Lingard, Starter, Sub, or cash in?..

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

People forget that he lost 1 year of his development with a knee injury. I wont be surprised if he commands a 1st team spot next season, of course those who dont like him will never agree but Jesse is a very good player. Keep the lad to fight for his spot with the expensive imports and see who is better

Agreed. He's solid. He'd sign every single contract we ever put in front of him without looking at the terms.

It's good to see an academy product do well.

We've had the likes of Brown, O'Shea, Fletcher, Evans, Shawcross, Butt, Cleverley, Richardson, Greening in recent years that have been reliable and dependable as squad players to varying degrees. They learned their trade here then moved on to have perfectly respectable careers in the league. Jesse may play 50 games for us, he may play 300, but he's certainly good enough to be given another year here.

 

[stevoc]

stevoc, I never said that it was though, keep that in mind. I am not arguing that because he has been here a long time he should therefore command a spot due to the fact that he has been here a long time. I am saying that squad players who are settled and come from the local area (or in chicha's case are comfortable and have reached their top point in terms of finding a home at a club) shouldn't be forced out of the club unless they are absolutely stone cold guaranteed to never amount to anything. If they can hold down a squad place and want to fight for the shirt if for nothing else, they should not be pushed out.

They, in my opinion are the easiest to man manage.

Yeah fair enough mate i agree with most of that. LVG got rid of way too many good players who were settled here and would have been good squad options.

Im not Jesse's biggest fan but i do think hes good enough to be a squad player. And hopefully he can still improve and become a better player also.

 

[Ish]

This is why I find the dislike of Academy/English players at United so unbearable. You would think people would be more supportive of one of our own

Are there really some who dislike a player at our club just because they're English/from the academy though? Seen as some of our biggest and most well loved legends (Co'92 being the most recent example) followed that path, it would be a strange stance for anyone to take.

What I've seen are people saying that just because you're English or an academy product, doesn't mean you should be treated by a different set of rules to the rest. Which is a fair point.

I've also seen plenty who doesn't think Lingard is good enough for United.

My stance though, I wouldn't mind him being kept a bit longer (& I'd prefer him kept over Memphis - which has nothing to do with where they're both from, but Lingard seemingly has a much better attitude and had a better season as well), though in the long term I personally can't see him being good enough as a starter. He could obviously be a valuable squad player. I'd love to be proven wrong though.

 

[Scholsey2004]

He'll be a great squad player.

The shit he gets from some on here is stupid, he's a good player.

This. We had the same thing with Welbeck and Cleverley who arent world beaters but on the evidence of what we've seen since they left were perfectly adequate squad players.

 

[LazyBones]

Lingard has proven than he can score goals from midfield. He should definitely be a a player that is in the first team, maybe not always starting but definitely rotated in and out of the starting 11 depending on his form.

 

[Redguern]

We didn't sign Mkhi to sit on the bench so I expect Lingard to compete to be his back-up on the right.

I like Jesse and think he's a hard working player who can still go up another level or two, so we should definitely keep him for potential and squad depth.

The fact that he's home grown and Manc through and through is a bonus!

 

[Raoul]

This. We had the same thing with Welbeck and Cleverley who arent world beaters but on the evidence of what we've seen since they left were perfectly adequate squad players.

Welbeck and Cleverley were Fergie players - as in, they wouldn't be as good under any other manager. Lingard is good enough to make it here.

 

[Red Ryan]

There's definitely a role as a squad player for Lingard but if he's starting week in, week out we won't be challenging for much. He's about the level Kieran Richardson was when he joined us.

 

[Rake]

We should keep him in the first team for sure. He proved his worth last season for me. Even though he might not become a top tier player, he surely has a place in the rotation. He is also young and might step up his game under Jose.

 

[Scholsey2004]

We didn't sign Mkhi to sit on the bench so I expect Lingard to compete to be his back-up on the right.

I like Jesse and think he's a hard working player who can still go up another level or two, so we should definitely keep him for potential and squad depth.

The fact that he's home grown and Manc through and through is a bonus!

This. Dont understand the hostility to players we've produced from the youth set up. They dont all have to be Giggs to be worth keeping.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Ibe just gone for £15 million, so what does this mean Lingard would be worth now if we wanted to cash in?

Not saying I want to sell him, but a few players of value will need to go if Pogba + more are still to come in.

 

[Shimo]

Can we even afford to cash in on him with our current squad and the PL homegrown rule of 8 over 21 players having played for at least 3 years for a league team?

List of players I think we have that qualify are : Rooney, Carrick, Smalling, Jones, Lingaard, Young, Januzaj, McNair, Blackett, W. Keane - the last 3 are likely to have no role in the first team and would probably be leaving soon. So doesn't make sense cashing in. In addition, he does still have that connection to growing up United and last year was his first proper season in the first team - so has room to grow. May not be a superstar but, think he'll be a much needed squad player to have.

 

[TwoSheds]

There's definitely a role as a squad player for Lingard but if he's starting week in, week out we won't be challenging for much. He's about the level Kieran Richardson was when he joined us.

Thought Richardson was about 16 when he joined us? And he was fecking shite when he was 25 never mind 16. Don't remember him scoring any cup final winners either.

 

[djdhrubs]

Sub

 

[flappyjay]

Can we even afford to cash in on him with our current squad and the PL homegrown rule of 8 over 21 players having played for at least 3 years for a league team?

List of players I think we have that qualify are : Rooney, Carrick, Smalling, Jones, Lingaard, Young, Januzaj, McNair, Blackett, W. Keane - the last 3 are likely to have no role in the first team and would probably be leaving soon. So doesn't make sense cashing in. In addition, he does still have that connection to growing up United and last year was his first proper season in the first team - so has room to grow. May not be a superstar but, think he'll be a much needed squad player to have.

Shaw turned 21

 

[MounchesterUtd]

Keep him for the dab celebrations with Pogba. These two together will have the swaggiest goal celebrations in Europe, by far. Poggard

 

[Jaybomb]

100% keep him as a squad player. He deserves to stay. One of our best players last season. He can rotate with Mkhitaryan on the right.

 

[stevoc]

Thought Richardson was about 16 when he joined us? And he was fecking shite when he was 25 never mind 16. Don't remember him scoring any cup final winners either.

So did Lee Martin and he was a squad player for a few years and then got shifted on in his mid 20's.

Richardson was a decent enough player at one point, not good enough for United granted but a decent PL player. Lingard should be kept as a squad option as hes a decent player with the potential to improve and the squad is thin. I'm hoping for a big season from him this year but unless he improves i can see him going down the same route as Richardson in a year or two and being sold.

 

[kenny19]

backup to backup. He isn't quality enough to see out a career.

 

[Mark Pawelek]

Can we even afford to cash in on him with our current squad and the PL homegrown rule of 8 over 21 players having played for at least 3 years for a league team?

List of players I think we have that qualify are : Rooney, Carrick, Smalling, Jones, Lingaard, Young, Januzaj, McNair, Blackett, W. Keane - the last 3 are likely to have no role in the first team and would probably be leaving soon. So doesn't make sense cashing in. In addition, he does still have that connection to growing up United and last year was his first proper season in the first team - so has room to grow. May not be a superstar but, think he'll be a much needed squad player to have.

I think these are homegrown players now at the club (12 of them). The last 5 are club grown as well.

• Michael Carrick
• Ashley Young
• Wayne Rooney
• Morgan Schneiderlin
• Chris Smalling
• Phil Jones
• Sadiq El Fitouri, age 21, dob: 10-Oct-94
• Will Keane, age 23
• Jesse Lingard, age 23
• Sam Johnstone, age 23
• Donald Love, age 21, dob: 02-Dec-94
  
• Tyler Blackett, age 22

They are obviously not all in the 1st team squad. I think another 3 homegrown (+ clubgrown) players (below) are added next January.

• Adnan Januzaj, age 21, dob: 05-Feb-95
• Patrick McNair, age 21, dob: 27-Apr-95
• Luke Shaw, age 21, dob: 12-Jul-95

To qualify as homegrown a player has to be 21 on Jan 1 of the qualifying year.

PS: Schneiderlin qualified as homegrown under Southampton's youth system. That makes him homegrown for any English or Welsh club.

 

[Slavkov]

I really cannot see anything to his game that would constitute him a place in the squad. I really don't. We should sell him as fast as we can...

 

[Mark Pawelek]

It would be possible to sell Jesse without violating the homegrown player rule. Jose wants a 24 man squad but the FA allow a 25 man squad. So we could keep another player officially in the squad but not actually. One of: Sadiq El Fitouri, Keane, Love, Blackett. We could do this but it would be stupid. It might demoralise other U-21 and academy players. So I'm against selling Jesse, even though it's technically possible.

PS: Sam Johnstone will make Jose's 1st team squad.

 

[Mike09]

It would be possible to sell Jesse without violating the homegrown player rule. Jose wants a 24 man squad but the FA allow a 25 man squad. So we could keep another player officially in the squad but not actually. One of: Sadiq El Fitouri, Keane, Love, Blackett. We could do this but it would be stupid. It might demoralise other U-21 and academy players. So I'm against selling Jesse, even though it's technically possible.

PS: Sam Johnstone will make Jose's 1st team squad.

Max is 25. We can register less than 25 but the max of non homegrown/oversea players is 17.

 

[Mike09]

If we cash in how much money we can get? If the cash in is £20m this summer I'll sell him especially for an English player we should ask for a high fee, otherwise keep him this season. He deserves another chance. Still has something to offer for our team. And also some of our homegrown players are getting older now and him being homegrown means I rather have him than waste a £50m fees for Sterling. I reckon if he can score 10 goals this season, I'll keep him again next season, otherwise it's up to Jose.

 

[whatwha]

£10m at an absolute best, surely? This is United we're talking about. We never sell high.

 

[limerickcitykid]

Can we even afford to cash in on him with our current squad and the PL homegrown rule of 8 over 21 players having played for at least 3 years for a league team?

List of players I think we have that qualify are : Rooney, Carrick, Smalling, Jones, Lingaard, Young, Januzaj, McNair, Blackett, W. Keane - the last 3 are likely to have no role in the first team and would probably be leaving soon. So doesn't make sense cashing in. In addition, he does still have that connection to growing up United and last year was his first proper season in the first team - so has room to grow. May not be a superstar but, think he'll be a much needed squad player to have.

There is no such homegrown rule, you don't need 8 homegrown players. This time last year Chelsea and City only had 3.

Shaw turned 21

He was 20 on January 1st so is still under 21.

 

[OldTrevil]

Definitely keep him. I've liked Lingard ever since I first saw him in pre season, I remember thinking he had potential to become a starter and I still do. He may not have Iniesta's control or dribbling skills, but he keeps things ticking with good use of the ball, looks to pass early and isn't afraid to move it forward. His off the ball movement is also good, he's quick and clearly favours playing with high intensity both in attack and defending from the front. I'm obviously not comparing him to one of the best attacking mids of our generation, but I got a sense of Inesta's influence in his game the first time I saw him play. One of the reasons I'm always eager for him to get minutes and see how far he takes the opportunity. I would say so far so good, especially given the nightmare of the past three years and the knee injury that didn't help his development. All in all I think he won't look out of place in a Mourinho squad, at the very least he will continue to improve, gain a thing or two from the established quality around him, and become a very good squad option. At best he will nail down a starting position. I see no reason to sell. That said it's Mourinho's team and I'm behind him whoever he decides to sell outside of DDG, Martial, Rashford, Smalling and Shaw(assuming he's fully over the injury).

 

[Shimo]

There is no such homegrown rule, you don't need 8 homegrown players. This time last year Chelsea and City only had 3.


He was 20 on January 1st so is still under 21.

Far as I know for players over 21 - you have to submit a squad list - maximum of 25 and for that there is the minimum 8 players that fall under the homegrown rule. Guess for Chelsea/City they had submitted less players, so they didn't have to have 8 homegrown. Guess as long as we can get away with just 17 non-homegrown over 21 players and the rest are under 21s or otherwise, then it doesn't really matter.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...gue-s-homegrown-quota-does-actually-work.html

@Mark Pawelek - thanks for the list. I had thought about Scneiderlin but, didn't realize sure if he was here since he was 18 and didn't realize that McNair and Januzaj turned 21 this year.

 

[I_live_cement]

Do you guys even watch football? He runs all day, has decent link up play, is young and home grown, and showed some real moments of quality at some important times last season.

Good option to have in the squad.

 

[trevor newnham]

Surely we have to keep him. He helps with the English quota. He is a good squad player, who will still get chances in the 1st XI through injuries or suspensions. He is quick, can score the odd goal, works his nuts off. Some of you think that we should have a team of 11 Galacticos. That ain't going to happen. We need a squad and , quite frankly, there isn't a lot better than him in the reserves. So keep him.

 

[Bruno8]

People harshly judge him on his 1st season in the PL playing in the 1st Team after being out for a year. Of all the new players playing in their 1st season in PL last season Jesse was probably in the top 5. He will be even better in his 2nd season and will offer more than the expensive signings

 

[RedElf]

Thought he done well in his first full season, topped off with that stunning FA cup winning goal. Showed a lot of promise, great engine and also tracks back defensively. Ok he's not the finished article, but surely worth keeping in the squad to see if he can elevate his all round game.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Do you guys even watch football? He runs all day, has decent link up play, is young and home grown, and showed some real moments of quality at some important times last season.

Good option to have in the squad.

Yes I do.

He runs all day that is right, But me or you could do that if given the chance to play for United. Here we go with the young myth again, By the time the season starts he will be closer to 24 years old. I wouldnt regard that young in football terms.

He had 3 say 4 genuinely good games last season, Which considering he played nearly 40 is quite a poor turn around really.

Before I get labelled a hater yet again, I have faith in Jose's decision regarding him and if he feels he can contribute then great as I do like having homegrown players in the squad. But he shouldn't be given a pass just because of that. I can't see him being here in 12 months personally, But hey I hope he has really knuckled down over Summer and worked hard and his shortcomings to progress as a footballer.

 

[Slavkov]

Do you guys even watch football? He runs all day, has decent link up play, is young and home grown, and showed some real moments of quality at some important times last season.

Good option to have in the squad.

Excuse me mate but which are his qualities? He cannot dribble, he cannot get pass a man,he cannot cross, he does not have vision, his creativity is too low his technique is pathetic. The only thing he does is running around without purpose and was lucky to score 2-3 goals in the 30-40 games he took part in a very very poor United side. Yes he maybe a squad player for Boro but not for United gunning for the title.

 

[SoCross]

If we are looking to sell Lingard based on last season's performance, we should probably sell Young, Memphis, Rooney, Herrera, Schneiderlin, Jones, Rojo, Darmian all before him.

His emergence was one of the bright spots for me. I can see him improving further as well so definitely should be kept as a squad player. It's like people don't actually watch him play.

 

[Ephrem]

I think Depay , Darmian , Rooney , Fellaini and even Herrera needs to be sold before thinking about selling lingard . He is hard worker and he will improve when the team around him improves . People want him to improve the team which just wont happen because he is not that players . But he is dam good squad player to have as he can play anywhere across the front three providing pace ,energy and good moments here and there . We dont have anybody with that flexibility. He will become more consistent as time moves

 

[Percy17]

He's 23 when will he be ready? We can't wait forever in the hope he will come good. He isn't good enough at 23 for a team that placed 5th he isn't going to suddenly become good enough for the level we want to be at.

I guess you didn't watch the league last season did you.

 

[OzKangarooney]

Excuse me mate but which are his qualities? He cannot dribble, he cannot get pass a man,he cannot cross, he does not have vision, his creativity is too low his technique is pathetic. The only thing he does is running around without purpose and was lucky to score 2-3 goals in the 30-40 games he took part in a very very poor United side. Yes he maybe a squad player for Boro but not for United gunning for the title.

He has decent off the ball movement, he pops up in space around the box a good amount and his defence from the wing is not too bad either

 

[SSSSnake]

I really cannot see anything to his game that would constitute him a place in the squad. I really don't. We should sell him as fast as we can...

Not his energy, work rate and the odd goal from midfield?

We need squad players like Jesse.

 

[red4ever 79]

With a 5.5 rating on the caf and a 6.7 rating on whoscored is enough to indicate to me that this guy is not at the level for us. There is no reason why he cannot forge a good career for himself at a lower level PL team, but he will never be more of a squad player if he stays under Mourinho