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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Has to have been a mistake. Maybe he meant 47 or 48 which would be impressive on its own.
Don't give him excuses Irscone. He meant what he said. He's a Liverpool fan, it's what they do.
The boom bust cycle is a bit delayed this year. We are in November and they still think they have the best team in the all of humanity. They should've started "busting" by now.
10 would be a good haul from that. I'd take it.
I think 12 is doable without breaking into amazing territory though. Spurs side, they are all winnable. Hull away and then home games against Norwich, West Ham and Cardiff are games we should be flat track bullying.
If we do take 12 points, we can lose our two away games to city and chelsea and go into the second half of the season on 36 points, having already played Everton, Man city, chelsea, Arsenal and Newcastle away from home. I'd fancy our chances of riding home top four from there.
At any rate, 12 points from the next seven games in December would be fine by me. Obviously rather we take some of the points from other top six teams, but I'd be fine with taking them from flat track bullying as we have so far.
Had a look at the the other top six besides Arsenal to see how many points they can expect in December:
Chelsea have us and soton at home, Arsenal away and otherwise sunderland and stoke away as banana peels (palace and swansea at home should be 6 easy points). They have a Cl game and league cup games, but placement is kind on them. I expect 16 points from them in their next 12 games.
City have wba, soton and fulham away and us and arsenal at home to slip up at with 6 easy points at home vs palace and swansea. Their home game against Arsenal is just after playing Bayern away though (and before that soton away), so it won't be easy. I predict 17 points from them in December.
United have spurs, stoke, Hull and norwich away and home games against newcastle, everton and west ham. December is where Moyes sinks or swims I feel as this is where you should be clawing back into contention. If Moyes swims, I predict 16 maybe eveb 18, points in december.
Spurs have fulham, soton and sunderland away and home games against united and liverpool as their tricky fixtures. Home against WBA and stoke should be easy 6 points If AVB can make them hit their best form they could take well 15 points from it.
Arsenal have Cardiff, City, West Ham and Newcastle away and home games against Everton, Chelsea and Hull. I think 15 points is there for the taking.
This is assuming everyone is in good form without hitting an outrageous streak or tanking in december. That would give us a league table after December with 19 games played of:
- Arsenal 43
- Chelsea 40
- Man City 39
- Man United 37
- Liverpool 36
- Spurs 35
For good measure I suppose I should include soton but december is really where they fall away.
They have Chelsea, Everton, Newcastle, Cardiff away and home games against city, spurs and villa. I think they will be happy to escape december iwth 9 points, leaving them with 31 points after 19 games and well out of the top 4 race.
They have Chelsea, Everton, Newcastle, Cardiff away and home games against city, spurs and villa. I think they will be happy to escape december iwth 9 points, leaving them with 31 points after 19 games and well out of the top 4 race.
And of course, Liverpool FC december assessment 
Away games against Hull, spurs, city and chelsea. And three winnable home games against norwich, west ham and cardiff. 12 points is what they can reasonably expect from december.
edit: Looking a bit hopefully at it: our toughest games are the two last games of december away at chelsea and city. If we have raked in 12-13 points points by then we'd be going into those games with a rather good form curve (especially if we can take a point from spurs - WDWWWDW) and a league position where we'd probably still be sitting in 2nd place - we might just be able to snatch some extra points on sheer momentum and gravity of the league situation by then.
Away games against Hull, spurs, city and chelsea. And three winnable home games against norwich, west ham and cardiff. 12 points is what they can reasonably expect from december.
edit: Looking a bit hopefully at it: our toughest games are the two last games of december away at chelsea and city. If we have raked in 12-13 points points by then we'd be going into those games with a rather good form curve (especially if we can take a point from spurs - WDWWWDW) and a league position where we'd probably still be sitting in 2nd place - we might just be able to snatch some extra points on sheer momentum and gravity of the league situation by then.
Calm down B20. West Ham and Cardiff won't be as easy as you are thinking. Sure Hull/Norwich are 6 easy points. After that maybe 3 each from WHU/Cardiff.
Wasn't a typo or a mistake. I don't think we'll win the league as we drop too many points against the top teams, but 54-57 points against the bottom ten is doable. We are the definition of flat track bullies.
That means you have 20 games, in which you drop only 5 points out of 60.
You drew away at Swansea, who are bound to finish bottom half, so that's 2 points gone already. Newcastle might well finish bottom half too, so that's another 2 right there.
So you're down to 56 already, in November.
I hate to say it, but you've got a post here that will be quoted for years to come.
I believe United did in 08/09, but before that, no idea.
I think Swansea may finish bottom half, but I doubt Newcastle will. Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Chelsea, City, Everton, Spurs, Southampton, Newcastle and Swansea I think will end up being the top 10.
It will be remembered as a classic post, and will be one of the favorites for the best/worst post of the year.
I honestly believe he's rubbish at maths.
Man, stop smoking whatever you are. The kinda record you mentioned is title winning form, assume your position and have the balls to say "We're gonna win the league".
You're splitting hairs here. You're not getting 55 points from 20 games against anyone in this division.
54-57 points.I'd love to see Gerrard as a centre half
Time to update the fantasy football then.
Anywhere inbetween that would be a fair return for that Liverpool squad
Oh Barney your not just off your head, your heads fell completely off. I've quote saved the post for future ref.
If Sturridge is injured, then all bets are off.
Will certainly make things harder. His & Suarez' guaranteed goalscoring output has been key when it comes to consistently beating the weaker teams.
I hope he's OK. Liverpool being good makes things a little bit more interesting.
He's one of our three or four most important players and if the injury is correct he could be out for 2 or 3 months. That's not minor.
So you're saying that your prediction on the previous page of 57-58 points against the bottom 10 (since downgraded to 54-57) was completely dependent on no injuries to your 3 or 4 most important players?
Unfortunately, the Premier League operates in reality.
Yes, it was dependent on a largely injury free run. I don't see how that's unrealistic. If Carrick or Rooney or Van Persie went down for the season your expectations for United wouldn't change?
Eh, we're currently without Carrick until after the new year, without Van Persie until God knows when (given he's had the same toe/groin problem all season), have been without Vidic for good parts of the season too. Rooney is our only top 3-4 player who has been injury free.
What you're implying is that Liverpool cannot cope with injuries to their top 3-4 players, which is the whole point. A squad that cannot cope with injuries will never get 57-58 points against the bottom 10 teams.
Ofcourse it would for a Liverpool fan.
I don't think Sturridge out will hurt them as much as many will make out. Sure, he will be a miss but I think they will go to a 4-3-3 and probably cope, they don't have the hardest fixture list coming up.
No, we only have to go to White Hart Lane, Etihad and Stamford Bridge in december. It's a cakewalk.
feck me Barney, i thought you were one of the better scouse football posters but with your recent comments in this thread I'm starting to wonder about you mate.
You seriously think it's realistic to assume you'll go through an extended period in the PL basically injury free? Especially considering you're theory is based on getting points from teams that have what could be termed slightly more "agricultural" players on the pitch?
As for your second line above, I know scousers get upset when we mention history, but have you not noticed the injury problems we've been beset with in recent years, but that hasn't stopped us doing what we do?
Your upcoming fixtures are Hull, Norwich and West Ham. Not the hardest lot of games.No, we only have to go to White Hart Lane, Etihad and Stamford Bridge in december. It's a cakewalk.