Luka Modric / Signs for Real Madrid

Modric is worth every penny and is a fine player. Why all the hate?! Just because he had a poor season by his very high standards?

In that case we should get rid of Evra, Nani and Jones.

Whoscored.com who analise players performance from Opta data and give them a rating have him as the third best player in the Premier League this year.
 
I hate this argument. Chelsea won the final, end of story. There's no "what ifs" in this world, especially not in football.

Why? It's perfectly accurate.

They did very well to win the CL, and deserved it in the end. But any club having to rely on winning the CL to get back into the competition isn't ideal - let alone one which with the resources it has should be comfortably top 4.

It was in response to a suggestion that the previous poster would be happy with finishing 6th if they won the CL and FA Cup. I don't think any top side should ever be happy with finishing 6th, regardless of other achievements.
 
Whoscored.com who analise players performance from Opta data and give them a rating have him as the third best player in the Premier League this year.

Exactly, he's a fine player and would suit United perfectly.

I don't think we'll get him - but we can always dream. He'll probably end up at City - but Spuds won't hold onto him for another year seeing as he demands CL football and they bottled it last season like they usually do.

But I can't see how people don't rate him - yet we had a 100,000 page thread on Sneijder last season who is 27 as well, isnt he? :wenger:
 
No No No

Overpriced and for the money we can do better.

He is not worth £35m plus them feckers at tottenham would demand. We got fecked over once by then lets learn from our lessons.

Interested to know who?

I know there are some highly rated young player around Europe, but few a as experienced or come with proven ability in English "type" football.
 
Why? It's perfectly accurate.

They did very well to win the CL, and deserved it in the end. But any club having to rely on winning the CL to get back into the competition isn't ideal for any club - lest alone one which with the resources it has should be comfortably top 4.

It was in response to a suggestion that the previous poster would be happy with finishing 6th if they won the Cl and FA Cup. I don't think any top side should ever be happy with finihsing 6th, regardless of other achievements.

It was a one off IMO - Chavs will be back in top 4 next season and Spurs will suffer for it.

I'd be buzzing if we won the CL this season, especially as we were dog shit in Europe. And Chelsea fans are right to be happy with their season.
 
I wonder what will happen with this now. Chelsea have bought in Marin and Hazard (neither of whom play in his position but still, there's only so many such midfielders they can have in the squad). And was Modric wanted by AVB or Abrahmovich? Former means they're unlikely to come back in, latter means we're in for another long summer).

Can you afford/ would Ferguson want to pay what we would demand for him?

A lot of different things could happen, I wouldn't mind him going abroad when he does go. Which I think is more likely this summer than last (the going abroad bit).

Though thinking about it, which teams need a midfielder like him? You? Juventus? City? Anyone else?
 
I wonder what will happen with this now. Chelsea have bought in Marin and Hazard (neither of whom play in his position but still, there's only so many such midfielders they can have in the squad). And was Modric wanted by AVB or Abrahmovich? Former means they're unlikely to come back in, latter means we're in for another long summer).

Can you afford/ would Ferguson want to pay what we would demand for him?

A lot of different things could happen, I wouldn't mind him going abroad when he does go. Which I think is more likely this summer than last (the going abroad bit).

Though thinking about it, which teams need a midfielder like him? You? Juventus? City? Anyone else?

40mil plus? Unlikely. Could happen though because i dont think Hazard would have moved for less than 30mil either so 10mil more shouldnt be an issue.
 
I wonder what will happen with this now. Chelsea have bought in Marin and Hazard (neither of whom play in his position but still, there's only so many such midfielders they can have in the squad). And was Modric wanted by AVB or Abrahmovich? Former means they're unlikely to come back in, latter means we're in for another long summer).

Can you afford/ would Ferguson want to pay what we would demand for him?

A lot of different things could happen, I wouldn't mind him going abroad when he does go. Which I think is more likely this summer than last (the going abroad bit).

Though thinking about it, which teams need a midfielder like him? You? Juventus? City? Anyone else?

He would be a nice fit for us. Real will need a replacement for Alonso, and Milan could definately do with a player like him what with their bland other options. Chelsea could of course use him as well, they're going to clear some players out.

I reckon Chelsea is his only realistic destination, though. We won't spend north of 30 million on him, that's for sure, and I can't see Real or Milan going for him really.(No reported interest as far as I know)
 
I doubt Chelsea would want him now, the priority for their two centre mids is to be solid defensively, theres enough creativity in the team already.
 
I doubt Chelsea would want him now, the priority for their two centre mids is to be solid defensively, theres enough creativity in the team already.

Modric/Essien or Modric/Mikel seems tasty, in behind Mata, with Hazard/Ramires wide and Torres up front.

Modric does a good enough job defensively. Basically a Lampard-replacement eventually.
 
Yeah if Ramires stays wide it would make sense, but they look to be signing Hulk so he would go wide and Ramires would come back into the middle.

I think Ramires/Mikel would be perfect for them. Both decent on the ball but extremely imposing defensively. It is just such a solid combination.
 
I think the Chelsea interest depends almost solely on who was chasing him last summer. If it was AVB, then the interest may well have gone. If it was Abrahmovich, he will buy now and let the new manager think later. And if it was Abrahmovich, we're in for a repeat of last summer.
 
I think the Chelsea interest depends almost solely on who was chasing him last summer. If it was AVB, then the interest may well have gone. If it was Abrahmovich, he will buy now and let the new manager think later. And if it was Abrahmovich, we're in for a repeat of last summer.

What if not Chelsea, but United were interested?

I'd imagine Modric would welcome that move.
 
Yeah if Ramires stays wide it would make sense, but they look to be signing Hulk so he would go wide and Ramires would come back into the middle.

I think Ramires/Mikel would be perfect for them. Both decent on the ball but extremely imposing defensively. It is just such a solid combination.

-- Ramires --- Mikel --

Hulk -- Mata -- Hazard

------Torres--------

Does look very good and they will surely buy another Striker as well.
 
-- Ramires --- Mikel --

Hulk -- Mata -- Hazard

------Torres--------

Does look very good and they will surely buy another Striker as well.

Unfortunately, that does look very good. Whether they can gel together is another matter though. And it's not the Chelsea with old players anymore.
 
Yeah exactly RedPavan.

Hopefully they stick with Torres, would be awful for us if they got Falcao or Llorente!
 
Yeah exactly RedPavan.

Hopefully they stick with Torres, would be awful for us if they got Falcao or Llorente!

I think they'll get Falcao. Signing Hazard showed their intent and I don't think he'd have agreed on a move if he hadn't be assured that they would continue strengthening the team. Torres was already out of favour towards the end of last season and they have lost Drogba so they will definitely be in the market for a strong forward.

Falcao will be available because Atletico cannot take a loss and will miss out on Champions League money once again. If they offer them €25m plus Torres it will be a very good deal for all involved and it makes perfect sense.
 
I think they'll get Falcao. Signing Hazard showed their intent and I don't think he'd have agreed on a move if he hadn't be assured that they would continue strengthening the team. Torres was already out of favour towards the end of last season and they have lost Drogba so they will definitely be in the market for a strong forward.

Falcao will be available because Atletico cannot take a loss and will miss out on Champions League money once again. If they offer them €25m plus Torres it will be a very good deal for all involved and it makes perfect sense.

They got Falcao for close to 40mil, didnt they?

I for one, wouldnt take 25mil+Torres for Falcao. He's a fecking beast..
 
Modric is worth every penny and is a fine player. Why all the hate?! Just because he had a poor season by his very high standards?

In that case we should get rid of Evra, Nani and Jones.

Nani was our 2nd most effective player this season. Only an idiot would suggest he had a poor season. A great one? No, a good one? Definitely
 
It was a one off IMO - Chavs will be back in top 4 next season and Spurs will suffer for it.

I'd be buzzing if we won the CL this season, especially as we were dog shit in Europe. And Chelsea fans are right to be happy with their season.

I agree, on both counts. I wouldn't be happy if United finished sixth though, regardless of what they won - it's leaving things to chance. That's all I was saying.

League is your bread and butter. "One off's" do happen in cup compeitions but poor league form is worrying. If that was United I would have been concerned. Chelsea meanwhile will go out and buy half a new team and will, in my view, push on significantly.
 
The sum total of the deal for Falcao was about 40m, but Athletico are not able to stump up the remainder of the cash for the installments. Hence they might be selling him.

Really? Where are you getting this from? As i see it , they just spent what they got from the Aguero sale.
 
Really? Where are you getting this from? As i see it , they just spent what they got from the Aguero sale.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/120510/where-next-europa-league-king-radamel-falcao-171739

So why exactly would Atletico be willing to sell their star striker after less than a year? The answer lies in their huge debt problem. The Madrid side saw the entirety of the transfer fee received from Kun Aguero's move to City go straight to the Spanish tax-authorities last summer, and even after that they still owe around 250 million Euros. The severity of their debt explains the complexity of Falcao's transfer from Porto. Falcao cost Atleti 40 million Euros in theory, but in reality they are estimated to have paid only half of that. The rest was covered by a third-party investment fund, the majority of which was made up by Falcao's representative, 'super agent' Jorge Mendes. Should a major club like Chelsea or Manchester City move in with a big offer for Falcao this summer, Atletico's debt problem combined with the desire of Mendes to continue to make money out of his investment could see the Madrid side bidding farewell to their MVP
 
Given the wages and transfer fee involved in both cases, I'd guess that Modric costs Spurs maybe as little as one quarter (per contract year) of what Hazard will be costing Chelski. Let me know when, after actually playing in the Prem, he can be fairly described as at least half as good.

Tottenham fans it appears are beginning to assume the arguments of Wenger, Arsenal fans, and yes, the five year plan.

Whether Modric costs less is completely and utterly irrelevant, what is relevant is what he does for that cost, where buying him and paying his salary gets you. You like to bang on that we bought Meireles because we couldn't get Modric yet Meireles was invaluable in our winning of the FA Cup and the Champions League which you might have seen on television whereas Modric and his cheaper contract got you another season of what Tottenham specialises in - ifs, buts and maybes.
 
I think the Chelsea interest depends almost solely on who was chasing him last summer. If it was AVB, then the interest may well have gone. If it was Abrahmovich, he will buy now and let the new manager think later. And if it was Abrahmovich, we're in for a repeat of last summer.

We were chasing him before the season had ended from what I recall.
 
I really want us to sign a new central midfielder, but I've said it before and I'll say it again, I do not want that midfielder to be the good, but massively overrated player that is Modric.

Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, but he often makes himself look better than he really is when he's in midfield battles against teams that to be quite frank, it would be shocking if he didn't control the games against them. He often goes missing in the big games, which is a major reason why Spurs have often been overrun in big games last season, and why they were heavily defeated in several of those games too.

As I've said, good player, but he wouldn't be worth anywhere near the sort of fees being talked about, and he wouldn't be too much of an improvement on what we already have. He's better than Carrick, but not by as much as we really need for a player. He may control games against smaller teams better than him, however he'll have the exact same problems in games when we're under high pressure.

So true. I've watched him time and time again and really do not know where the hype comes from. You give him acres on the ball and he becomes a good player, when pressed and hassled he is incredibly regressive and gives the ball away time and time again. We already have a midfielder who is nearly as good when given all the time in the world, the last thing we need is another central midfielder who is testicularly-challenged when under pressure.

What we need is a strong box-to-box midfielder who imposes himself when it matters.
 
Bollocks, he plays very well in tight spaces from what I've seen.

He's not overrated at all - he's a fantastic midfielder.

But haters gonna hate etc
 
... Whether Modric costs less is completely and utterly irrelevant ...
Spoken like a true fan of a sugar-daddy club that doesn't have to earn what it spends.

You've committed to spend probably around 4 times-per-year-as-much on Hazard as Spurs have with Modric. And on that basis alone Hazard has claim to being, it seems in your view, one of the world's "greatest players".

You might want to wait before wreathing him in such laurels .... just a suggestion.
 
.... when pressed and hassled he is incredibly regressive and gives the ball away time and time again ....
You must be watching a different player: Modric excels at getting away from/out of tight situations.
 
So true. I've watched him time and time again and really do not know where the hype comes from. You give him acres on the ball and he becomes a good player, when pressed and hassled he is incredibly regressive and gives the ball away time and time again. We already have a midfielder who is nearly as good when given all the time in the world, the last thing we need is another central midfielder who is testicularly-challenged when under pressure.

What we need is a strong box-to-box midfielder who imposes himself when it matters.

What, that is the exact opposite of Modric? His passing, dribbling and ability to hold onto the ball in tight spaces and under pressure is excellent. His ability to retain possession is one his best assets.
 
Tottenham fans it appears are beginning to assume the arguments of Wenger, Arsenal fans, and yes, the five year plan.

Whether Modric costs less is completely and utterly irrelevant, what is relevant is what he does for that cost, where buying him and paying his salary gets you. You like to bang on that we bought Meireles because we couldn't get Modric yet Meireles was invaluable in our winning of the FA Cup and the Champions League which you might have seen on television whereas Modric and his cheaper contract got you another season of what Tottenham specialises in - ifs, buts and maybes.

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