves did at his peak. It was simply ridiculous.
I think Lahm just edges it overall due to his versatility - he can play equally well on either side and also as a defensive midfielder. Alves is better from an attacking point of view, but Lahm is better all round. Not much in it though.
Peak Alves was the best RB of all time. It's just how it is.
Still as funny as it was back then.