No team can defend like Chelsea for 90 minutes.
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No team can defend like Chelsea for 90 minutes.
Liverpool over achieved no question. With Europe to focus on and much more fan pressure than this season, I can see them slipping down the league somewhat. I constantly hear self proclaimed wise owls aka Liverpool fans saying their is no chance of this as the squad is going to be improved and they will kick on and build. What they forget is their foundations are not solid as they have a average manager (despite him currently riding high in the approval ratings on the back of their one off good season) and a squad that is very young and could fold if the seasons starts badly.
If I was a betting man the value next season is to bet on them to finish outside the top 5 as the bookies like the media think their going to improve and frankly I just don't buy into it at all.
If I was a betting man the value next season is to bet on them to finish outside the top 5 as the bookies like the media think their going to improve and frankly I just don't buy into it at all.
Only because the next day was giro day.
You couldn't defend like them for 12 minutes against Palace.
Liverpool had a brilliant league campaign. That's a given. But what their fans don't seem to realise is that the type of momentum they built over the last couple of months was extremely rare. That run of wins, 12 on the bounce was it? That is not something likely to be repeated next season. Especially if they're juggling other games in Europe/FA Cup.
It's going to be tougher for them next year to win the league. That's a given imo. Therefore this year was a golden opportunity that was, essentially, missed.
It's going to be tougher for them next year to win the league. That's a given imo. Therefore this year was a golden opportunity that was, essentially, missed.
Yeah, and this 'we go again' saying that they're all spurting out really sums it all up. They only had the league to concentrate on, so they 'go again' fresh as a daisy. That's not going to be the case next season.
They completely blew their chance.
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Of course hindsight makes this easy to say but there are so many differences between that Utd side and this Liverpool one. The Utd side was led by Ferguson. It had the best keeper in the world with a solid back 4 in front of him. The missing ingredient was Cantona.
Perhaps Suarez is your Cantona and you will do it differently, sorting out the back 5 instead. But either way, this season was a glorious opportunity for you.
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The same Ferguson that was a failure (barring a small European trophy) and was given the same treatment as #MoyeOut at the time?
The same Ferguson that was a failure (barring a small European trophy) and was given the same treatment as #MoyeOut at the time?
sums up their season
Which is why I specifically said "Hindsight" because we now know Ferguson turned out to be the best manager of our lifetime. Although I will say, back then, he'd done a lot more than you try and suggest. He worked miracles at Aberdeen. Winning league titles and a European trophy that seen him beat Bayern Munich and Real Madrid along the way. That's a hell of a lot more than Brendan trophyless Rodgers has done so far.
Apart from that, what I said is true. There is a big difference between the Utd of 1992 and this Liverpool team. (not to mention the level of competition these days.)
Of course it was a glorious opportunity, the best one since we won the title in 1990. But that's not to say there won't be others in the future. We've hit 80 or more points 4 times over the past 13 seasons, & finished runners-up 3 times. So it's not totally beyond the realms of possibility that we'll eventually accumulate more points than the other title challengers over a full season. & I'd argue that this current Liverpool side is more advanced than the United side of 92. But of course, none of us never knew what impact the 'class of 92' was going to have on the future of Manchester United, just in the same way we don't know if Rodgers can progress us to the point of being England's best.
Our new away kits look boss. Brad Jones has looked bad and Aspas has looked a fecking world beater (maybe). Ibe and Smith linking nicely.
Great run by Smith.
Great run by Smith.
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12 wins out of last 14 with a variety of performances, formations and opposition tactics. The one thing that was so significant in those games was the versatility of the team and how the shape changed to deal with different challenges. The defence was obviously a weakness and nothing to do with a lack of alternative ways of playing. Of those 14 games only 1 team stopped Liverpool but to use that game rather than the other 13 to draw a conclusion is simplistic in the extreme.
What the hell was our plan B anyway? Couldn't even execute plan A.
I think it's cute how they keep telling us how happy they are, like it's so important that everyone knows how happy they are. Happy happy happy. Definitely not gutted about pissing it away. Happy.
We'll know when you're truly happy lads, because you won't need to tell us (and yourselves) every 5 minutes.
The Yellow one? I saw pictures of it today. Have to admit, it looks quite nice.
Anythings better than the Christmas jumper one
You need to work on depth now as well.
It's all well and good having a good first XI but especially being in CL now you will need that depth.
The Utd squad of 92 was one player away from domination. Liverpool aren't close to the same level.
I think he is nowhere near the standard required but I think they will bring back and use Borini.
I don't see Liverpool missing many, if any, of those players listed.
Out of interest though how has Cissokho performed, and would Moses be worthy of a permanent deal?
Edit: I don't mean Agger and Lucas in the above.
Out of interest though how has Cissokho performed, and would Moses be worthy of a permanent deal?
Edit: I don't mean Agger and Lucas in the above.
I heard some good things about Suso on his loan spell. I saw one match where he looked alright too. Why would Rodgers not want to keep him?
Cissokho has been bang average. He's solid defensively, but offers absolutely nothing going forward.
Moses has been abysmal. Absolutely shocking for us.
I don't want to see him leave either. Brendan might be trying to bring in money or he might feel we're overloaded in his position.
Especially if the Lallana deal goes through I would assume.
Whilst they may not be missed as talent, they will be missed as bodies, ok some like Aspas are so bad you're better off with 10 men, but premier league and champions league I'd a squad game now, if Liverpool only have kids underneath, they will really struggle to give a break to their first 11.
That's exactly what Valencia fans said about the guy. Even a makeshift failure left back in Andres Guardado benched Cissohko there. Apparently he costed Lyon 15 million euro
Cissokho was the guy who didn't get signed by Milan because of his teeth, after busting onto the scene at Porto.
As Barney has said Cissokho is far too average for a top 6 club. Would do well at clubs below that. I believe Moses has the ability but with a really poor attitude. A Chelsea fan warned me about that back in September and we all saw it for ourselves. If a player can't lift himself while on trial on loan, then there's no hope for him when he's on a paid contract.
I'd actually like to keep Borini out of all those names. He isn't the required level but could play a part now he's been premiership-pressure-hardened at Sunderland.
I watched 4 or 5 full Almeria games becuase of Suso. Each time, other than the game against Barcelona, I was totally underwhelmed. He might improve under Brendan's leadership but next season we don't have time to babysit players. His lack of pace and at times lack of endeavour has gone against him. And I actually had Januzaj-level of hope for him.
I'd actually like to keep Borini out of all those names. He isn't the required level but could play a part now he's been premiership-pressure-hardened at Sunderland.
I watched 4 or 5 full Almeria games becuase of Suso. Each time, other than the game against Barcelona, I was totally underwhelmed. He might improve under Brendan's leadership but next season we don't have time to babysit players. His lack of pace and at times lack of endeavour has gone against him. And I actually had Januzaj-level of hope for him.
Don´t like them but you got to praise Porto´s ability to do business. Bought him for 300k from Setúbal sold him 6 months later for 15 million euros to Lyon. Laughing all the way to the bank. Tbf Cissokho also fooled me, i thought he would become a very good player.
Totally different times though, or so I'm told. The Premier League is considerably stronger now, & a lot more competitive, than it's ever been.
There's a lot to be said for loan deals. We've dodged a few bullets with the likes of Cissokho, Sahin, & Moses.
Yep, many lessons were learned post CHAD.
That Utd was comfortably better than this Liverpool team. Just look at the players United had at the time and compare them. Schmeichel, Irwin, Bruce, Pallister, Ince, Giggs, Kanchelskis, Hughes. Few in the Liverpool squad get close to that level.
A United fan lost a bet with a Liverpool fan on who would finish higher in the league. This is how he paid up
I thought we'd just blown the best chance we'd have to win the title in many years. I felt sick to my stomach. We then started the next season very badly with two losses and an edgy 1-0 win away to Southampton. Then Dion Dublin broke his leg. It was looking very bad at that point.
Thank Feck for Cantona!
So when the likes of Bruce, Pallister, Ince, Kanchelskis, Hughes, & Cantona, were tearing up the Premier League in the early days, where/who were the latter day equivalents of Hazard, Suarez, Aquero, Silva, Gerrard, YaYa Toure, etc ?
The United players I named above were good players playing in a very mediocre league. You can't compare like for like, because today's competition is by far & away much, much, stronger than it was 20 odd years ago.
How many are you expecting to buy this summer?