Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances

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Im hoping this is an fitness problem, or Fergie wrapping him in cotton wool due to the Euro's..

If not, it smells of Fergie proving a point to him as he has done in the past with Wayne
 
Liam147 said:
This is that world class winger who keeps getting benched, this time for a striker. Open your eyes.
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Yeah same winger fergie decided to start the season with. Rooney was benched as well last week and we don't even know if nani simply had a knock. Form is temporary, class is permanent etc. Think you just don't like him Liam.
 
Liam147 said:
This is that world class winger who keeps getting benched, this time for a striker. Open your eyes.
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Are you saying that he shouldn't play and you agree with Sir Alex here? He's probably done something off the pitch to anger him because he's clearly a better winger then Welbeck. We just have to wait and see what he says.
 
Orton said:
Our number one goaly is benched too, and our best player was benched last week. Open your eyes.
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In no small part to his mistake last week, which would be highlighted against Southampton, and there's nothing to suggest Rooney wouldn't have been back this week, Nani however has now been benched two weeks running, and a good performance from Welbeck could see him stay there.

I'm not sure why everyone thinks Nani is so good he's undroppable. We could afford to drop Rooney as we had van Persie up front, but we've resorted to playing a striker out wide. That's how indispensable Nani is.
 
Hopefully he's recovering from a knock, don't know why we persist by playing players out of position. Nani should start, if fit, and then if he is having a poor game take him off.
 
Liam147 said:
In no small part to his mistake last week, which would be highlighted against Southampton, and there's nothing to suggest Rooney wouldn't have been back this week, Nani however has now been benched two weeks running, and a good performance from Welbeck could see him stay there.

I'm not sure why everyone thinks Nani is so good he's undroppable. We could afford to drop Rooney as we had van Persie up front, but we've resorted to playing a striker out wide. That's how indispensable Nani is.
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You think Welbeck's a better left winger than Nani?
 
It could be anything really, contract, fitness, knock, confidence level, Fergie moody, etc etc. But strange nevertheless
 
Ash_G said:
Yeah same winger fergie decided to start the season with. Rooney was benched as well last week and we don't even know if nani simply had a knock. Form is temporary, class is permanent etc. Think you just don't like him Liam.
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And how long do we have to sit through his poor form? Will he always be class no matter how long he puts in average performances? Even when Rooney was poor he scored goals, when Nani is poor, nothing happens.
 
Liam147 said:
This is that world class winger who keeps getting benched, this time for a striker. Open your eyes.
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As others have said, you only have to look at the last game to see how this logic doesn't work. Do you also think Welbeck would deliver a better performance on the wings than Nani? I'm not sure what the reason for his dropping is, but I'm fairly sure it isn't because Ferguson thinks Welbeck would do a better job there. Perhaps it's to do with the contract, maybe it's a prolonged lesson from the first game, or he could have had an injury we weren't aware off, but I doubt it's because Danny is better there.
 
Liam147 said:
And how long do we have to sit through his poor form? Will he always be class no matter how long he puts in average performances? Even when Rooney was poor he scored goals, when Nani is poor, nothing happens.
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Rubbish, and a poor memory.
 
Varun_Utd said:
You think Welbeck's a better left winger than Nani?
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Didn't say that, I'm saying Nani isn't so good we can afford to play Welbeck there. Fergie seems to think so. Last season Rooney got dropped against Blackburn, point proved, he was straight back the next game, whereas Nani's been left out again. I'm suggesting this is more than an off field dispute.
 
Liam147 said:
And how long do we have to sit through his poor form? Will he always be class no matter how long he puts in average performances? Even when Rooney was poor he scored goals, when Nani is poor, nothing happens.
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Load of shite.

I ask again, you think Welbeck will do better than Nani on the left wing?
 
Liam147 said:
And how long do we have to sit through his poor form? Will he always be class no matter how long he puts in average performances? Even when Rooney was poor he scored goals, when Nani is poor, nothing happens.
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No nani is a threat in a poor game by his standards, probably alongside Rooney in this regard. He had an excellent euro's so his form was there. Sometimes you have to be patient. Anyway what's the issue? He's not starting is he? On the bench, if he comes on he might show some forM if not he might be on the bench until he does. Doesn't mean the class isn't there, just shows we have strength in the squad.
 
I want to see him play, it's a shame because clearly something is not right there. No point in getting annoyed with Fergie because none of us know what the issue is behind the scenes.

Let's see if he gets a few mins today
 
Hectic said:
Rubbish, and a poor memory.
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Please give me examples where he's had a poor game an still contributed. Rooney did it so often it almost got frustrating. I was hoping he could play well and chip in, rather than do feck all, yet score that all important goal.

I'm not saying Welbeck's a better winger than Nani, but I do believe Ferguson thinks he'll do a better job than him, and based on recent performances, I don't think that's an absurd suggestion.

I expect Nani will come on in the second half, with a point to prove and I hope as much as everyone else that he plays well. We know how good he CAN be, I'd rather he started showing it regularly.
 
Sorry is nani the only player who has poor games? Are valencia and young always great? Because you only have to look at march threads from the first half of last season to see that's not true. I dunno why nani isn't allowed to have poor games, no one is always on their game, world class or not.
 
Ash_G said:
Sorry is nani the only player who has poor games? Are valencia and young always great? Because you only have to look at march threads from the first half of last season to see that's not true. I dunno why nani isn't allowed to have poor games, no one is always on their game, world class or not.
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Valencia - rarely. Young - yeah. Difference is, we don't treat Young like a demi-god. Based on United fans' ratings of him, I expect him to deliver more consistently.
 
Liam147 said:
Please give me examples where he's had a poor game an still contributed. Rooney did it so often it almost got frustrating. I was hoping he could play well and chip in, rather than do feck all, yet score that all important goal.

I'm not saying Welbeck's a better winger than Nani, but I do believe Ferguson thinks he'll do a better job than him, and based on recent performances, I don't think that's an absurd suggestion.

I expect Nani will come on in the second half, with a point to prove and I hope as much as everyone else that he plays well. We know how good he CAN be, I'd rather he started showing it regularly.
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He did it throughout the last two seasons, during the patches he had poor form he still racked up assists and occasionally scored goals. We've had numerous threads on this in the past, I'll dig some up.

Fair enough, but for me I do think it's absurd to play Welbeck over Nani in the hopes he will deliver a better performance on the wings, because he isn't an excellent winger. Just as much as I wouldn't play Nani in a lone striker role over Welbeck, because it's not the position he is best in.
 
Liam147 said:
Valencia - rarely. Young - yeah. Difference is, we don't treat Young like a demi-god. Based on United fans' ratings of him, I expect him to deliver more consistently.
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Valencia has plenty of ineffective games, given the stats from last season showed nani had a better attacking output than Valencia, whom most would say had a very good season then it suggests that nani, who people said had an average season was able to produce despite not being at his best.
 
Liam147 said:
Valencia - rarely. Young - yeah. Difference is, we don't treat Young like a demi-god. Based on United fans' ratings of him, I expect him to deliver more consistently.
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He was great for portugal so you know it wasn't that long ago that he was playing great. Valencia was poor at the start of last season so its not as rare as you think but obviously you hate nani, so no point.
 
Hectic said:
He did it throughout the last two seasons, during the patches he had poor form he still racked up assists and occasionally scored goals. We've had numerous threads on this in the past, I'll dig some up.

Fair enough, but for me I do think it's absurd to play Welbeck over Nani in the hopes he will deliver a better performance on the wings, because he isn't an excellent winger.
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Too right he produced two seasons ago, our best player in Rooney's shitty absence. But last season, when he had a good game, you knew it, but in his poor games he'd be anonymous.

But I'd be interested to see some examples where he played poorly yet delivered, I'm more than happy to be proved wrong here.
Ash_G said:
Valencia has plenty of ineffective games, given the stats from last season showed nani had a better attacking output than Valencia, whom most would say had a very good season then it suggests that nani, who people said had an average season was able to produce despite not being at his best.
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Not true. Firstly, you've only got to see him to see how good he is. And I'm not disputing that Nani produced, but usually during his good games.
 
Liam147 said:
Please give me examples where he's had a poor game an still contributed. Rooney did it so often it almost got frustrating. I was hoping he could play well and chip in, rather than do feck all, yet score that all important goal.

I'm not saying Welbeck's a better winger than Nani, but I do believe Ferguson thinks he'll do a better job than him, and based on recent performances, I don't think that's an absurd suggestion.

I expect Nani will come on in the second half, with a point to prove and I hope as much as everyone else that he plays well. We know how good he CAN be, I'd rather he started showing it regularly.
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Nani had higher goals and assists stats than Valencia and Young last season, despite being a bit average according to a lot of people on this board.
 
TheBest said:
He was great for portugal so you know it wasn't that long ago that he was playing great. Valencia was poor at the start of last season so its not as rare as you think but obviously you hate nani, so no point.
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Oh feck off. Firstly, Valencia didn't play as a winger that often at the start of the season. He only came into his own when he got an extended run there. Nani was good for Portugal, but they're not United, so I'm ignoring that. I don't hate Nani ffs.
 
Cina said:
Nani had higher goals and assists stats than Valencia and Young last season, despite being a bit average according to a lot of people on this board.
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Yes, because he had some really good games! Chelsea at home for example, scored a wonder goal, and I think there was another not long before it. I'm bot saying he was shit, but on those games where he was, we felt it.

Anyway, kick off.
 
Liam147 said:
Too right he produced two seasons ago, our best player in Rooney's shitty absence. But last season, when he had a good game, you knew it, but in his poor games he'd be anonymous.

But I'd be interested to see some examples where he played poorly yet delivered, I'm more than happy to be proved wrong here.


Not true. Firstly, you've only got to see him to see how good he is. And I'm not disputing that Nani produced, but usually during his good games.
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Well the stats are taken over a season so unless nani absolutely went nuts in some games with his productivity it's likely he still produced in poor games. Maybe not every poor game but no one does. I think you're making Valencia sound more like a demi god by saying he never plays bad etc.
 
Liam147 said:
Oh feck off. Firstly, Valencia didn't play as a winger that often at the start of the season. He only came into his own when he got an extended run there. Nani was good for Portugal, but they're not United, so I'm ignoring that. I don't hate Nani ffs.
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How does playing great for portugal not count, thats still football, you know. Before that he was injured for most of this year. Going in and out is obviously going to effect him. He was good at the start of last season as well. On the other hand valencia was poor as a winger as well at the start of last season.
 
Liam147 said:
Yes, because he had some really good games! Chelsea at home for example, scored a wonder goal, and I think there was another not long before it. I'm bot saying he was shit, but on those games where he was, we felt it.

Anyway, kick off.
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Either way you would expect Nani to have a greater impact out wide than Welbeck.

I don't think the argument is should he be playing or not.cof course he should. The question is why he is not. And nobody knows the answer to that.
 
Cina said:
Nani had higher goals and assists stats than Valencia and Young last season, despite being a bit average according to a lot of people on this board.
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how remarkable given Valencia was injured for most of the season and Young was in and out after the first few months.
 
Liam147 said:
Please give me examples where he's had a poor game an still contributed. Rooney did it so often it almost got frustrating. I was hoping he could play well and chip in, rather than do feck all, yet score that all important goal.

I'm not saying Welbeck's a better winger than Nani, but I do believe Ferguson thinks he'll do a better job than him, and based on recent performances, I don't think that's an absurd suggestion.

I expect Nani will come on in the second half, with a point to prove and I hope as much as everyone else that he plays well. We know how good he CAN be, I'd rather he started showing it regularly.
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I don't remember the last time Welbeck put in a good performance on the left wing. Today's been no different.

He's offered not a single cross, and 1 lay off (centrally). No width from the left (it's come from Paddy, and not that much from him because he's the only one there).

Play Danny centrally or not at all, if we have wingers fit.

Put Young on, or preferably Nani if both are fit, and Fergie wants to win the match (even if it means playing a player who hasn't 'signed up').
 
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