Maybe Im having a "wooosh" moment here but if you are serious, Allen has been a major disappointment at Pool. They are playing better without him and even the joke Henderson is improving to the point where he is almost as good as Allen for them.
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Maybe Im having a "wooosh" moment here but if you are serious, Allen has been a major disappointment at Pool. They are playing better without him and even the joke Henderson is improving to the point where he is almost as good as Allen for them.
I don't think he is being serious.
Allen hasn't been great but was hampered by a shoulder injury last season, has been out with hamstring problems so far this season.
You are right though he hasn't been great so far, whether he does better when he is available again who knows, we do lack quality in midfield but probably need a stronger more powerful type of player in there.
All of your midfielders are pretty average in my opinion, players who should be back up really. Gerrard is declining, Henderson is showing some form but not enough to be good enough for a team hoping for top. Lucas is a fouling machine and good at breaking up play, someone who compliments him would be a good addition to the squad. If you're up there come January, I'd expect a very good midfielder to sign.
We lack any flair unless Coutinho is playing, but yes we are a bit pedestrian, I think the manager suggested that a little after Saturday's game , we just cannot control games for long periods.
Hopefully it's something that is looked at as we can't get top 4 with our current midfield, we also don't score enough goals from there.
Henderson has done well this season, especially as he often gets moved into different positions game by game, but the other teams who I suppose will be challenging for 4th have better midfields than we do.
Gerrard hardly gets forward at all now, but I assume that's the role he is being asked to play.
Doubt Schneiderlin will leave Southampton tbh. He is a very good player though. I'm in the minority of United fans who is getting worried about Liverpool... I hope the others are right and you guys drop points soon
No way we are challenging for the league, not even sure on top 4 but, we will make the most of our decent start for sure!
I don't think that you will challenge for the league either.. But I still get uncomfortable at Liverpool being above us in the table at the end of the year. Unlikely, yes. However, until we get things right, I'll stay worried.
All hail our new Scouse overlords!
I for one have always admired their disciples' ability to turn a 3-1 defeat by Aston Villa into a veritable Greek chorus of woe and epic proclamations of forthcoming vengeance!
You getting into literature now? Sounds impressive but makes no sense whatsoever.
Maybe not you but a lot did.
It went right over his head.No, what normally happens is that one person on RAWK posts it as their opinion then it gets repeated ad nauseum on here as if it's gospel. No Liverpool fan who doesn't feature somewhere high on the spectrum has expected us or to win or been confident of winning the league for a long long time.
njred is that you?
sorry to disappoint.........
No true Liverpool-fan.
Threads technically outdated now anyway.
We should update the thread title as Liverpool's league position fluctuates.
It's a bizarre scenario as you get so used to hearing about them being on the up, so what now ?
I have a few mates who could be poster boys for RAWK. That's what I base it on.
Careful, the Liverpool fans on a United forum will come down on you like a tonne of sponge if you make these assumptions.
This thread will get progressively funnier as the year goes on.
There's a fantastic opportunity for those of you who don't feel Liverpool have the credentials to finish in the top 4 to put your money where your mouth is & cash in on our current 'boom' position before we hit our inevitable 'bust' cycle. To lay (bet against) Liverpool finishing in the top 4 on Betfair, it's only standing at 2.2 at the moment. Bearing in mind that before the end of the year we have got to play Arsenal, Everton, Chelsea, Spurs, City, all away from home, it's more than likely we'll drop quite a few points from those games, thus pushing up the price. So if you were to lay Liverpool for £200, your liability would be £240. If, as expected, the price goes up to something like 4.5, you could back them for £100, which would leave you with a guaranteed profit of £100 regardless of whether or not we do eventually finish in the top 4.
Easy money. Get on it now.
Easy money. Get on it now.
I have a score on United being ahead of Liverpool by the end of November. I put this bet on the day before west Brom beat us. 
My brother is RAWK.
I'll say what I say to every punter I come across in my travels. "Never bet on Liverpool, especially don't ever put them into your multi."
Why not bet on Liverpool to lose?
Because they will win. The amount of times angry punters curse Liverpool is really a phenomenon. So I just say 'don't bet on them and don't put them in your multi it's suicide'.
The first few posts in this thread never fail to tickle me?
In truth, without the distraction of CL or EL football, Liverpool could spend some time hanging around in the top four.I am not sure there squad is strong enough to keep them in the top four and they are unlikely to have the money the strengthen in january but it's looking better for them.It's interesting also how quiet Liverpool fans are.Perhaps they're genuinely confident they can achieve something and don't want to jinx it?! They have some tricky away fixtures and no Coutinho for a while yet so that'll be a big test for them.The signings they made in the summer have not shown they can add anything more to an eleven that is much improved on last year but lose Sturridge or Suarez and they'll struggle to score.
We aren't genuinely confident as the comments in this thread reflect.
I don't know what the transfer plans are in January but I wouldn't be surprised if we added a player or two.
You are right about Sturridge and Suarez, but you could say that to a degree about other teams being reliant on key players. I disagree a little that our summer signings haven't improved our team, Sakho, Mignolet and Toure have given our defence a more solid look. Moses has also added more quality on the flanks.
It will be interesting to see the team formation once we have a fully fit squad.
Actually you're right about the Mignolet and Toure.They have improved you but not majorly.I have not seen enough of Sakho as yet although he did ok against us.I was thinking more the others.Aspas,Alberto and maybe Moses.Just an opinion mind.Your team has started well and the caution i was referring to was more aimed at Liverpool supporters i work with.
Together Suarez and Sturridge are a real threat and if you can keep them fit and firing for Coutinhos return I see a serious challenge for the top four.Once again you have only the league to focus on and a lack of strength in depth should not hinder you barring bad luck with injuries.It will be interesting if you can get the squad fully fit!
Aspas was bought as back up to Suarez, yes he hasn't really shown that much yet apart from a decent outing against Stoke.
Alberto looks a better prospect and will be interesting to see how many games he gets with no Europe or Carling Cup football.
The new formation the manager is playing looks likely to suit Johnson perfectly when he returns, Cissokho is fully fit again and Coutinho should be back soon too.
I don't think we are strong enough in midfield to get top 4, but guess time will tell.
We'll definitely spend in January. Coutinho will most likely only miss two more games as well. You don't think Mignolet, Toure, Sakho and Moses have improved us? I'd disagree. Alberto and Ilori haven't had a chance yet. Aspas is the only one who looks poor.
Jury surely has to be still out on Toure. He has been.. "solid" enough. Though he has gotten away numerous shirt tugs in the box that should have been penalties. So I will commend him on that.
Not really sure where you're getting this 'decent' against Stoke. He was awful.
This time last season (October-ish):
1. We had a new manager in his first season, introducing an alien type of football to our players (we were comfortable with hoofball)
2. We spent big on Borini and Allen, and still had the likes of Cole, Carroll and Downing lingering
3. Downing never, ever got injured
4. Henderson didn’t have a clue what role he had under Rodgers, neither did Rodgers
5. Reina, Skrtel and Agger had dropped us plenty of premier league points by this stage (Utd, City, etc) – see 1. above
6. Suarez was our ONLY saviour – and he’d just returned from the Olympics with almost no pre-season
7. Lucas was on the form of his life to get a season long injury at this stage
8. Gerrard was still playing Hollywood balls, despite our new way of playing (old habits, etc)
9. We hadn’t hit double figures in premiership points
Now:
1. Utd, City and Chelsea are in the same position we were last season (new manager, new playing style)
2. Players are more comfortable in Rodger’s tactics (either 4411, 352 or 4231)
3. Borini, Carroll and Downing sold, replacements are somewhat better (Moses on loan for a start)
4. Henderson is a driving force, covering for both Lucas and Gerrard
5. Mignolet, Toure and even Skrtel have saved us numerous possible dropped points
6. Sturridge has been our ONLY saviour this season…but we still have Suarez…and Coutinho
7. Gerrard and Lucas still a concern, not cost us yet…see 4. above
8. Almost double number of points this season compared to last, however tough run of fixtures now to come
9. We have scraped close wins but not peaked. Johnson, Coutinho and SAS yet to play together
This isn’t a cry to winning the premier league or even finishing top four confidently. It’s an assessment of why we had a shitty run last year and the quiet good job done by the board, the ex-Man City scouts and Rodgers (Brenton to you lot) thus far. Had we actually signed Mkhitarian or Diego Costa God knows what would have happened.
1. We had a new manager in his first season, introducing an alien type of football to our players (we were comfortable with hoofball)
2. We spent big on Borini and Allen, and still had the likes of Cole, Carroll and Downing lingering
3. Downing never, ever got injured
4. Henderson didn’t have a clue what role he had under Rodgers, neither did Rodgers
5. Reina, Skrtel and Agger had dropped us plenty of premier league points by this stage (Utd, City, etc) – see 1. above
6. Suarez was our ONLY saviour – and he’d just returned from the Olympics with almost no pre-season
7. Lucas was on the form of his life to get a season long injury at this stage
8. Gerrard was still playing Hollywood balls, despite our new way of playing (old habits, etc)
9. We hadn’t hit double figures in premiership points
Now:
1. Utd, City and Chelsea are in the same position we were last season (new manager, new playing style)
2. Players are more comfortable in Rodger’s tactics (either 4411, 352 or 4231)
3. Borini, Carroll and Downing sold, replacements are somewhat better (Moses on loan for a start)
4. Henderson is a driving force, covering for both Lucas and Gerrard
5. Mignolet, Toure and even Skrtel have saved us numerous possible dropped points
6. Sturridge has been our ONLY saviour this season…but we still have Suarez…and Coutinho
7. Gerrard and Lucas still a concern, not cost us yet…see 4. above
8. Almost double number of points this season compared to last, however tough run of fixtures now to come
9. We have scraped close wins but not peaked. Johnson, Coutinho and SAS yet to play together
This isn’t a cry to winning the premier league or even finishing top four confidently. It’s an assessment of why we had a shitty run last year and the quiet good job done by the board, the ex-Man City scouts and Rodgers (Brenton to you lot) thus far. Had we actually signed Mkhitarian or Diego Costa God knows what would have happened.
I think you've taken over from cuntofallcunts as the go-to Mr Negative on all things LFC related. It's like you think it makes you a better United fan or something.
The only jury still out on Toure is the one in your head and it's not just for what he brings us on the pitch. We were worried about losing the character of Pepe and Carra in the dressing room in the summer but everything I have seen and heard about Kolo since his joining had been overwhelmingly positive. He just oozes charm & charisma and has a permanent smile on his face. Whether he plays every game or not between now and the end of the season (I think he'll play the lion's share) he has been a terrific signing.