Lille v Man Utd

Kader Keita suspended for Lille, good for us.

They might play like this :

Sylva
Chalmé - Tavlaridis - Plestan - Tafforeau
Debuchy - Makoun - Bodmer - Obraniak
Odemwingie - Fauvergue (?)
 
That cnut Tavlaridis(who of course must have learned his dirty tricks at Arsenal) is a bastard for elbowing people. Hopefully Vidic will sort him out if hes close to him. Lille were quite cynical over the 2 legs last year, the way they played reminded me a bit of Greece in Euro 2004.
 
thread starter, the stadium you have listed is wrong

"departed from Manchester airport on Monday morning for the northern French city of Lens.

The team will set up base there for two days as Lille play their Champions League home matches at Racing Club Lens' Félix Bollaert stadium."
 
We will probably start with this team..

- - - - - - - - Van der Sar - - - - -
Neville - Ferdinand - N. Vidic - Evra
Ronaldo - - Carrick - Scholes - Rooney
- - - - - - - - - - Giggs - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - Larsson - - - - - - - - - -

Subs
Kuszczak, Brown, Heinze, O'Shea, Fletcher, Park, Saha.
 
VDS
Neville
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra
Ronaldo
Carrick
Scholes
Giggs
Rooney
Larsson
 
It's going to be our day tomorrow. We're gonna win 2 or 3-0! I agree Larsson is in better shape than Saha but the game's in France and I think that changes things a little bit. Does anyone think this gives Saha an advantage?
 
all the talk surrounds lille's aggressive approach. i think with the likes of evra, vidic, neville and rooney around - we should be okay in the dept.

don't forget, our midfield was unrecognisable last time - whereas it is fully established now.

irrespective of european away form, i will be disappointed if i don't see a performance and result that befits our general form this season.

vds
gaz-rio-vida-evra
ron-carrick-scholes-giggs
rooney
larsson

pretty please 4-4-1-1!!
 
Larsson's experience will help us very much tomorrow. He must stay until the end of the season. Henrik is a superb player and if he stays we will have a great chance on the CL.
 
Feed Me said:
all the talk surrounds lille's aggressive approach. i think with the likes of evra, vidic, neville and rooney around - we should be okay in the dept.

don't forget, our midfield was unrecognisable last time - whereas it is fully established now.
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I do agree, yet it will be a very tough game for Scholes and Carrick. Makoun and Bodmer are very physical, in a different manner. Each time our midfield was put under huge pressure this season, we lost our nerves and our quality of play.

We'll need to be very strong and to keep the ball. We have to win the midfield battle, and this is far from being easy. Anyway, i'm sure that we'll put them into trouble with our speed and passing. We also have players that switch a lot their positions and can play almost anywhere. A lot of movement, unpredictable moves and dribbles...All these things can make the difference for us, whereas Lille will have difficulties to do so without Keita. Everything will rely in attack on Bodmer, and to a less extent Odemwingie ('runs, runs, runs...and shoots in the stands :D ').

I hope we'll have a great game, it's not every week that i can see them live :)
 
We should surprise Lille by playing a 5-2-3 formation:

--------------VDS
------Brown---Rio----Vidic
Neville----------------------Evra
-------Scholes-----Carrick
---Ronaldo------------Rooney
-------------Larsson

NVM.
 
lille's stadium is shite and does not meet UEFA Champions League requirements so the game will be played in the Stade Félix-Bollaert, home of Lille's local rivals Lens
 
think the lad Makoun may cause a few problems, good midfield player
 
I'd go with

Van Der Sar

Neville
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra

Ronaldo
Carrick
Scholes
Giggs

Rooney
Larsson

Subs: PIG, Brown, Saha, Park, Oshea, Fletcher, Heinze
 
We all know Fergie wont play 4-4-2. He has stated that in away games in Europe you need to be conservative and cautious.

I'm hoping for a lot of possession by us and that'll probably lead us to breaking them down with frustration.
 
Jacob said:
We all know Fergie wont play 4-4-2. He has stated that in away games in Europe you need to be conservative and cautious.

I'm hoping for a lot of possession by us and that'll probably lead us to breaking them down with frustration.
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I feel the reason we under achieve in Europe is because we do not play our natural game
Obviously there are certain games when a change in formation may be neccessary but in general I feel that if we played 4-4-2 we would acheive far more success.
We are at our best when teams have to worry about us
 
Jacob said:
We all know Fergie wont play 4-4-2. He has stated that in away games in Europe you need to be conservative and cautious.

I'm hoping for a lot of possession by us and that'll probably lead us to breaking them down with frustration.
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and what system Mr Ferguson did we play in 1999 both home and away? 4-4-2 didnt seem to do us too much harm then.
 
Lot 49 said:
Well that is how we last won the Champions League after all :wenger:
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The game has changed - and what you have to remember about 99 was that we enjoyed a rather substantial slice of luck pie - many times getting through by the skin of our teeth. We shouldnt be modelling our present and future performances on what we did back then.

Part of the reason we change our system is that we do not have a natural defensive midfielder in our ranks - a prerequisite in todays CL - therefore we have to compensate by adding an additional body into midfield occasionally.

If we use the formation correctly - 4-2-3-1 - then we should have no probs.
 
If you have Ronaldo,Rooney,Giggs and Saha or Laarson running at you, you are going to be very wary about over commiting, In my opinion by playing 4-5-1 we are simply taking away our strength. Add to this that we have a great defence and with Scholes and Carrick spraying the ball around 4-4-2 wins every time for me.
 
pete_8 said:
If you have Ronaldo,Rooney,Giggs and Saha or Laarson running at you, you are going to be very wary about over commiting, In my opinion by playing 4-5-1 we are simply taking away our strength. Add to this that we have a great defence and with Scholes and Carrick spraying the ball around 4-4-2 wins every time for me.
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The prob is that a lot of people misinterpret what 4-5-1 is for MUFC - it is actually 4-2-3-1 (and before Plech chimes up there is a difference) - and as long as its done properly there is no problem ie) Roon and Ron being used as inside forwards when we're in posession in their half or when the play is in and around the opponents box and used as wingers when were not in posession (so as to bolster midfield) or needing to to break out quickly from our penalty box on the counter. Giggs is played behind Larsson as he easily capable of floating anywhere at all in the opponents last third but also dropping back into CM if necessary to help out as he is one one the most underrated tacklers in the game.
 
DA2 said:
The prob is that a lot of people misinterpret what 4-5-1 is for MUFC - it is actually 4-2-3-1 (and before Plech chimes up there is a difference) - and as long as its done properly there is no problem ie) Roon and Ron being used as inside forwards when we're in posession in their half or when the play is in and around the opponents box and used as wingers when were not in posession (so as to bolster midfield) or needing to to break out quickly from our penalty box on the counter. Giggs is played behind Larsson as he easily capable of floating anywhere at all in the opponents last third but also dropping back into CM if necessary to help out as he is one one the most underrated tacklers in the game.
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Agreed
And a large percentage of our success is the ability of our players to adapt during a game switch positions etc.
But we are definately better when running at teams I feel that we often sit too deep when playing the 4-5-1/4-2-3-1 and this takes the sting out of our general play.
Although we are very quick on the break in the above named system the space does not appear to be there
 
Lot 49 said:
I agree we need a natural defensive midfielder which is why I've been saying we should buy one for the last two years or so. However we haven't got one and just playing extra bodies in midfield doesn't compensate for that at all imo. I also don't know what you mean about 4-2-3-1, I've never seen us play like that. It's always a 4-5-1 with our striker being incredibly isolated from the rest of the team and inviting the opposition onto us :(
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Well you havent been watching very closely - it has been played numerous times.

Remember the season that Becks left and Scholes scored a bucketload of goals??..... 4-2-3-1

The FA Cup final against the Arse???....... 4-2-3-1 to perfection.

Recent Euro away games....... 4-2-3-1

Ita also been played several times against the harder EPL sides....

The key to Euro success IMHO is having a fluid and adaptable formation and the players to go with it. The above formation is extremely versatile and with players like Rooney, Saha, Ronnie, Giggs and Larsson is has enormous potential and effectiveness for ECL- IF i repeat IF it is used properly.

I always say in defence of this formation is that the best club side IMHO of the last 15-20 years (Real Madrid 99-04) had it as their bible and used it amazingly well becasue they had the fluid and adaptable players to go with it. Th present day Barca also use a similar set up and they do OK for themselves!! In addition you implied that is is and overly defensive formation - that is clearly bollox, it is actually very well balanced thanks to its versatility and anyway were Madrid overly defensive?!?!

The gungho 98-99 style play will fail badly in todays CL, where the clean sheet is king, people forget that in 99 we were by no means defensive rocks and leaked plenty of goals. Do that now and we WILL CRASH AND BUUUUURN.
 
londonredmaniac said:
our away form is poor in europe.
im going for a hopeful 1-1
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Agreed, but it's only poor because of that poxy horrible 4-5-1 formation. One of their best players is suspended and they're not THAT good. If we play 4-4-2 it will be a cracker and we'll out three past them - easy. If we play 4-5-1 iot will be a dull 0-0 or 1-0 either way..........we've all seen it time and time and time again
 
Parks Life said:
I just really really hope Rooney can score in either of the games.

Would shut alot of people up, regarding his lack of goals in the Champions league.
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A goal or two against Lille wouldn't shut them up, they are right to point out his average goal-scoring record in Europe, just as everyone's right when he says that Ronaldo has been a bit average in Europe too.

We need them both at their best to compete.
 
We must not underestimate them. That was our fault last time. They are a small club but that doesn't mean shite. They got a win away at Milan, even though Milan were not playing their strongest side it's not easy to get a result there.
 
R_Devil said:
We must not underestimate them. That was our fault last time. They are a small club but that doesn't mean shite. They got a win away at Milan, even though Milan were not playing their strongest side it's not easy to get a result there.
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Absolutely
But they are no better than say Bolton whom we never underestimate if we play like we did against Bolton tonight there can only be one outcome, they are IMO the tactics required
 
Please God, don't let us play that shite 4-5-1 formation with Rooney completely wasted on the left - madness. :confused:

If we play our usual style in a 4-4-2 formation I've every confidence we can give these frogs a good pasting. ;)
 
Lot 49 said:
I remember those matches your talking about and they were 4-5-1. I don't understand how you can watch our recent European away matches and say we haven't been playing 5 in midfield... it's like someone telling me they don't think the sky looks blue.
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This is exactly what i mean - you cannot tell the differnce between the two - there is a big difference between the 2 formations - if you cant see that then we really cant go much further with this. My point is that the problem has been in the execution of the plan not in the plan itself. I dont have a problem playing slightly more adventurously at home but away is a different kettle of fish...

4-5-1 is what a lot of teams do when they come to OT so as to suffocate midfield whereas 4-2-3-1 is the formation of choice for Barca, the great Madrid side, AC Milan, MUFC in several matches and the Argie and Portuguese national side - only a feckin labotimised goldfish would say there the same...

As you said oh so perfectly.... "it's like someone telling me they don't think the sky looks blue" - it does LOOK blue but it actually isnt remotely....
 
itll be a big midfield battle tonight - ive got a feeling that makoun lad will put up a battle with carrick - will be intresting to see if we out-muscle them or out pass them - i like the latter more...
 
Lot 49 said:
I don't want to be rude but you don't seem to know what your talking about. It's one thing to think that United don't play 4-5-1 (your wrong but whatever) but now your claiming that all these other teams play this 4-2-3-1 formation is just bizarre. I watched just about all of Real Madrid's matches when they were the top team in Europe and it's a fact they didn't play one up front. It was usually Raul and Morientes with occasionally a third striker like Anelka or whoever in a 4-3-3. This was when they were dominating Europe. If you think they played one upfront you either didn’t watch them play or, and this seems more likely, you’ve got it into your head that all teams play this weird 4-2-3-1 of yours and no-one can possibly achieve success with anything else.

Again I don't want to be rude but your posts don't seem to be making any sense.
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Real Madrid at their peak......

-------Ronaldo------

Zidane - Raul - Figo


With 2 deep lying players behind usually Makalele and one other.... 4-2-3-1

And even if im mistaken (which im not) and it was 4-3-3 ..... it sure as hell wasnt 4-4-2 was it you imbecilic feckpiece!!

It seems like i was right only a labotimised goldfish couldnt tell the difference.....
 
Raul and Zidane were switching positions, that was freaking threatening with Raul at his best.
 
im from finland and the only channel that shows CL in finland presents the real-bayern game so does anybody have a clue how I can watch united's game in internet? im looking for good quality video and im ready to pay max. few pounds for it. i already tried in itv.com but it didnt work in finland so does anybody have a solution?

ps. no free streams please as im not sure if its allowed to advertise those here and i obviously am able to find free streams myself. it should also be a lot better quality.
 
Lot 49 said:
Jesus christ. I'm sorry but your just utterly clueless.

Real Madrid won three European cups using a predominantly Raul-Morientes strike force. Three European cups you understand? Then they brought Ronaldo, switched to the formation your advocating and haven’t won it since. These are facts. I'm not giving my opinion on what happened, this is what did happen.

3 European cups with multiple strikers versus 0 European Cups with one and yet you think the one strikeforce team was Real Madrid at their peak. No wonder you think United will do better with one upfront, your barking mad.

End of discussion.
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Idiot....


Real Madrid CL 02 - Casillas; Míchel Salgado, Fernando Hierro (cap), Iván Helguera, Roberto Carlos, Luís Figo, Claude Makélélé, Zinedine Zidane, Santiago Hernán Solari, Raúl González, Fernando Morientes = 4-2-3-1 cuntface

A.C. Milan CL 03 - Dida; Alessandro Costacurta, Alessandro Nesta, Paolo Maldini, Kakha Kaladze, Gennaro Gattuso, Andrea Pirlo, Rui Costa, Clarence Seedorf, Andriy Shevchenko, Filippo Inzaghi = 4-3-2-1 cuntface

FC Barcelona CL 06 - Víctor Valdés - Giovanni van Bronckhorst, Rafael Márquez, Carles Puyol (c.), Oleguer Presas - Edmílson Gomes, Deco, Mark van Bommel - Ludovic Giuly, Ronaldinho, Samuel Eto'o = 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-2-1 cuntafce



Im not denying Morientes played a large part in their success, merely that i believe Ronaldo was and is a better player - maybe you dont remember him and them mauling us at OT??

Real Madrid have NEVER player 4-4-2 as far as i can remember - in fact very few sides use it with any success in the ECL as is demonstrated above. What you forget is that Real also had a couple of Semi Final appearances aagain without 4-4-2!! The last club to win the ECL using 4-4-2 was us and that was by the skin of our teeth!!! None of the above sides are playing 4-4-2, none of them are playing your idea of 4-5-1 and none of the above sides do play 4-4-2 now!! Also when Liverpool won it they didnt play 4-4-2 either!

Your knowledge of how football is played is incredibly naive and you are a feckwit.


To summarise very very rarely do sides that play 4-4-2 win the ECL - NOW IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU MOOSEBRAIN??
 
The Tavlaridis vs Rooney duel should be interesting.
Tight at the back, nick a goal and I am very happy.
 
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