LVG is deluded, completely full of shit. I don't listen to anything he says anymore.
Louis Van Gaal | 2015-16 Performance Thread
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LVG is deluded, completely full of shit. I don't listen to anything he says anymore.
We will see if Scholes rocks up on Tuesday. But if it's true LVG needs to look closer to 'home' at Giggs and Rooney - I may be wrong, but I feel sure those two are doing subtle damage behind the scenes.
LVG though, needs to get his ass in gear and speak to his team, get them motivated and on his side and stop using Rooney et al to 'control' the dressing room - that is crap and is partly causing the issues. He needs to loosen up on some of this way of thinking and be more flexible when it comes to interpersonal relationships with the team.
There's nothing wrong with the philosophy, its just that we suck at it.
I could not agree more, blaming the players is ridiculous. LVG is the problem and he needs to leave immediately.
If things stay like this then it's best we move on in the summer, no point in giving him more time or letting him spend anymore money.
Yes, I get that - and so do I, for that matter. But LVG won't stick around for ages no matter what happens. To my thinking we're in the - ahem - process of building a new team, one hopefully capable of both winning trophies and providing a bit of general entertainment. I believe that LVG has the right idea about what sort of players we should bring in - for me everything he's done on the transfer front has been good-to-excellent from a rebuild perspective (yes, we could have, say, kept RVP - but that only seems so because our attack is so bloody lackluster, getting rid of him was the right call in principle).
If we were to actually sack him now the likeliest result would be that Giggs takes over. I doubt the majority of those who now shout "LVG out!" are thrilled at that prospect. It's all well and good to fantasize about Ancelotti coming in and turning us - the exact same group of players, mind, at least until January - into a swashbuckling attacking machine. It's pure fantasy, though.
How is it that City, Arsenal and Chelsea (last season) can 'get away' with one holding midfielder and a much more attack-minded CM partner, as part of a midfield two, yet LVG believes we must persists with two very deep midfielders? It doesn't make sense.
Exactly. The guys vision is shocking. Plus completely contradicts the clubs dna. Plus the idea of employing him to steady the ship after moyes could easily backfire with this Rooney love in, leaving the dressing room feeling hard done by.
This is what Lahm wrote in his book:
“We almost fell apart defensively… Van Gaal’s system focused only on possession, but never ball desire… We lost the ball for a variety of reasons and made it easy for our opponents to get goalscoring opportunities… I talked about my concerns with him often, but he always decided for what he felt was right. And he didn’t have any doubts in either himself or his system… A modern trainer needs to lead his team, but he can’t bind his players against their will to a style that the team isn’t suited to… A tactical system is ultimately only as good as the players can carry it out, and the great art of a modern trainer lies in the ability to devise a system that is suited to their players. Consistency and reliability are marks of a team in which every player knows their responsibility and what their personal strengths can bring to the system… Our defense had neither consistency nor reliability… Every pass had to focus on possession, and every possession of the team the players had to, through their own individual creativity, create a goalscoring opportunity… Even the goalkeeper wasn’t allowed to pass long, but rather had to open the game up forwards with a controlled first pass.”
“We almost fell apart defensively… Van Gaal’s system focused only on possession, but never ball desire… We lost the ball for a variety of reasons and made it easy for our opponents to get goalscoring opportunities… I talked about my concerns with him often, but he always decided for what he felt was right. And he didn’t have any doubts in either himself or his system… A modern trainer needs to lead his team, but he can’t bind his players against their will to a style that the team isn’t suited to… A tactical system is ultimately only as good as the players can carry it out, and the great art of a modern trainer lies in the ability to devise a system that is suited to their players. Consistency and reliability are marks of a team in which every player knows their responsibility and what their personal strengths can bring to the system… Our defense had neither consistency nor reliability… Every pass had to focus on possession, and every possession of the team the players had to, through their own individual creativity, create a goalscoring opportunity… Even the goalkeeper wasn’t allowed to pass long, but rather had to open the game up forwards with a controlled first pass.”
It's shocking. He has turned us into a defensive turtle.
So you could say he isn't structuring his system to the players he has? Rather he is trying to get them to play a system they aren't capable of playing. Also from that, for all he says he listens to the players, he listens but doesn't change his strategy even if it isn't working.
He did lead them to a CL final and a league title with, I'd say, a fairly weak Bayern side. They certainly weren't much better than us now. So his system(s) can work. I don't know. Maybe the players just aren't cut out for it.
More and more I think Van Gaal is clearly the manager that's great for younger players, a team that's lost it's way and a team that needs to remember the fundamentals that will get you 80% of the way to success.
I just don't think he's the manager to actually win anything.
I just don't think he's the manager to actually win anything.
Because unlike the teams you mentioned, we don't have a strong firepower, we have to rely on a solid defense. At least we think we do.
He had different players, plus he had a Ribery and a Robben and a Muller. We have none of them. The defensive side is working to an extent, but some of it is down to DDG and like most teams get sometimes, a bit of luck.
Those arguing that results are the only important thing, this is what Louis himself just before the Arsenal game
Source : http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/03/louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-title-arsene-wenger
Source : http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/03/louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-title-arsene-wenger
As much as I'm not particularly impressed by LVG right now, I do think there are a lot of kneejerk, reactionary posts based on our last three games. If we now get a couple of wins, I expect this thread will suddenly have a massively different feel to it again.
Exactly my thoughts, and that's why I was glad to see him sign for us, we needed someone to reinstall those fundamentals but now we need someone else.
I think our attack would instantly go up some levels if we adopted systems more like those teams - especially City and Arsenal.
Since LvG has joined, most of our fans have said "he will prove how good he is once he gets the squad he wants". It's now midway through his second season and he has had the support of the board to buy who he wants basically and our football is no better.
Their doesn't seem to be this supposed philosophy that he always refers to. Our players seem inhibited under his management, the likes of Herrera and Schweinsteiger unable to fully express themselves. The persistence with Rooney is mind boggling as well, his form is terrible and he needs dropping with Mata moved inside.
Their doesn't seem to be this supposed philosophy that he always refers to. Our players seem inhibited under his management, the likes of Herrera and Schweinsteiger unable to fully express themselves. The persistence with Rooney is mind boggling as well, his form is terrible and he needs dropping with Mata moved inside.
Even if we ignore the alchemy built by our opponents with time, we do not have the same quality players by players, positions by positions.
Giroud is a better goalscorer than Martial.(based on past achievement)
Aguero is a better striker than Martial.
Sterling is better than all our wingers.
Alexis Sanchez is better than all our wingers.
Ramsey is as good as Mata.
Ozil is better than all our #10 options.
De Bruyne is better than all our players.
Silva is better than all our players.
I agree with all the critics aimed at LVG but we need to comeback to earth and look closely at our roster, we do not have a top roster, it's a pretty good roster and an other manager could definitely make us more pleasing to watch. But the other managers will have to take some drastic decisions like dropping Rooney and Herrera/Mata, for some of our youngsters and pray that they can actually score goals in the PL because if you play adventurously you have to score otherwise we will lose regularly. It's not a mystery why SAF was always after guaranteed goalscorers.
I'm not saying our attack is as good as those teams, I'm just saying it would improve if we played like those teams. Which it would. There are plenty of teams with weaker attacks on paper that are much better at attacking than us.
And where are they on the table?
I have to ask why you think so? Seen a few mention this and I'm not saying you're wrong, but if Rooney really is finished at this level why would Giggs or whoever else continue playing him? Your less likely to succeed and make your job even more difficult.
We've been mostly mediocre since the beginning of last season. I can only remember a few very good performances during his reign. We would not have got 4th place had it not been the form of De Gea. Fans were only patient expecting him to turn performances around. He's now mostly got the personnel he requested and still no signs of any great improvement in playing style.
I'm a big torn right now. Like some posters have mentioned this criticism has come from the last 3 matches. But we really are awful to watch and there has only been flashes of brilliance with LVG, nothing for a consistent period. We are still in transition but its always one step forward two steps backwards.
The rooney situation is starting to get out of hand, I mean he's trigger happy with the likes of Ander, Mata and Memphis. Neither of the 3 have played worse than Rooney so its becoming really frustrating.
The rooney situation is starting to get out of hand, I mean he's trigger happy with the likes of Ander, Mata and Memphis. Neither of the 3 have played worse than Rooney so its becoming really frustrating.
One of them is ahead of us. One of them is one point below us.
Are you saying the only way we can consolidate a top 4 position is by persisting with this dross?
'Cause I don't buy that for one second. We could play better, we should play better. A bit more adventure and we'd have beaten City and Newcastle.
I'm just completely lost in thinking how he can spend £250 million but assembled such a poor team
Pretty much this. How can our forward line be so devoid of talent after spending all the fecking money.
No, I'm telling you that you don't build your team around your weakest link, if you intend to finish high in the league. I mean you do realize that for LVG the mission is to end high in the league, even I, who pretend that the style is primordial, will ask for his head if we don't finish in the top 4.
He should go if we finish below 3rd.
IMO he has made some fecking awful decisions and if we fail to get top3 it is his fault. Squad is so fecking light because of the choices he has made.
I'm not saying build around our attack. It's pretty obvious that we're set up too cautiously. It's plain and clear, and it's a big failure on the manager's part.
People were questioning our football even when we were squeezing results too.
The response then was "But we are winning, it doesn't matter"
He is responsible for his choices, but at the same time he had to replace way to many players, and the club is responsible for that. You can take the club that you want and you will see that the transfers success rate is closer to 50% than 100%. You can't let all your key players decline at the same time, you have to gradually replace them when they are still good players, look at Carrick now that he is past it we have to bring Fellaini on.
Yes, we spent 250m but every fans who follow football knows that in 2 or 3 years, it will be confirmed that at least 100m were thrown through the windows.
Fair points, but it wasn't really what I was saying: for all the negativity, it'll soon be gone if we win our next three league games and are suddenly two points off top again. The attitude to LVG seems to change constantly in threads like this. We've been a bit shite lately, but there's still been definite improvements from the Moyes era.
It's such a waste we've had heavy funding these last few years but not taken advantage of it, we should've used that funding to build a brand new quality spine to our team, keeper is no issue obviously but £50 million a piece for a new CB, a new midfielder, a new winger and a new striker and we would be sorted now.
Give them a couple of seasons to adapt Then these next few windows would be used to build off them.
Jesus why can't United give me the managers job
I have the answers!!Having to replace ADM is entirely his own fault.
What is the point of that remark? I already said that he was responsible for his choices, it's literally the precedent sentence.
becuse it becomes "habbit" to give him another chance.. Fergie wanted him out and spotted he was on decline. Moyes decided to give him monster contract while he didn't desrve even the third of it.. Van Gaal naturaly won't write of player of his reputation when he's 29, he surely didn't see all his games past 5 years to say how he declined... the next mnager will surely want to try his things wth Rooney too. If Van Gaal stays three years I am sure the third year he will try to drop him or even sell him if he's sane butif he's sacked now, another manager won't surely do such big decisions like selling dropping rooney.. Rooney know giggs t's his friend. He was kinda naive when he took over from Moyes for 4 games he turned it around and played Young and Valencia in worst of forms, also gave chance to Lawrence and Wilo but he stick to experienced players first which Rooney is.. so we must only hope Giggs will surprise us or Va Gaal gets rid off Rooney asap..
D'you think crowd will go against his captain? I don't go to games so I don't know what's the mood at OT but I heard how they are behind their manager. But booing Rooney from its crowd could be good to start with, well it was fans who cried to play Rooney in his natural positions up front and the gaffer heard it..