Lingard, Starter, Sub, or cash in?..

With the shape the squad was left in by Van Gaal we can't really afford to shift too many players.

So we should keep Lingard as a back-up, if he improves on last year then great he will be a decent squad option for us. If he doesn't improve then sell him.

Although depending on who we sign i have a feeling that he will be loaned out by Jose.
 
Perrick Dubois said:
Cash in?.. What? He's Mancunian... We ideally should not be selling Mancunian players who are good enough for a squad role (beyond that I have no qualms), they are man-management slam dunks.
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He is not Mancunian. To be described as Mancunian he would have to come from Manchester. He is actually from Warrington.

With the amount of people in here and other threads that describe him as a local lad, i wonder do they all think he's from Manchester as well.
 
stevoc said:
He is not Mancunian. To be described as Mancunian he would have to come from Manchester. He is actually from Warrington.

With the amount of people in here and other threads that describe him as a local lad, i wonder do they all think he's from Manchester as well.
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Furthermore being a Mancunian should not be a reason for keeping him.
 
stevoc said:
He is not Mancunian. To be described as Mancunian he would have to come from Manchester. He is actually from Warrington.

With the amount of people in here and other threads that describe him as a local lad, i wonder do they all think he's from Manchester as well.
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Well, there you go. Still, I will move the goalposts to "at the club since he was 8 years old" that is practically a lifetime.
 
Perrick Dubois said:
Well, there you go. Still, I will move the goalposts to "at the club since he was 8 years old" that is practically a lifetime.
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That doesn't mean he warrants special treatment. If he can't justify himself on the pitch then its no good. Where he is from and how long he's been here means absolutely nothing. Sentimentality won't get us anywhere. If he is genuinely good enough and adds something to the squad fair enough.
 
I think he'll be asking to leave for playing time before we sell him.

Good player to have in the squad. He'll stick around as long as he is getting to contribute, but I don't see him improving enough to be first choice going forward.
 
can see absolutely no reason at all to move him on.

he's a good player who, with the right coaching, could become a very good one
has already had a significant impact in the winning of a trophy
he's young and british
he's a genuine utd fan (and yes this does mean something)
compared to some of the other dross in our squad his place in it should be the least of our worries

when he came into the side last season he had an immediate impact, alongside martial and rashford they transformed us as an attacking force. surely utd fans haven't forgot just how god awful we were going forward before that front 3 started paying together. Oh and that goal btw! an absolute beaut at the most crucial of moments.

also, and i know this has become the biggest caf cliche of late, he looks a jose type of player. hard working, disciplined, no ego etc
 
I'd much rather see the back of Fellaini and Young than get rid of a 23 year old who can still improve. Keep and give him 10 starts plus another 15 or so appearances off the bench. He's a good option to have.
 
Perrick Dubois said:
Well, there you go. Still, I will move the goalposts to "at the club since he was 8 years old" that is practically a lifetime.
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Fair enough mate, but being from Manchester or being at the club for a long time are not justifications for keeping a player who isn't good enough.

Lingard may improve and if he does great he'll be a good squad player, but we have sold better academy players (in my opinion) in recent years and sold better players who were actual mancs also. So Lingard should get no special treatment.
 
Is there any academy player or English player at United that people really like??? Seems everyone is disliked with passion

Rashford probably, but its only because he is still starting. Shaw the jusry is still out considering his average 1st season
 
Bruno8 said:
Is there any academy player or English player at United that people really like??? Seems everyone is disliked with passion

Rashford probably, but its only because he is still starting. Shaw the jusry is still out considering his average 1st season
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People seem to like Fosu-Mensah, Jackson, Januzaj, Rashford etc. in the past a lot of people liked Welbeck, Evans, Fletcher, O'Shea, Brown at different times.

I doubt anyone actually dislikes Lingard it just seems like most people don't rate him or weren't that impressed by him last season. Some go too far in their criticism yes, but some go too far in their praise also. He was decent last season nothing more nothing less, he has to improve next season to cement a place in the United squad.
 
khoazany said:
I saw some on here decided that players like Memphis,Darmian,... will improve under Mourinho but Lingard won't.You're bound to a disappointment.
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I've seen a lot of Darmian at Torino and for Italy, and I was one of those who thought 'why aren't we going for Darmian? He's better and would likely be cheaper' when we were being linked with Clyne last summer, so I have hopes for him settling in and doing better this season.

Anyway, I'm generally not in favour of getting rid of players like Schneiderlin and Memphis after just one season, but it's a bit strange that people who want these players to be given another chance under Mourinho aren't extending the same opportunity to Lingard, not least because he had a better season than any of them.

Jesse has decent pace, can score the odd goal and while I don't think he should be a starter or that he has more potential than, say, Januzaj but there is no point in selling. Over the course of the season, especially with Thursday night football, I can see him proving to be very useful.
 
SomeRandomPerson said:
I've seen a lot of Darmian at Torino and for Italy, and I was one of those who thought 'why aren't we going for Darmian? He's better and would likely be cheaper' when we were being linked with Clyne last summer, so I have hopes for him settling in and doing better this season.

Anyway, I'm generally not in favour of getting rid of players like Schneiderlin and Memphis after just one season, but it's a bit strange that people who want these players to be given another chance under Mourinho aren't extending the same opportunity to Lingard, not least because he had a better season than any of them.

Jesse has decent pace, can score the odd goal and while I don't think he should be a starter or that he has more potential than, say, Januzaj but there is no point in selling. Over the course of the season, especially with Thursday night football, I can see him proving to be very useful.
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This is why I find the dislike of Academy/English players at United so unbearable. You would think people would be more supportive of one of our own
 
Seems like a really nice lad, good head on his shoulders.. works hard for the team and seems to think alot about his game and has enough arrogance about his game to get goals and make things happen. He is not a great player but he is quick, versatile, great stamina and would not make a fuss if he was a bench player.

Keep for now.
 
Red_Aaron said:
can see absolutely no reason at all to move him on.

1. he's a good player who, with the right coaching, could become a very good one
2. has already had a significant impact in the winning of a trophy
3. he's young and british
4. he's a genuine utd fan (and yes this does mean something)
compared to some of the other dross in our squad his place in it should be the least of our worries

when he came into the side last season he had an immediate impact, alongside martial and rashford they transformed us as an attacking force. surely utd fans haven't forgot just how god awful we were going forward before that front 3 started paying together. Oh and that goal btw! an absolute beaut at the most crucial of moments.

also, and i know this has become the biggest caf cliche of late, he looks a jose type of player. hard working, disciplined, no ego etc
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1. Personally I don't think he will become 'very good', His ceiling is respectable Premier League player most likely.
2. Yes he has and I was happy for him, but that doesn't entitle him a free pass forever.
3. He is coming up 24, Don't know why people keep saying this.
4. That is a plus point, but so is James Chester, does that mean we get him back?

He is a Jose type of player in terms of hard work and determination I agree, but unless he has had a sudden upsurge of technique over Summer then he isn't a Jose player in ability.
 
Revan said:
I don't rate him that much, but I think that he has done enough to get an another season. Saying that, I wouldn't mind if he gets sold cause I think that Januzaj and Pereira are more talented than him and given the chance can do better. And likely, there is a single regular place for these three players next season.
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But Januzaj has been underwhelming for two seasons and both he and Pereira both messed about way too much last season. Lingard has been dependable and created/scored some important goals.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
1. Personally I don't think he will become 'very good', His ceiling is respectable Premier League player most likely.
2. Yes he has and I was happy for him, but that doesn't entitle him a free pass forever.
3. He is coming up 24, Don't know why people keep saying this.
4. That is a plus point, but so is James Chester, does that mean we get him back?

He is a Jose type of player in terms of hard work and determination I agree, but unless he has had a sudden upsurge of technique over Summer then he isn't a Jose player in ability.
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"Coming up 24", yes, in the next 6 months. That's just as false as saying he's just turned 23. He is 23, has impressed out on loan and has missed a long period of time just after he first got his chance through injury. He did a decent job last season and the experience will have done him the world of good. He scored the winner in the Cup Final literally last month, so you've not even given him a "free pass" for a month, let alone forever. Besides, what is wrong with having a ceiling of "respectable Premier League player"? You need such players in your squad, and the fact that he's a huge United fan would mean he's more likely to be happy being a member of the squad than some fancy-named flamboyant flavour of the month type player from God knows where would be.
 
I don't think he's good enough, but I do think he'll do as a squad player, for now. You'd assume the more the squad (hopefully) strengthens the less place there will be for him, though.

As long as it doesn't limit the progress of the likes of Rashford and (being optimistic here) Pereira then I don't see why we would get rid, yet.
 
Names don't always matter to me, it's all about application. People slate Lingard but giggle like fangirls at a Bieber concert whenever Memphis tries a dribble, which usually ends up in him falling over. Hardworking players like Ji Sung Park was always slated to but you need these players in your squad.
 
JB7 said:
"Coming up 24", yes, in the next 6 months. That's just as false as saying he's just turned 23. He is 23, has impressed out on loan and has missed a long period of time just after he first got his chance through injury. He did a decent job last season and the experience will have done him the world of good. He scored the winner in the Cup Final literally last month, so you've not even given him a "free pass" for a month, let alone forever. Besides, what is wrong with having a ceiling of "respectable Premier League player"? You need such players in your squad, and the fact that he's a huge United fan would mean he's more likely to be happy being a member of the squad than some fancy-named flamboyant flavour of the month type player from God knows where would be.
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By the time the season starts that will be 4 months away from 24. 'Respectable EPL players' should not be the standard we aim to have at Manchester United, regardless of if they are a supporter of club. If he is happy to play the odd League Cup game from time to time then yeah he should stay, but he should not be valued as a 'must keep player' like some are labelling.
 
Sub. He's a player that works hard, he's versatile, and can make an impact from the bench like we saw in the F.A. Cup final. Would definitely have on the bench.
 
Lingard deserves to be at United more than quite a few of our current squad.

And without doubt local/academy players are more significant. United fans should be well aware of this by now considering all the underperforming mercenary cnuts we've had over the last few years.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
By the time the season starts that will be 4 months away from 24. 'Respectable EPL players' should not be the standard we aim to have at Manchester United, regardless of if they are a supporter of club. If he is happy to play the odd League Cup game from time to time then yeah he should stay, but he should not be valued as a 'must keep player' like some are labelling.
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how many teams have world class players or even good players as bench warmers, you have to have a strong starting 11 and 1 or 2 good players on the bench and some good squad players. We won league titles with respectable PL players like O'shea, Park getting limited time but were always ready when the manager needed them and never moaned. like I said in an ealier post Mourinho failed building a squad when he put the likes of Schuller, Salah and Quadrado on the bench because they know they are good enough to command a starting spot in a EL team or UCL team.
 
No brainer, people talk like he's useless... he's a good solid player. Not quite shown enough to be a regular first team star yet, but valuable squad member i think!
 
flappyjay said:
how many teams have world class players or even good players as bench warmers, you have to have a strong starting 11 and 1 or 2 good players on the bench and some good squad players. We won league titles with respectable PL players like O'shea, Park getting limited time but were always ready when the manager needed them and never moaned. like I said in an ealier post Mourinho failed building a squad when he put the likes of Schuller, Salah and Quadrado on the bench because they know they are good enough to command a starting spot in a EL team or UCL team.
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So out of curiosity, Who in the squads of Barcelona, Bayern Munich or Real Madrid is Lingard better then?
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
By the time the season starts that will be 4 months away from 24. 'Respectable EPL players' should not be the standard we aim to have at Manchester United, regardless of if they are a supporter of club. If he is happy to play the odd League Cup game from time to time then yeah he should stay, but he should not be valued as a 'must keep player' like some are labelling.
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You can't have 25 world class players in the squad. It does not happen and there would be no way of keeping everyone happy, you couldn't even do it in FM2016 never mind real life. Lingard has done nothing wrong and the flak he gets at times is ridiculous. He is still young in terms of his career even if you don't class his age as young. He's perfectly competent, is only going to improve with time and is living the dream of every single one of us. Fair play to the lad.
 
Jesse will definitely improve next season if he gets a fair crack of games. He will be more than a decent player very soon. His only problem is that even if he plays well it will be never good enough for some people because they would rather the expensive imports play even when not playing well or struggling to adapt to PL
 
Squad player/sub.

I see him doing well under Mourinho. He's not a top class player and probably never will be. He seems to have enough skill, heart and commitment to contribute for a while yet. It's like he faces a glut of quality competition at the moment within the squad.
 
Red_Aaron said:
can see absolutely no reason at all to move him on.

he's a good player who, with the right coaching, could become a very good one
has already had a significant impact in the winning of a trophy
he's young and british
he's a genuine utd fan (and yes this does mean something)
compared to some of the other dross in our squad his place in it should be the least of our worries

when he came into the side last season he had an immediate impact, alongside martial and rashford they transformed us as an attacking force. surely utd fans haven't forgot just how god awful we were going forward before that front 3 started paying together. Oh and that goal btw! an absolute beaut at the most crucial of moments.

also, and i know this has become the biggest caf cliche of late, he looks a jose type of player. hard working, disciplined, no ego etc
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Entirely this. I logged in for a change to say more or less the same but Red Aaron has saved me the job, more or less. Feck sake tho, the state of the OP frustrates me. It feels like another excuse to have a veiled dig at one of our own lads and others are only to keen to come in and dump on him. The lad has shown flashes of real quality in his first season in the prem. Why wouldn't we be willing him on and wanting to see him improve further?

All this bollox about Lingard being limited too has just become the latest BS bingo catch phrase to aim at him, like any of us actually know what his limit is and how far he can develop himself. If he keeps improving at the rate he has shown so far, who could complain at that? It's a squad game these days, you need depth and the sort of effort you get from a "local"ish lad and we should be glad we've got him to bolster our ranks IMO.
 
buckooo1978 said:
Local lad and a lot depends on players in and out but I'd be happy to cash in......

he's 23/24 I think and I don't think there's a lot more the kid can offer

very hardworking but lacking any real quality on even a semi-consistent basis (we will always have Wembley Jesse) - statistically created less than a chance a game...

lots of questions to be answered......

  • we have Memphis who has greater potential based on what he's done in the past for Dutch team and in Dutch league - few flashes for us too.....
  • What is the future of Ashley Young in the squad - similarly ineffective last season but was injured/played at fullback lots
  • What is the future of Valencia/backup Right back but RW in Europa League?
  • Adnan.....see above
  • Mhiki - will we play him at 10 or will Rooney-love push him to the right
  • Rashford - we saw how effective he can play wide last season and in a cameo the other night - with Zlatan will he play right some of the time
  • who else will we sign?
  • who else is in the wings of the Youth team
  • Does Jose think he will get more out of Lingard?
in the long term I don't think he's good enough so lets not do another Ando....lets replace him with someone with potential
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You make good points mostly, but it's all hypothetical. We will have the answer to most of these during the season, and i think Lingard can have his say in the matter. If he fails to get in the team next year, let's sell him. Right now, i don't see why he would be behind Young, Januzaj, Valencia in the picking order. Although i have a suspicion Jose might try Valencia back at RW.
 
Will be a good squad player but if we want to be back challenging he is not going to be good enough as a starter in my opinion hope he stays though
 
stevoc said:
Fair enough mate, but being from Manchester or being at the club for a long time are not justifications for keeping a player who isn't good enough.

Lingard may improve and if he does great he'll be a good squad player, but we have sold better academy players (in my opinion) in recent years and sold better players who were actual mancs also. So Lingard should get no special treatment.
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stevoc, I never said that it was though, keep that in mind. I am not arguing that because he has been here a long time he should therefore command a spot due to the fact that he has been here a long time. I am saying that squad players who are settled and come from the local area (or in chicha's case are comfortable and have reached their top point in terms of finding a home at a club) shouldn't be forced out of the club unless they are absolutely stone cold guaranteed to never amount to anything. If they can hold down a squad place and want to fight for the shirt if for nothing else, they should not be pushed out.

They, in my opinion are the easiest to man manage.
 
People forget that he lost 1 year of his development with a knee injury. I wont be surprised if he commands a 1st team spot next season, of course those who dont like him will never agree but Jesse is a very good player. Keep the lad to fight for his spot with the expensive imports and see who is better
 
Squad player for sure. We'll need his energy when closing out games and he can still develop under Jose.

People need to chill out about his local status.
 
I'd keep him. Got an eye for goal and good energy. Squad player perhaps but we need 15 of those, only 11 can start !!
 
Bruno8 said:
People forget that he lost 1 year of his development with a knee injury. I wont be surprised if he commands a 1st team spot next season, of course those who dont like him will never agree but Jesse is a very good player. Keep the lad to fight for his spot with the expensive imports and see who is better
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Agreed. He's solid. He'd sign every single contract we ever put in front of him without looking at the terms.

It's good to see an academy product do well.

We've had the likes of Brown, O'Shea, Fletcher, Evans, Shawcross, Butt, Cleverley, Richardson, Greening in recent years that have been reliable and dependable as squad players to varying degrees. They learned their trade here then moved on to have perfectly respectable careers in the league. Jesse may play 50 games for us, he may play 300, but he's certainly good enough to be given another year here.
 
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