Louis Van Gaal | 2015-16 Performance Thread

Van Gaal: The verdict

  • 1) Sack him now.

  • 2) Sack him at the end of the season.

  • 3) Let him see out his contract and part ways after that.

  • 4) Extend his contract.

  • Undecided (between 1 and 2).

  • Undecided (between 2 and 3).

  • Undecided (between 3 and 4, if things improve before his contract expires, extend).


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Wouldn't be the worst idea, despite the uproar some on here might make.
No, thats not what I meant.

More of analogy to Chelsea in 2004, in that we need a manager to take us to the next level. Ranieri had done a decent job, but couldnt take that extra step.

As for the current Mourinho being our manager, thats an argument for another day, and I fear we'll just derail the thread.
 
No, thats not what I meant.

More of analogy to Chelsea in 2004, in that we need a manager to take us to the next level. Ranieri had done a decent job, but could take that extra step.

As for the current Mourinho being our manager, thats an argument for another day, and I fear we'll just derail the thread.

No I knew exactly what you meant. I just mean, literally appointing Mourinho would be far from the worst scenario I think.

Given some on here are dying for Ryan Fecking Giggs to be the successor.
 
It'll be Christmas cards next, Jo.
 
Yeah it's stupid to give a proven goal scorer opportunities when you always have Fellaini to fall back on. Are you even a Man Utd fan or are you a Van Gaal fan?
Frankly, my love for Utd is not unconditional. I wasn't born into it, but it started for a reason, innovating and relatively sophisticated and organized football from a strongheaded manager who was given the freedom to build something.

Hernandez is good enough for Leverkusen, but he's just nog good enough to be a Utd starter, never was and never will be.
 
Frankly, my love for Utd is not unconditional. I wasn't born into it, but it started for a reason, innovating and relatively sophisticated and organized football from a strongheaded manager who was given the freedom to build something.

Hernandez is good enough for Leverkusen, but he's just nog good enough to be a Utd starter, never was and never will be.
So the answer is you're a Van Gaal supporter? It would explain your posts.

He certainly was good enough when we were winning league titles. Now he isn't. That's sophistication for you.
 
I can't wait until he's gone, I really can't stand the man anymore.
 
Frankly, my love for Utd is not unconditional. I wasn't born into it, but it started for a reason, innovating and relatively sophisticated and organized football from a strongheaded manager who was given the freedom to build something.

Hernandez is good enough for Leverkusen, but he's just nog good enough to be a Utd starter, never was and never will be.
I don't understand this mentality, or why some people believe that it justifies the sale.

Options that are not good enough are still better than no options btw. We didnt even sell him to promote youth. Wilson is on loan and fellaini is the option left to play as a ST again. This season, we are in no position to assume we are better than leverkrusen (footballing wise), they're in the CL and are a decent side.

I'm not gonna jump down LVG's throat for the sale. I think that even though it is a fair critism to make fans are now only critical with the benefit of hindsight. But to pretend that hernandez is beneath or not good enough for this current side is a stretch. He is.
 
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I'm certainly an admirer of his work, as I was of SAF's.


I don't understand what you mean.
But you only signed up for this site after Van Gaal became manager and you'll be gone when he is. There's no objectivity to your opinions on him whatsoever.

It's simple enough. He was good enough when we were a better and more successful team. That he isn't is because the manager wasn't good enough to get even close to the best from him.
 
I tell you what it is an absolute joke.

0 shots on target
Playing poor against teams like Newcastle and palace and not picking up three points
Other teams having better chances
Has about 100 million pounds worth of attacking players to bring on but ends up with a big lump up front
Have a chance to move up the league after rivals drop points and end up disappointing the fans
Great record against the big boys but struggles against smaller teams
All the possession no penetration.

feck sake, I'm in the wrong tab. Where's the Klopp thread?
 
we are united not liverpool. we dropped two points to them at home in a wait for it 0-0. blinders on but everything fine.
 
I tell you what it is an absolute joke.

0 shots on target
Playing poor against teams like Newcastle and palace and not picking up three points
Other teams having better chances
Has about 100 million pounds worth of attacking players to bring on but ends up with a big lump up front
Have a chance to move up the league after rivals drop points and end up disappointing the fans
Great record against the big boys but struggles against smaller teams
All the possession no penetration.

feck sake, I'm in the wrong tab. Where's the Klopp thread?
I missed the memo that says that a Utd manager is doing well because Liverpool didn't. They scored more in one game midweek than we have in a month.
 
It's reaching a point where United and van Gaal need to part ways at the end of the season and throw the kitchen sink and some more at Pep Guardiola or maybe Carlo Ancelotti. This league is wide open for anybody, but United aren't going to score enough to goals to win enough games. Their defense is fine, but you won't win if you can't score.
Guardiola yes, but I can't understand the calls for Ancelotti. He seems like a great guy, but I think he's overrated as a manager.
 
I haven't. It doesn't make our position any better mind you. Liverpool being shit today doesn't mean we aren't shit.

correct - we are shit to watch and can't score. i mean really can't score.

need a striker and a very good one at that. a striker that can come in and be a number 1 kind of guy. could use a new fb that can play both sides (new age irwin please , feck me he was good).
 
Being fourth in the league three points from the top means we aren't shit.
How about our form and performances? How about out of one cup and a few days away from quite likely being out of another? When did being fourth become a good position for Manchester United?
 
correct - we are shit to watch and can't score. i mean really can't score.

need a striker and a very good one at that. a striker that can come in and be a number 1 kind of guy. could use a new fb that can play both sides (new age irwin please , feck me he was good).
We need more than that. We need goals from other areas too. Our midfield is one of the most defensive around.
 
Guardiola yes, but I can't understand the calls for Ancelotti. He seems like a great guy, but I think he's overrated as a manager.
I think the call for Guardiola is really stupid. Klopp I could understand, because his style of football might be closer to Ferguson's and is better liked by the fans, allthough he's about to find out that the PL is a difficult league to implement any style. Ancelotti is likeable and pragmatic, but it's been a long time he's managed players with these limitations. But Guardiola is more possession oriented, less risk taking and has no particular experience with young players and only managed players who are technically the best in the world. It's asking for Van Gaal without the risks, without the shooting from distance, and without the ability to have young players play like mature players, and without the ability to punch above the weight of the squad.
 
How about our form and performances? How about out of one cup and a few days away from quite likely being out of another? When did being fourth become a good position for Manchester United?
Never been a good position but never been shite position either. Being 4th and close to the top in Dec-Jan is always a good thing no matter how you try to look at it.

There's a strong argument to suggest that we've stagnated under him, and results too are starting to decline in a similar manner but we aren't shite and he still has time to change. Tuesday is the biggest mufc game for LVG so far, last time we said this was before the game at anfield last year and he delivered.

Not taking sides or forcing a narrative here, the above is all facts.
 
He's no David Moyes but he's losing the fans fast. I think the vast majority would prefer a manager who was expressive in his tactics.

I keep saying it, if he's has no intention of staying beyond next season, get rid at the end of the current campaign.
 
Never been a good position but never been shite position either. Being 4th and close to the top in Dec-Jan is always a good thing no matter how you try to look at it.

There's a strong argument to suggest that we've stagnated under him, and results too are starting to decline in a similar manner but we aren't shite and he still has time to change. Tuesday is the biggest mufc game for LVG so far, last time we said this was before the game at anfield last year and he delivered.

Not taking sides or forcing a narrative here, the above is all facts.
It's only a good thing if you have the ability to make it count. It may not have been a bad position for Fergie but he had the ability to get the team to go on long runs of wins. Van Gaal has shown no such ability here. That is also not forcing a narrative.
 
A world class striker in his prime, together with 1 or 2 established top drawer wingers and we win the title. We create enough chances even now to win the games we are currently drawing. We need to be more clinical and need to buy to resolve this. Memphis, Martial et al are good players but are still learning/adapting. I don't think the style will change too much, but we will win the vast majority of our games on the back of having the majority of possession and strong defence. It will serve us well in the CL too where the ability to control tight games and being clinical, especially away from home is a major asset. Next season, following a successful transfer window, is when it will all click I reckon.

Edit: How he deals with the Rooney issue is the only doubt I have about whether he can lead us to the title.
 
We just need to sign a couple proven attackers. a CF and a winger. Easier said than done with our recent transfer record but the rest of the team is capable once we get injury free, if we ever get injury free. Lucky the rest of the league is as inconsistent as us at this stage, but it will eventually have to click for a top team and hopefully it can be us.
 
The saying "I died a little inside" really applied to me after the West Ham game and hearing him say that we play attacking football simple because other teams defend against our ever so slow, ponderous, pedestrian, laborious way of trying to create scoring chances and then look to hit us on the counter for the most part. How does he simply not see every single time we pick up the pace of our passing and intensity in our game, we look far more of a threat but, when we play 70-80 minutes in a way that makes watching paint dry seem exciting is not attacking football. Bloody hell, he simply can't be that dense, so it has to be hubris, thinking that this approach is going to be the way forward.

He talks about the foundations he setup at Bayern, Barca and AZ and I can't say I remember anything but his time at Bayern but, the difference is those teams while they cherished possession, they are often able to pick up the pace of passing in the attacking 3rd to create chances. Maybe that all happened after this time there - where he gave them the base to hold on to the ball but, someone else really was needed to take it to the next level. I really do think that's what United is going to need very soon because we simply can't sustain this kind of football in today's world. We are not going to win anything - we are likely going to go out of the Champion's League because we have not been able to make our possession mean anything and in a season where the league is absolutely up for grabs, we constantly are throwing points away against teams that we absolutely should be mauling.

It doesn't take 18 months to teach players to play the ball faster - patience is wearing thin for me. After Saturday I even contemplated just not watching United for the rest of the season because I can't take any more tumescent 0-0s.
 
LvG gets the team playing much much better than Moyes. But still simply not good enough. I watch LvG's United, and I still don't see a big team there. We still play like a bunch of good players throwing in together. There's just no excitement. Winning trophy will appease some (most) of the cloud, though.
 
One of the most pathetic things about VG's time at United especially this season, it's not even a PL that is even a challenge to win, there is no dominating dynesty that we saw at United, no Arsenal team that really excited the PL, gone of the days of the old mourinho's Chelsea which we all thought would win every single week, forcing you to up your game. The PL's bench mark is a Manchester city team so beatable it does not equal a challenge. The trophy is there to be won, and it could be of all teams Leicester city, what does that say about VG and the rest of the top teams?

There should be no excuse for VG not able to win the league, it's there right in front of him, is there even a desire from him to push this team to win the league? Passion, drive, smelling the blood of victory, if this was a Fergie or anyone in the current state of the PL, he would hammer it home that the league can be won, with VG it's meh, there seems to be zero drive to win this league from VG
 
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One of the most pathetic things about VG's time at United especially this season, it's not even a PL that is even a challenge to win, there is no dominating dynesty that we saw at United, no Arsenal team that really excited the PL, gone of the days of the old mourinho's Chelsea which we all thought would win every single week, forcing you to up your game. The PL's bench mark is a Manchester city team so beatable it does not equal a challenge. The trophy is there to be won, and it could be of all teams Leicester city, what does that say about VG and the rest of the top teams?

There should be no excuse for VG not able to win the league, it's there right in front of him, is there even a desire from him to push this team to win the league? Passion, drive, smelling the blood of victory, if this was a Fergie or anyone in the current state of the PL, he would hammer it home that the league can be won, with VG it's meh, there seems to be zero drive to win this league from VG
Oh yeah it's like you just turn up.. and win. So damn easy.
 
He's no David Moyes but he's losing the fans fast. I think the vast majority would prefer a manager who was expressive in his tactics.

I keep saying it, if he's has no intention of staying beyond next season, get rid at the end of the current campaign.
The fans can be really thick though. The two times they booed the team/manager was when the team played with a good tempo and attacked much more than we otherwise do. First was when he took off martial and the other was after the West Ham draw. So you're actually booing when the team is attacking and playing with drive and intensity which is exactly what you've been yearning for. That's smart. What makes the West Ham booing even more fun was the fact that it happened not only after we set up the way fans wanted us to, but we didn't get the result we usually do. And I bet it wouldn't have happened had we won. So yeah, it's all about "attack, attack" eh old Trafford?
 
Louis is quite right that our accuracy means we are not converting as many chances as we are creating. So far this season we rank 72nd out the 98 clubs in Europe's top 5 leagues for shooting accuracy.

The problem lies with his belief that we are creating enough chances to begin with when we rank 71st/98 for chances created. Behind teams like Ingolstadt, Carpi, Norwich, Troyes and Frosinone.
 
Louis is quite right that our accuracy means we are not converting as many chances as we are creating. So far this season we rank 72nd out the 98 clubs in Europe's top 5 leagues for shooting accuracy.

The problem lies with his belief that we are creating enough chances to begin with when we rank 71st/98 for chances created. Behind teams like Ingolstadt, Carpi, Norwich, Troyes and Frosinone.


:lol: Is it sad we're getting put up from teams I've never heard of? Except Norwich ofc.
 
The fans can be really thick though. The two times they booed the team/manager was when the team played with a good tempo and attacked much more than we otherwise do. First was when he took off martial and the other was after the West Ham draw. So you're actually booing when the team is attacking and playing with drive and intensity which is exactly what you've been yearning for. That's smart. What makes the West Ham booing even more fun was the fact that it happened not only after we set up the way fans wanted us to, but we didn't get the result we usually do. And I bet it wouldn't have happened had we won. So yeah, it's all about "attack, attack" eh old Trafford?
In both those games we had large spells in the middle when the tempo dropped considerably. Before being picked up and chances coming. That's where the frustration came from. If us failing to score were isolated incidents then there'd be no booing.
 
How about our form and performances? How about out of one cup and a few days away from quite likely being out of another? When did being fourth become a good position for Manchester United?

A few days away from quite likely.... It's all conjecture and imagination in the eyes of fans who choose to pursue a negative point of view. Only the end of season results count.

We play boring football, no doubt. But that is separate from our progression currently and it is not the same as 'negative' Football.

Also, fourth became good enough since we dropped to 7th. If only being champions is good enough, then be prepared to be disappointed more often then not.
 
He's no David Moyes but he's losing the fans fast. I think the vast majority would prefer a manager who was expressive in his tactics.

I keep saying it, if he's has no intention of staying beyond next season, get rid at the end of the current campaign.
What does that even mean?

If it means the way I think about English, LVG has been very expressive. He has even attempted to educate the press about this process or philosophy.

Plus, he is obviously allowing the players to express his style. That's why he doesn't get up and hop around the touchline.

Also, because he doesn't stay after the next season we should get rid at the end of this season? What confounded logic is this?

Board: LVG, your contract is up at the end of 2017, do you want to extend?

LVG: I am old and thinking about retiring, so probably not.

Board: ok you are fired then.
 
In both those games we had large spells in the middle when the tempo dropped considerably. Before being picked up and chances coming. That's where the frustration came from. If us failing to score were isolated incidents then there'd be no booing.
Wow, that's incredible. Never known to happen. Tempo is supposed to be at one consistent level throughout.

Tempo drops are part of the game. In every game. Unsurprisingly even moreso for teams not used to playing that tempo every week.

I know where the frustration comes from. It's the timing that's hilariously stupid. "I hate our slow passing football. I will boo the team.. when we play fast direct football. Yeah! Oh I booed after we played fast direct football and that contradicts what I hate? Yeah but we lost, so I'll boo that because winning is actually what matters!"

Logic :wenger: