Louis Van Gaal | 2015-16 Performance Thread

Van Gaal: The verdict

  • 1) Sack him now.

  • 2) Sack him at the end of the season.

  • 3) Let him see out his contract and part ways after that.

  • 4) Extend his contract.

  • Undecided (between 1 and 2).

  • Undecided (between 2 and 3).

  • Undecided (between 3 and 4, if things improve before his contract expires, extend).

Results are only viewable after voting.
JPRouve said:
What is the point of that remark? I already said that he was responsible for his choices, it's literally the precedent sentence.
Click to expand...

In relation to having to replace players, you said the club was responsible. RVP ADM Januzaj Nani Kagawa Wellbeck were his own choices. The fact that some of those are pacey attackers when he keeps moaning about not having pacey attackers, well thats his own fault.

EDIT: I'm not saying that some of those players shouldn't have gone. But what did he replace them with? Because we really lack pace in forward positions.
 
Cassidy said:
In relation to having to replace players, you said the club was responsible. RVP ADM Januzaj Nani Kagawa Wellbeck were his own choices. The fact that some of those are pacey attackers when he keeps moaning about not having pacey attackers, well thats his own fault.

EDIT: I'm not saying that some of those players shouldn't have gone. But what did he replace them with? Because we really lack pace in forward positions.
Click to expand...

At the exception of Kagawa and Januzaj, all the other players deserved to leave, Welbeck refused to not be considered as an important player, Di Maria never wanted to be here, Nani and RVP are past it.
And we spent the 250m on the entire team, and that's the problem we had to replace Evra, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evans, Rafael, the midfield.

Basically we are a work in progress, LVG did his job and I think that he should let someone else take care of the finishing.
 
m1y2 said:
D'you think crowd will go against his captain? I don't go to games so I don't know what's the mood at OT but I heard how they are behind their manager. But booing Rooney from its crowd could be good to start with, well it was fans who cried to play Rooney in his natural positions up front and the gaffer heard it..
Click to expand...
not one for booing our own players, but i dont think us yelling at Louie to play Wayne as a "number 10" or "bench him" will do anything to change Louie from playing him where he wants. The only way things will change, be it him getting sacked or realising Wayne just isn't a 9, is if we keep having 0 shots on target and the fans start booing Louie - but not the players. They're doing what they've been told to do, that includes Wayne
 
JPRouve said:
At the exception of Kagawa and Januzaj, all the other players deserved to leave, Welbeck refused to not be considered as an important player, Di Maria never wanted to be here, Nani and RVP are past it.
And we spent the 250m on the entire team, and that's the problem we had to replace Evra, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evans, Rafael, the midfield.
Click to expand...

If you require pace in attack, no need to get rid of Nani or Wellbeck. Also if you don't bring in a striker to replace him, no need to get rid of RVP either.

RVP > Wilson
Wellbeck > Lingard
Based on last season Nani def isn't past it

I am all for getting rid of players, but who did we bring in to replace the attackers we got rid of.
Even getting rid of Hernandez in the summer was just plain stupid.

As for DiMaria well I am sure if LVG didn't feck around with him, he would have been happy here. But if you get rid of a 60m pacey winger, surely you don't do that unless you already have got a fecking replacement.

I know there was a major rebuild job to do, but IMO he has made some stupid decisions.

Wellbeck Kagawa Nani DiMaria Januzaj Hernandez RVP Januzaj out to be replaced by Martial and Memphis - WTF did he expect was going to happen.

Like I said before, the issue isn't letting players go, its doing it and NOT replacing them, that is just fecking stupid.
 
would you sack him if ancelotti was available right now ? Hell would you "exchange" him for klopp? I think most would say yes.
 
m1y2 said:
becuse it becomes "habbit" to give him another chance.. Fergie wanted him out and spotted he was on decline. Moyes decided to give him monster contract while he didn't desrve even the third of it.. Van Gaal naturaly won't write of player of his reputation when he's 29, he surely didn't see all his games past 5 years to say how he declined... the next mnager will surely want to try his things wth Rooney too. If Van Gaal stays three years I am sure the third year he will try to drop him or even sell him if he's sane butif he's sacked now, another manager won't surely do such big decisions like selling dropping rooney.. Rooney know giggs t's his friend. He was kinda naive when he took over from Moyes for 4 games he turned it around and played Young and Valencia in worst of forms, also gave chance to Lawrence and Wilo but he stick to experienced players first which Rooney is.. so we must only hope Giggs will surprise us or Va Gaal gets rid off Rooney asap..
Click to expand...
Maybe I'm naive here but I think he'll be dropped and if it's Giggs taking over we're probably 18 months down the line, thats a long time in football.and if Rooney doesn't resemble a football player by then, he wont play and is possibly gone. You think any new manager will play with someone so obviously done? It's only to their own detriment.
 
Cassidy said:
I know there was a major rebuild job to do, but IMO he has made some stupid decisions.
Click to expand...

And that's the key, it's because of the size of the rebuilding that we are in this situation, less rebuilding would have led to less decisions taken, which would have led to less stupid ones. That's why you don't want to rebuild, because you will always take stupid decisions but without a huge rebuilding you generally spread them in the time, here we accumulated them because we had too much to do at once.
 
Red Katie said:
Maybe I'm naive here but I think he'll be dropped and if it's Giggs taking over we're probably 18 months down the line, thats a long time in football.and if Rooney doesn't resemble a football player by then, he wont play and is possibly gone. You think any new manager will play with someone so obviously done? It's only to their own detriment.
Click to expand...
Yes what you say is common sense. However, the English footballers have a very strange mentality - they stick up for each other irrespective of what it costs anyone else. It's all about their 'clique' and hype and all sorts of things that have nothing to do with the good of football or the club they're representing. Why do you think our national team is such a mess? It's the crap biased mentality that runs through the footballing fraternity here - all hype - and no common sense.
 
Jazz said:
Yes what you say is common sense. However, the English footballers have a very strange mentality - they stick up for each other irrespective of what it costs anyone else. It's all about their 'clique' and hype and all sorts of things that have nothing to do with the good of football or the club they're representing. Why do you think our national team is such a mess? It's the crap biased mentality that runs through the footballing fraternity here - all hype - and no common sense.
Click to expand...
Nah, that wont happen I'm sure:nervous:
 
Van Gaal said it was a process(A series of actions, changes, or functions bringing about a result), a process takes a bit of time. He is sorting out the team. The defence is obviously the first part of the team to get organised, and he seems to be getting that done slowly but surely. I have no idea why he persists with Rooney though, and feel if he continues to do so it could lead to him being sacked. Everyman and his dog knew we had very few options upfront and that when the window was open. We did sign a fantastic player in Martial, but we need another fantastic player like Martial and a top class Winger and also another strong defender if we are to get back where a club like United should be.
 
UnitedinRed said:
Has Ancelotti ever had to rebuild a club?
Click to expand...
Do you know anything about his career as a manager or do you speak just because he managed madrid and chelsea? Let me show you when he was not known that much-
He took reggiana to promotion in his first year as manager to Seria A
He then went to parma where he made buffon his number one goalkeeper at parma and took them to second spot. They came 5th in his second season there and left for juve, he dint win anything of note there and was sacked for coming second.
Milan was next on his career list and this was not the all conquering milan you and me know, milan at that time was in poor position, hadnt won the league in 2 years, was in uefa cup. He actually made milan of the 2000's . He made pirlo a playmaker from the deep (he was an attacking mid and had been passed on by inter). He gave chances to a certain shevchenko. We all know what he won there and had juve not cheated he would be more credited with scudetti he should have"won".Chelsea he played the best football they have played in their short existence (score over 100 goals). PSG and madrid i think you will know.

My biggest point is, that he is a winner and a recent winner who knows how to play good football. Ancelotti was sacked from madrid and chelsea just because he dint win them the champions league. That is what the usual expectation is from him. He is also not a cheque book manager and has already tasted success in 4 different leagues. He has been the only manager in madrid for past few years who had no dressing room problems. Its astounding how people here think he does not rebuild clubs or doubt his credentials, when he has done so much.
 
Maradona10 said:
Do you know anything about his career as a manager or do you speak just because he managed madrid and chelsea? Let me show you when he was not known that much-
He took reggiana to promotion in his first year as manager to Seria A
He then went to parma where he made buffon his number one goalkeeper at parma and took them to second spot. They came 5th in his second season there and left for juve, he dint win anything of note there and was sacked for coming second.
Milan was next on his career list and this was not the all conquering milan you and me know, milan at that time was in poor position, hadnt won the league in 2 years, was in uefa cup. He actually made milan of the 2000's . He made pirlo a playmaker from the deep (he was an attacking mid and had been passed on by inter). He gave chances to a certain shevchenko. We all know what he won there and had juve not cheated he would be more credited with scudetti he should have"won".Chelsea he played the best football they have played in their short existence (score over 100 goals). PSG and madrid i think you will know.

My biggest point is, that he is a winner and a recent winner who knows how to play good football. Ancelotti was sacked from madrid and chelsea just because he dint win them the champions league. That is what the usual expectation is from him. He is also not a cheque book manager and has already tasted success in 4 different leagues. He has been the only manager in madrid for past few years who had no dressing room problems. Its astounding how people here think he does not rebuild clubs or doubt his credentials, when he has done so much.
Click to expand...

All fair points and I won't bother countering them although there's a few I can.

I've got bored today, not with our play, with the negativity. There's only so much a person can handle.

I'm off out for a drive while the roads are clear. Nothing but road works for the past 4 months all over Lancashire means driving anywhere is a nightmare bar Sunday nights.

I might come back and address a couple of points later.
 
Regarding the supposed 'rebuild' LVG has had to do...

This was City's strongest team when Mancini took over (the one that lined up against us in League Cup):


Safe to say, that's a much worse team than the one LVG started with - Mancini's 'building' job was much harder. He won an FA Cup the year after, and the title the year after that, spending, in the process, an amount similar to what LVG has spent.

Once you've spent as much as we have you can no longer put it down to a transitional period - you've got to be competing for trophies. This is make or break time for him. If we're not in contention for at least one trophy this season, then I'd put it down as an abject failure. The fact that our team's attack is so weak is already a major black mark against LVG's name. If at the end of the season we finish a distant 3rd/4th and exited the FA Cup at the quarters and the CL at the round of 16, you can't say, "Well, we don't have the players," and use it as a legitimate excuse to defend the manager. If we don't have the right players - after the fortune we've spent - it's LVG's fault. If he can't get the current crop, his players, to perform at their optimal levels, it's his fault. There can be no excuses from here on out.
 
TooBias said:
Regarding the supposed 'rebuild' LVG has had to do...

This was City's strongest team when Mancini took over (the one that lined up against us in League Cup):


Safe to say, that's a much worse team than the one LVG started with - Mancini's 'building' job was much harder. He won an FA Cup the year after, and the title the year after that, spending, in the process, an amount similar to what LVG has spent.

Once you've spent as much as we have you can no longer put it down to a transitional period - you've got to be competing for trophies. This is make or break time for him. If we're not in contention for at least one trophy this season, then I'd put it down as an abject failure. The fact that our team's attack is so weak is already a major black mark against LVG's name. If at the end of the season we finish a distant 3rd/4th and exited the FA Cup at the quarters and the CL at the round of 16, you can't say, "Well, we don't have the players," and use it as a legitimate excuse to defend the manager. If we don't have the right players - after the fortune we've spent - it's LVG's fault. If he can't get the current crop, his players, to perform at their optimal levels, it's his fault. There can be no excuses from here on out.
Click to expand...


Here here, excellent point proven well
 
Manchester United have not scored in the last three games , 4 goals in six games . Manchester United !................ Let that sink in .
 
TooBias said:
Regarding the supposed 'rebuild' LVG has had to do...

This was City's strongest team when Mancini took over (the one that lined up against us in League Cup):


Safe to say, that's a much worse team than the one LVG started with - Mancini's 'building' job was much harder. He won an FA Cup the year after, and the title the year after that, spending, in the process, an amount similar to what LVG has spent.

Once you've spent as much as we have you can no longer put it down to a transitional period - you've got to be competing for trophies. This is make or break time for him. If we're not in contention for at least one trophy this season, then I'd put it down as an abject failure. The fact that our team's attack is so weak is already a major black mark against LVG's name. If at the end of the season we finish a distant 3rd/4th and exited the FA Cup at the quarters and the CL at the round of 16, you can't say, "Well, we don't have the players," and use it as a legitimate excuse to defend the manager. If we don't have the right players - after the fortune we've spent - it's LVG's fault. If he can't get the current crop, his players, to perform at their optimal levels, it's his fault. There can be no excuses from here on out.
Click to expand...
They'll find an excuse somehow, but that is a great point.
 
TooBias said:
Regarding the supposed 'rebuild' LVG has had to do...

This was City's strongest team when Mancini took over (the one that lined up against us in League Cup):


Safe to say, that's a much worse team than the one LVG started with - Mancini's 'building' job was much harder. He won an FA Cup the year after, and the title the year after that, spending, in the process, an amount similar to what LVG has spent.

Once you've spent as much as we have you can no longer put it down to a transitional period - you've got to be competing for trophies. This is make or break time for him. If we're not in contention for at least one trophy this season, then I'd put it down as an abject failure. The fact that our team's attack is so weak is already a major black mark against LVG's name. If at the end of the season we finish a distant 3rd/4th and exited the FA Cup at the quarters and the CL at the round of 16, you can't say, "Well, we don't have the players," and use it as a legitimate excuse to defend the manager. If we don't have the right players - after the fortune we've spent - it's LVG's fault. If he can't get the current crop, his players, to perform at their optimal levels, it's his fault. There can be no excuses from here on out.
Click to expand...
great post. van gaal should be sacked if he doesn't sort out or attack before it's too late to do so this season.
 
So far, from the looks of it, his "philosophy" seems to be to play possession football, get a couple of chances (at most) per game, and expect his attackers to score them. A lot of pressure on them, I'd say.

What's wrong with trying to get the ball in the box? Is he afraid of us getting countered? We play with 2 holding midfielders, so why is he so afraid?

Also, his philosophy states that he'll play his captain, regardless of whether or not said captain is up to par.

I want him to succeed but I'm beginning to think Van Gaal is too stubborn for his own good.

*Edit* Also says he doesn't know Martial's best position. What a fecking shambles.
 
NinjaZombie said:
So far, from the looks of it, his "philosophy" seems to be to play possession football, get a couple of chances (at most) per game, and expect his attackers to score them. A lot of pressure on them, I'd say.

What's wrong with trying to get the ball in the box? Is he afraid of us getting countered? We play with 2 holding midfielders, so why is he so afraid?

Also, his philosophy states that he'll play his captain, regardless of whether or not said captain is up to par.

I want him to succeed but I'm beginning to think Van Gaal is too stubborn for his own good.

*Edit* Also says he doesn't know Martial's best position. What a fecking shambles.
Click to expand...
To be fair, if he says what Martial's best position is which he knows very well what it is like the rest of us - then the inevitable follow up question will be then why are you playing Rooney there instead?
 
He said: "we have created many chances"

Which stand for:

The philisophy works, it's a player fault.
 
Jazz said:
To be fair, if he says what Martial's best position is which he knows very well what it is like the rest of us - then the inevitable follow up question will be then why are you playing Rooney there instead?
Click to expand...

His own god damn fault for saying a player plays regardless of anything.
 
NinjaZombie said:
His own god damn fault for saying a player plays regardless of anything.
Click to expand...
Yes. Though after the news about Rooney doing a deal to switch to Adidas, I'm not too sure anymore that LVG is the only one to blame for this - seems he might be under pressure from the suits to some extent because of sponsorship obligations...
 
He's been excellent for the club in all matters off the pitch. What I mean is our reputation, cockiness, aura and so forth. He's also cleared an absolute ton of deadwood, improved our squad age, brought in some very talented, good age players (Schweini aside) and overall just got us feeling like a 'big' club again (cheers Davy).

But because of that I believe he gets an incredibly easy treatment for what happens on the pitch. Where, his record is barely better than Moyes', we actually create LESS from open play and if not for an excellent month long period, I think he'd already be very close to the sack.

In all seriousness, at what point do those 5 matches last spring become the exception to LVG, rather than the clear culmination of his master plan and philosophy?

Put another way, by choking the life out of City and Palace, we've garnered 2 points. If we'd let the shackles off in both, we might have lost to City but almost definitely would have beaten Palace, and not only would have 3 points but the football would actually be worth watching.

You watch teams like Southampton, Leicester, hell even frigging West Ham and they're playing great attacking football - much better than we've played pretty much in 2 seasons. And that's ignoring Arsenal, Spuds adn City.

So something has to give. Are we saying those teams have better players than we do? If not, then it has to be the manager?
 
Louis has done a great job as a far as I'm concerned, with the exception of his handling of Rooney.
 
LVG has a 3 year contract so you have to give him that length of time.

At the moment the team is not scoring enough goals to win any silverware.

But if LVG is happy then the fans can do very little about it.

But after next season if the only thing he managed to do was make the defence solid and keep his captain happy...then he won't be remember for long by the fans or the club.
 
even worse today seeing Everton play outstanding and deadly football on their way to destroying Sunderland..... god I miss attacking flair and goals.
 
RuudTom83 said:
LVG has a 3 year contract so you have to give him that length of time.

At the moment the team is not scoring enough goals to win any silverware.

But if LVG is happy then the fans can do very little about it.

But after next season if the only thing he managed to do was make the defence solid and keep his captain happy...then he won't be remember for long by the fans or the club.
Click to expand...
What? No you don't.
 
RuudTom83 said:
LVG has a 3 year contract so you have to give him that length of time.

At the moment the team is not scoring enough goals to win any silverware.

But if LVG is happy then the fans can do very little about it.

But after next season if the only thing he managed to do was make the defence solid and keep his captain happy...then he won't be remember for long by the fans or the club.
Click to expand...
Lets go give Moyes his 6 years then as well.
 
TooBias said:
Regarding the supposed 'rebuild' LVG has had to do...

This was City's strongest team when Mancini took over (the one that lined up against us in League Cup):


Safe to say, that's a much worse team than the one LVG started with - Mancini's 'building' job was much harder. He won an FA Cup the year after, and the title the year after that, spending, in the process, an amount similar to what LVG has spent.

Once you've spent as much as we have you can no longer put it down to a transitional period - you've got to be competing for trophies. This is make or break time for him. If we're not in contention for at least one trophy this season, then I'd put it down as an abject failure. The fact that our team's attack is so weak is already a major black mark against LVG's name. If at the end of the season we finish a distant 3rd/4th and exited the FA Cup at the quarters and the CL at the round of 16, you can't say, "Well, we don't have the players," and use it as a legitimate excuse to defend the manager. If we don't have the right players - after the fortune we've spent - it's LVG's fault. If he can't get the current crop, his players, to perform at their optimal levels, it's his fault. There can be no excuses from here on out.
Click to expand...

Not quite their strongest side - missing out Bridge, Kolo Toure, Adebayor and Robinho was still at the club when Mancini arrived.

Also the total net spend of PL clubs in 2015 is about double that from five years ago, which indicates prices have gone up considerably. Their shopping spree in 2010 was ridiculous. In 2010 City spent 125m in the summer. Premier League clubs spent a total of 365m - City's expenditure accounted for more than a 3rd of total PL expenditure.

You also have to consider competition. We have spent considerably, but we are against a money bags City side who spent 100m on two players this summer, a Chelsea side that has found it's wallet again recently (they were a bit thrifty for a few years), and even Arsenal can buy some top bracket players unlike 5 years ago.
 
TooBias said:
Regarding the supposed 'rebuild' LVG has had to do...

This was City's strongest team when Mancini took over (the one that lined up against us in League Cup):


Safe to say, that's a much worse team than the one LVG started with - Mancini's 'building' job was much harder. He won an FA Cup the year after, and the title the year after that, spending, in the process, an amount similar to what LVG has spent.

Once you've spent as much as we have you can no longer put it down to a transitional period - you've got to be competing for trophies. This is make or break time for him. If we're not in contention for at least one trophy this season, then I'd put it down as an abject failure. The fact that our team's attack is so weak is already a major black mark against LVG's name. If at the end of the season we finish a distant 3rd/4th and exited the FA Cup at the quarters and the CL at the round of 16, you can't say, "Well, we don't have the players," and use it as a legitimate excuse to defend the manager. If we don't have the right players - after the fortune we've spent - it's LVG's fault. If he can't get the current crop, his players, to perform at their optimal levels, it's his fault. There can be no excuses from here on out.
Click to expand...

Right on the money. Louis can kiss my ass AFAIK when he talks about the process. This piece of info above indicates quite well what building and/or rebuilding really is all about when one considers where it started.

RuudTom83 said:
LVG has a 3 year contract so you have to give him that length of time.
Click to expand...

A 3-year contact, but full of violations about the objectives he has to meet. I don't give a flying feck about how much time he is given because he has been tasked to do something, but he is clearly behind in his deadlines and objectives.
 
Maradona10 said:
Do you know anything about his career as a manager or do you speak just because he managed madrid and chelsea? Let me show you when he was not known that much-
He took reggiana to promotion in his first year as manager to Seria A
He then went to parma where he made buffon his number one goalkeeper at parma and took them to second spot. They came 5th in his second season there and left for juve, he dint win anything of note there and was sacked for coming second.
Milan was next on his career list and this was not the all conquering milan you and me know, milan at that time was in poor position, hadnt won the league in 2 years, was in uefa cup. He actually made milan of the 2000's . He made pirlo a playmaker from the deep (he was an attacking mid and had been passed on by inter). He gave chances to a certain shevchenko. We all know what he won there and had juve not cheated he would be more credited with scudetti he should have"won".Chelsea he played the best football they have played in their short existence (score over 100 goals). PSG and madrid i think you will know.

My biggest point is, that he is a winner and a recent winner who knows how to play good football. Ancelotti was sacked from madrid and chelsea just because he dint win them the champions league. That is what the usual expectation is from him. He is also not a cheque book manager and has already tasted success in 4 different leagues. He has been the only manager in madrid for past few years who had no dressing room problems. Its astounding how people here think he does not rebuild clubs or doubt his credentials, when he has done so much.
Click to expand...

Thanks for that. Didn't know a lotof it.

What do you think about his relative poor league record with his teams?

Does he get teams to play good football when they don't have Ronaldo/Ibrahimovic etc?
 
Sammyjunn said:
Lets go give Moyes his 6 years then as well.
Click to expand...
This literally makes no sense. LVG is in no way as damaging to the club as moyes was.

If LVG finished seventh and utd were getting hammered at OT every other week LVG would be gone. If results decline massively LVG will go, people just want perfection after one season but that is football these days.

I'm not buying this "even of we lost but looked like scoring id be happy" Bs half of you are pouting either. If nothing changes come May he won't be here, as of now he's done nothing to justify him losing his job.

Again some of you really are posting like we're in Chelsea's position. I see people in the thread hoping match going fans boo the manager and rooney. Shocking.
 
Last edited:
Kakeru said:
A 3-year contact, but full of violations about the objectives he has to meet. I don't give a flying feck about how much time he is given because he has been tasked to do something, but he is clearly behind in his deadlines and objectives.
Click to expand...
Love this post because of how wrong it is.

LVG's task in year 1 was to start the rebuild and get champs league and he did that, his task this year is to continue to rebuild and compete on all major fronts, which he is currently doing.


:lol::lol::lol:
 
Last edited:
Question234 said:
LVG's task in year 1 was to start the rebuild and get champs league, his task this year is to continue to rebuild and compete on all major fronts, which he is currently doing. Shock, we might actually improve further.
Click to expand...

I guess that not solving problems in goalscoring because of shitty decisions despite having the tools to solve them, and finding a way to fall behind Leicester (yes, fecking Leicester) in the table doesn't count then. This is not what I call competing on all fronts. Furthermore in the light of the last 390 minutes of play, you must have a problem if you think everything is fine enough to keep him immune from criticism.
 
Kakeru said:
I guess that not solving problems in goalscoring because of shitty decisions despite having the tools to solve them, and finding a way to fall behind Leicester (yes, fecking Leicester) in the table doesn't count then. This is not what I call competing on all fronts. Furthermore in the light of the last 390 minutes of play, you must have a problem if you think everything is fine enough to keep him immune from criticism.
Click to expand...

Are you kidding me ??? Far from it, I was tearing into LVG (and often called spoilt) when the transfer window closed because I knew this would happen, our attacking options are very limited atm and he has a part to play in that, as he insisted time and time again that he was happy. tbf though LVG is having to deal with the rooney mess moyes created by offering a 300k a week contract with god knows what details, LVG will eventually drop him but it isn't as easy a decision to make as it could really affect the dressing room.

lol teams like leicester, they no where bear the top when it matters, remember how well west ham and southampton started last year ? Nowhere near top 4 near the end and leicester won't be. This is what I mean by kneejerk silly overreactions. Who the feck are leicester to man utd ?

I also just don't believe for a second that pep and ancelotti could get this team playing any different unless they have access to better quality up front. Both would struggle so I just see no point in ditching lvg now as it literally makes no strategic sense and will set us back a dial, especially if he goes mid season. I just feel that our frustrations at the way we play are allowing us to overreact slightly when things go wrong. Currently our position is fine, we only need to be 5-8 points off first come jan.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.