Pereira is more of a CM . Januzaj has more potentail but lets see whats jose plans with him . Depay's situation doesnt look good anyway .
Lingard, Starter, Sub, or cash in?..
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Pereira is more of a CM . Januzaj has more potentail but lets see whats jose plans with him . Depay's situation doesnt look good anyway .
Cash in , but for a real fee that equates to his promise and current skill set, not our usual £3million to Everton or Sunderland!!
Lingard is one of those players that doesn't do anything flashy or cool (with the FA cup goal being the exception because that was flat out incredible), but he just works hard and gets the job done. If you want to be a successful, top level club then you need players like Lingard in your squad. They all can't be world class players.
I think Mourinho will use him shrewdly as a sub and will be effective.
I think Mourinho will use him shrewdly as a sub and will be effective.
Agreed, I think he is a very smart utility player and has proven his intelligence in the final third. I think he will flourish under Mourinho.
You're right about him being a smart player. His intelligence is actually one of his best attributes. I really like his attitude too. He has that in built confidence that was the mark of a United player but seems to have left the club in the last 3 seasons.
Mate, when you start comparing Lingard to Gary Neville, Sheasy, and Brown, I think that this discussion is totally finished. I really have no idea what to say to that...
Looked like he had a decent understanding with Mkhitaryan from the highlights yesterday. Both made quite clever runs it seemed.
What was the fantastic thing about him? He only had one moment when he shot after a one-two and you are talking like he is a terrific player that is going to "flourish" under Mourinho. Honestly I really do no understand what you are seeing in him. He is an average player at best that will finish his career playing for Wigan... As I said I may not be right. Only time will tell...
Cash in please
He's a home grown Park Ji Sung and I mean that as a compliment. Hard working, versatile midfielder capable of the odd great moment and content (it seems) to be on the periphery at times.
Every successful team needs one of those guys in the squad.
Keep. Sub.
Every successful team needs one of those guys in the squad.
Keep. Sub.
Some people seems to think if an academy player doesn't make it to the WC level, they should be sold. All players are useful guys.
I never compared Lingard to them, i mentioned them because you said all top teams have high quality squad players. Isn't always the case.
Then what are you doing if not comparing them? Mentioning them in the same sentence as Lingard is really unrespectful... The only reason I find is comparing them in the late thirties to a player in his early twenties. I really do not understand you logic. Nevertheless thank you for your opinion but this discussion is going nowhere.
I really like him as a squad player. Not everyone cares about this but it always feels better when they are our academy players.
Unfortunately though I will always remember acting like a minge on the bus at West Ham.
Unfortunately though I will always remember acting like a minge on the bus at West Ham.
My logic is you can win trophies with squad players that are not Isco and Solksjaer. I don't know how you are getting so confused.
Agree with this, useful squad player, and a very hardworking one too. Feel that Mourinho will see him an asset.
If Ibe is worth £15m, Lingard is easily worth £25m.
What has januzaj or Memphis done to warrant lingard to go below him in the pecking order. Even in his best 13/14 season januzaj scored 4 and assisted 6 which isn't all that different. Plus even if he isn't playing well lingard puts in a good shift and helps defensively. Which the other 2 barely does. He doesn't do many step overs and tricks like the other two but that counts for nothing if there isn't end product.
Sub. We play a lot of matches, we face a lot of injuries. He has experience of playing in the PL now, and would be an useful squad player. It also feels good to have academy grads playing for the club. Like him even though he is limited and not going to be a regular starter ever in my opinion.
At the moment he looks a better prospect that Memphis. He's hard working tracks back and always shows for the ball. He lacks consistency with his end product but that will come with time. I think his willingness to press and track back will make him a good option in Jose's eyes as he likes his players to work for the team.
Perfect squad player, home grown, youth product, works hard.
Not sure why people don't want him here tbh.
Not sure why people don't want him here tbh.
The opinions seem to have improved following a pre-season friendly against Wigan...
Absolutely, mate!!! I cannot get you. I think he has a fair chance of winning the Ballon d'or this year. Such a player, such technique, such 45 minutes against Wigan when he touched the ball 3 times. By the way if he weren't an academy graduate I doubt he would be even playing in the Premier League...
It would be great if his attributes were outstanding passes and crossing the ball OR scoring goals. As it is he hasn't mastered any of them.
He can get better at these things so I think we should keep him.
He can get better at these things so I think we should keep him.
Which is exactly what I said. What part of 'nowhere near that level' is unclear? Lampard was one of the PL's best ever players. You don't need to educate me about him.
Jesse, on the other hand, has the raw ingredients, similar to what Lampard showed at West Ham. He'll probably never reach the leave latterly achieved by FL but he's also already shown a huge improvement after his first season.
The fact he's about to sign a new deal probably suggests Jose believes in him too.
I like how you put "flourish" in quotation marks even though I didn't say anything like that. Have you ever considered a career in journalism?
Did I say he would flourish under Mourinho? Do I think he should be first choice at a club like United? Certainly not. But he is a really useful player who can do a great job as a squad player through a long season.
Don't listen to his Jibba jabba. Not worth the time.
He isnt a player that should be in the starting eleven, lets face it he is 23 and not really United quality if being harsh. Also is he a particularly useful sub as he isnt somebody you are going to bring on to change a game? That being said he would be a very useful squad player used in rotation, would he be happy with this though as Welbeck wasnt and I would much rather have had him as a squad player.
I think he would be a good player in a mid table team, and he would benefit more playing games. When I think of him I think of a similar level with Nathan Redmond, good talented player but not good enough for one of the big sides. Just because he is home grown through our academy and at our club, we shouldnt look at him with rose tinted glasses.
I think he would be a good player in a mid table team, and he would benefit more playing games. When I think of him I think of a similar level with Nathan Redmond, good talented player but not good enough for one of the big sides. Just because he is home grown through our academy and at our club, we shouldnt look at him with rose tinted glasses.
Should start.
I like Jesse, not only is he from the Academy but he is also a quality player. Starter all day long
I like Jesse, not only is he from the Academy but he is also a quality player. Starter all day long
I don't understand why would people sell him.
- he's one of a very few players who can play on the right wing (IMO only behind Mkhitarian, and we still don't know where he'll play)
- homegrown and probably on low wages
- puts in work defensively
Good lord
I don't think I've ever seen a post from you on here where you weren't grossly overrating an academy player.
Blimey people really have got it in for him haven't they.
He's got ability and he's young. He's homegrown and seems to be carrying the Manchester United spirit that I don't see in many players these days. Forget the fact he scores goals from the wing, is one of our quickest players in a very slow team... He also shows aggression and tenacity. He's also improved dramatically with game time, who's to say he won't get better still?
Why anyone would want to sell is beyond me.
He's got ability and he's young. He's homegrown and seems to be carrying the Manchester United spirit that I don't see in many players these days. Forget the fact he scores goals from the wing, is one of our quickest players in a very slow team... He also shows aggression and tenacity. He's also improved dramatically with game time, who's to say he won't get better still?
Why anyone would want to sell is beyond me.
What jibba jabba? This is a thread asking for our opinion on Lingard. Mine is that he is nowhere good enough to be in our squad and that we should sell him right away as he is a very weak footballer. Obviously yours is totally different. Fair enough only time will show whether I am right or wrong but I respect your opinion, everybody is entitled to have one.
Nevertheless I have been watching my beloved United and football altogether for 25 years and I do not remember a successful team to have such a player in their squads who gets more playing time than playing in the league cup or some matches without any fire in them. I can point to Greening, Richardson, Wallwork, Mulryne,Healy etc.He is such a player. He can get some playing minutes for us but one cannot rely on him to influence a game and one cannot expect him to get in a gamr when we need a result or to start a game against West Brom without the team being too weak with him in the starting eleven. The best he should get is some playing minutes in the cups. I respect your opinion but totally disagree with it.
The whole squad bar Martial, De Gea, Smalling and Rashford should be sold then on last season. I'm disappointed in a fellow red that can't see his potential and written him off so easy. He had one break through season and showed glimpses of brilliance. He certainly has a great attitude and I like his spirit. I trust he'll improve under Mourihno.
Thanks for the discussion mate. I really don't mind him proving me wrong, I will be very happy for him...
Keep as a sub. Let's see how he gets on this season before casting him aside.
Like Jesse a lot, so hope it works out for him.
Like Jesse a lot, so hope it works out for him.
Lingard could well develop into a very useful squad player but if he is a mainstay in the side then i don't see us winning much. He's just not at that level yet and probably never will be..
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Been iterated many times already here but we'd be mental to get rid. Not because he's a world beater, but because he won't act like a little bitch when he doesn't get game time, and will do a job when it's required of him. Doesn't make many mistakes and is passionate to wear the shirt. They're the sort of guys we want in the dressing room.