Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances

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I did search it, and there's no mention of Nani in it, hence I'm asking you to quote me on it.

You don't have time to quickly go on Rio's twitter account yet you do have time to browse and post on the Caf?
 
A guy was found running around Tesco bollock naked with a dildo shoved up his rectum while singing the chorus to Killing Me Softly yesterday afternoon.

Ahhhhh so that's why Cina wasn't posting.

See? It's a joke. It doesn't make it true...does it cina? :)
 
Cina said:
I did search it, and there's no mention of Nani in it, hence I'm asking you to quote me on it.

You don't have time to quickly go on Rio's twitter account yet you do have time to browse and post on the Caf?
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Looks like it might have been removed. I can't find his Leon Knight #wasteman tweet either.

Like above no one is saying it means anything.. hell knows, i don't train with them
 
apotheosis said:
:confused: So the only difference between a touchline winger and a wide forward is tactics? So to get my head around it, Beckham would be just as effective as a wide forward in a 4-3-3, and Pedro would be equally at home on the touchline in a 4-4-2? Due to the only differences between thei contribution being tactical?

For me there are clear differences between a Suarez or a Nani, compared to a Figo or Beckham. Nothing to do with tactics, their strengths lie in different areas imo.
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A 433 is essentially the same thing as a 451, particularly when we play it, and Beckham was just as good providing for Ruud on his own as he was providing for Cole and Yorke, so yes, he'd be just as effective. Just as Ronaldo was just as effective in a 442 for us as he was in a 433. Just as Nani has been. Meaningless tactical mumbo jumbo.
 
Brwned said:
A 433 is essentially the same thing as a 451, particularly when we play it, and Beckham was just as good providing for Ruud on his own as he was providing for Cole and Yorke, so yes, he'd be just as effective. Just as Ronaldo was just as effective in a 442 for us as he was in a 433. Just as Nani has been. Meaningless tactical mumbo jumbo.
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Nah for me it depends on the personnel as to what tactics you get. You can play 3 strikers in a 4-3-3, look at Barca's set up. Villa or Iniesta on the left, Pedro or Sanchez on the right. None of those players are wingers in my view.

I know what you are saying in terms of a 4-3-3- with the ball and 4-5-1 without. But for me it's just not quite that simple. I look at Uruguays system with Suarez in the WC and it was without question as a wide forward role, not a winger. I see Nani as more similar to Suarez than to Beckham.

Jovetic, Pedro, Nani, Hazard, Iniesta, Lucas, Sanchez,Ronaldinho, Henry, none of those are wingers to me, they are goalscoring wide men, hence my definition suggesting as much.
 
I would have been extremely annoyed/angry if we had sold Nani. We looked so poor with Welbeck as our "left" winger/attacker - not that it is Welbeck's fault. But, if the thought ever was well we've got Welbeck, Rooney and even RVP to play out left should Young not be available, then all I can do is shake my head.

Give Nani the 130k - he deserves it based on his performances and importance over the last couple of seasons.
 
DevilRed said:
Apparently his agent has been asking for 130k a week!!! Quite steep for someone who doesn't regularly hold down a spot in the first 11.

I'd love for him to stay, but I think there might be some truth in us letting Nani talk to Zenit. It might be a way of saying to him that we want to keep you but we don't need you if you're going to ask for astronomical wages.
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Yeah, 130k/w is crazy money. I'm thinking it's because he actually doesn't want to go to Zenith and play in an inferior league and the only way is if he gets rewarded with crazy money. I'm hopeful that he didn't ask 130k/w from United.
 
Shimo said:
I would have been extremely annoyed/angry if we had sold Nani. We looked so poor with Welbeck as our "left" winger/attacker - not that it is Welbeck's fault. But, if the thought ever was well we've got Welbeck, Rooney and even RVP to play out left should Young not be available, then all I can do is shake my head.
Give Nani the 130k - he deserves it based on his performances and importance over the last couple of seasons.
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Try shaking your cock, the situation may still be dire, but it's definitely more fun than shaking your head, and you could even have a little nap afterwards! :)
 
130k a week isn't that much in proportion to what some of our other players earn now.
 
He's class.

Imagine the abuse he'd get on here if he could only use one foot really well, and the other foot may as well not be there
 
We're just assuming it's about money.
 
Tibs said:
He's class.

Imagine the abuse he'd get on here if he could only use one foot really well, and the other foot may as well not be there
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Or if he was our best and most consistent performer last season imagine the praise.
 
Ekeke said:
Exactly.

And lets be honest, the way the club does things we'd have sold him before we even went for Lucas or Hazard or whoever.

We sell players and then we look to replace them (Ronaldo, Beckham, etc) not the other way around.
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Ronaldo was forced to stay an extra year, so we could line up a replacement rather than lose him at the end of the summer and be left without one.
 
londonredmaniac said:
Berbatov was clearly not in plans and Fergie wanted rid. He also stayed.
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That's not true. Fergie wanted Berbatov to stay last Summer because he likes having four strikers and Welbeck was relatively untested yet. It was only this summer after getting RVP that he decided to "get rid".
 
apotheosis said:
Nah for me it depends on the personnel as to what tactics you get. You can play 3 strikers in a 4-3-3, look at Barca's set up. Villa or Iniesta on the left, Pedro or Sanchez on the right. None of those players are wingers in my view.

I know what you are saying in terms of a 4-3-3- with the ball and 4-5-1 without. But for me it's just not quite that simple. I look at Uruguays system with Suarez in the WC and it was without question as a wide forward role, not a winger. I see Nani as more similar to Suarez than to Beckham.

Jovetic, Pedro, Nani, Hazard, Iniesta, Lucas, Sanchez,Ronaldinho, Henry, none of those are wingers to me, they are goalscoring wide men, hence my definition suggesting as much.
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Henry was a winger long before he ever turned up at arsenal. Nani is a pure winger. Its as clear as day that he is. Its just he can chip in with goalsd aswel. Giggs was always a winger and he chipped in with plenty of goals and nobody said he was a wide forward, why? Because he simply wasnt a forward.

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I don't begrudge these players trying to get the biggest contract they can when the time comes.

Nani may not have another opportunity at a big contract in his life again after this one, and the window for making money is a short one for the professional footballer. One serious injury or bad tackle and your career can be over in an instant.

But how many clubs can pay him more than we can? If the numbers are close, then wouldn't he rather stay with United where he is already settled into a team that suits his style of play? Isn't it cheaper for United to pay him the wages than to replace him by paying the kind of transfer fees attached to the Hazards and Lucas Mouras and Neymars of the world?
 
Remember when the club bent themselves over for Rooney and some of us said "what's going to happen now when Nani comes to re-negotiate his contract?"

Here's what happens.

Maybe the club gambling with the idea that nowhere Nani will want to go will pay what Nani wants United to...or Fergie's of the opinion that his commitment to the cause isn't up to standard.
 
He was dropped for a game (so was Rooney although he was on the bench) then came on as a sub in the following game & did alright.

Didn't Rooney say he wasn't fully fit, maybe Nani wasn't fully fit either, Portugal went a fair way in the Euros.

When asked about it, SAF he'd be in the squad for the next game & he was.

All this Zenit stuff hasn't even been commented on by United, maybe they were throwing around names of great footballers to show that they have loads of money.
 
Cina said:
That's not true. Fergie wanted Berbatov to stay last Summer because he likes having four strikers and Welbeck was relatively untested yet. It was only this summer after getting RVP that he decided to "get rid".
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He wasn't in the plans though Cina. He kept asking and was told he was...yet played a handful of games.
 
londonredmaniac said:
He wasn't in the plans though Cina. He kept asking and was told he was...yet played a handful of games.
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That's not what you said though, you said we wanted rid, we didn't, you literally just contradicted yourself in bold.
 
Cina said:
That's not what you said though, you said we wanted rid, we didn't, you literally just contradicted yourself in bold.
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What he was told and what happened seem to contradict themselves. Fergie had decided Berbatov wasn't part of United's future. He knew he needed a replacement, as you said to keep 4 strikers as he likes to. I accept that. He wasn't in the long term future, Fergie knew he wanted rid...the fact he didn't act upon it straight away only supports my point mate.

The original comment was that Fergie had decided he wanted rid of Nani and he wasn't in the plans then he already would have got rid. That's not completely true if he couldn't get a quality replacement. I'm not saying it's what is happening....I'm saying it's not always that cut and dry. He could well have tried to sign a replacement and didn't manage it.

It could also be that Fergie wants Nani in the side and all this is a storm in a teacup!
 
Cina said:
Right but, Berbatov was a bad example.
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Depends how you look at it all I suppose. I don't think he is when referring to Fergie gets rid of players straight away. We'll agree to disagree...I'm not overly worried about this situation.

The transfer window is now done with...until Jan. If he's going we need a very good replacement, if he is staying I'm very much happy about it. He gets smoke blown up is arse and over the top criticism on here in equal proportions.

He is a very important player to us...but we've been through the ins and outs. Nobody has the faintest idea how Sir Alex feels on the subject. It could all be media bullshit.
 
Donut said:
Fergie wants to get rid. He wanted Lucas and Hazard, no way could we fit in another one of these without someone leaving.
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We got neither, so i don't really understand why Fergie would rid Nani now. Besides he started the first league at Everton which means he's still very much in the manager's thoughts
 
i would not be surprised if he signs a new contract soon but our offer for lucas shows that fergie was prepared to get rid off. in the coming weeks we ll see if fergie is still of the same idea or not..
 
Strange that when it comes to signing new wingers, everyone thinks we only have 1 winger and therefore it would be a straight replacement

We also have Valencia and Young. Thats 3, less than we usually have.
 
KanieKaned said:
Henry was a winger long before he ever turned up at arsenal. Nani is a pure winger. Its as clear as day that he is. Its just he can chip in with goalsd aswel. Giggs was always a winger and he chipped in with plenty of goals and nobody said he was a wide forward, why? Because he simply wasnt a forward.

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You just sort of made my point though. Wasn't that exactly what Wenger took most credit for with Henry? Wenger turned Henry from a winger into a wide forward. Even SAF acknowledged as much.

Even though he was good enough to play up front on his own as a CF at times, he still preferred to come inside from the left and try to get a shot off or use his pace and skill to commit players. Just like Nani.

He was also far more dangerous and productive doing that than he was getting to the byline and crossing balls back. Although of course he undoubtedly provided plenty of assists too. The point is obvious, even though Henry was still good enough as a winger to attract attention. He was a completely different class of player due to his consistency as a wide forward, than the inconsistency he often struggled with as a winger.
 
apotheosis said:
You just sort of made my point though. Wasn't that exactly what Wenger took most credit for with Henry? Wenger turned Henry from a winger into a wide forward. Even SAF acknowledged as much.

Even though he was good enough to play up front on his own as a CF at times, he still preferred to come inside from the left and try to get a shot off or use his pace and skill to commit players. Just like Nani.

He was also far more dangerous and productive doing that than he was getting to the byline and crossing balls back. Although of course he undoubtedly provided plenty of assists too. The point is obvious, even though Henry was still good enough as a winger to attract attention. He was a completely different class of player due to his consistency as a wide forward, than the inconsistency he often struggled with as a winger.
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There's plenty of forwards that like to drift into other positions, it's called good movement. Shevchenko always liked to come in from the left when he was at Milan, Adriano always pulled off to the right when he was at Inter I'm sure you can see the common thread here? Their all going onto their strongest foot.

Henry also had support for him coming down the left in the form of Pires and Cole, both of these pushed teams back and allowing him more time to play killer balls for the overlapping run or the opportunity to take on a few players or have a shot. He still didn't become the uber player we all know and remember until he became a STRIKER which is where he was most effective.

Nani has made his name as a winger. He's a tricky little cnut to play against and he can put in a cracking cross when he's arsed. Henry didn't do any of that in his time with Juve and France was only better due to the inferior league standards.

It's all bolloxed really both are fine players, shame Nani is potentially being a bit of a twat much like oul Terry Henry
 
Just seen the stuff from Zenit. A case of us making him available or Zenit offering silly money?
 
KanieKaned said:
There's plenty of forwards that like to drift into other positions, it's called good movement. Shevchenko always liked to come in from the left when he was at Milan, Adriano always pulled off to the right when he was at Inter I'm sure you can see the common thread here? Their all going onto their strongest foot.
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No that's completely ignoring the point, to try and make them one and the same when even Wenger and SAF acknowldege the difference was hugely significant.Henry was a winger, Wenger moved him in to a wide forward position and transformed his career. That is the point.

Henry always was a winger and he made his name there, just like Nani has. But again my point remains, that also like Henry, Nani's most dangerous attributes are geared towards goalscoring, and creating space in tight areas. Henry suffered from similar bouts of inconsistency as Nani does, and i believe it is because despite being able to do a job where he was, it is not where they are most comfortable or most effective.

It is my view that if Nani is played more in an advanced wide forward or Henry type role, then we will see similar added consistency in his game. I agree they are both top players, but the point i am trying to make is that Nani is always being slagged for being inconsistent, but we have to try and look at why.

Henry was similarly inconsistent for much of his early career and even his first year in England. The change of role made all the difference. It allowed him to do more of the things he was better at, in positions where he could do the most damage. That increases confidence, and i honestly believe and have said as much for a long while, that i believe playing Nani in a similar type of role, would allow him to do more of the things he is brilliant at, which can only increase both his effectiveness and his levels of consistency.
 
apotheosis said:
No that's completely ignoring the point, to try and make them one and the same when even Wenger and SAF acknowldege the difference was hugely significant.Henry was a winger, Wenger moved him in to a wide forward position and transformed his career. That is the point.

Henry always was a winger and he made his name there, just like Nani has. But again my point remains, that also like Henry, Nani's most dangerous attributes are geared towards goalscoring, and creating space in tight areas. Henry suffered from similar bouts of inconsistency as Nani does, and i believe it is because despite being able to do a job where he was, it is not where they are most comfortable or most effective.

It is my view that if Nani is played more in an advanced wide forward or Henry type role, then we will see similar added consistency in his game. I agree they are both top players, but the point i am trying to make is that Nani is always being slagged for being inconsistent, but we have to try and look at why.

Henry was similarly inconsistent for much of his early career and even his first year in England. The change of role made all the difference. It allowed him to do more of the things he was better at, in positions where he could do the most damage. That increases confidence, and i honestly believe and have said as much for a long while, that i believe playing Nani in a similar type of role, would allow him to do more of the things he is brilliant at, which can only increase both his effectiveness and his levels of consistency.
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Interesting opinion.

I just don't think we currently have the personnel in a 4-4-2 to accommodate a "wide forward" (and even if we did - surely itll be either Wayne or RvP) but in Europe, a interchangeable front 3 of Rooney/RvP/Nani might be worth a punt.

Leaves us with plenty of dilemmas wrt best accomodate Valencia and Kagawa, to name a few. Thank god I'm not the gaffer.
 
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