Didn't Cesc have a long term contract? it was Nasri who had 1 year left surely? Am I wrong or is Sam Wallace chatting absolute bollocks as usual.
Luka Modric / Signs for Real Madrid
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Didn't Cesc have a long term contract? it was Nasri who had 1 year left surely? Am I wrong or is Sam Wallace chatting absolute bollocks as usual.
Berbatov but that doesn't mean that he was one of the best strikers in the league. He scored 12 and then 15 league goals, in a team set up strongly for his and Keane's strengths.
Modric is still only 26. And he is the kind of player who will play at the top level for a long time.
Of course it isn't being overplayed. As I said earlier on this thread, there is a reason the top clubs don't tend to sell their best players, because they're difficult to replace and the process is fraught with risk. Especially so for a club at our level. We've been looking to buy a striker ever since Berbatov and Keane left. Our efforts since then have been Pav, Frazier Campbell on loan, Crouch, Defoe, Adebayor on loan and Saha. We can't afford the wages that these kinds of players want.
It may be in our best interests to get rid of Modric (personally I don't agree with that, it is never in any club's best interests to get rid of their best players) but I see no reason why we should get bullied into accepting silly bids for one of the best cms in the league, with 4 years left on his contract after we paid 16.5 million for him and the whole market is crazy. Levy has almost always received the fees he wanted for players, squad or otherwise. Modric almost certainly won't be different.
You are correct sir...
Day 24, 09:37am in muppet land...Luka Modric has still not been signed up...africanspur is talking about selling Modric. The muppets are shifting between Modric, Lewandowski and Powell threads to satisfy their needs...Niall is in the admin office coming up with some odds for the chances of Modric signing for Manchester United....
Perhaps so. I don't personally think its great to keep a player against his wishes for too long and I can certainly see and 100% understand the reasons behind Modric wanting to leave. If he doesn't act too badly ie become Berbatov and especially if he goes abroad, I wish him every happiness.
Can we though? How much does 30 million actually get you in today's market? Last summer, AOC went for 12-15 million, Mertesacker and Gervinho for 10 each, Mata for 26 million, Lukaku for 20 million, Ruiz for 10 million, Henderson and Downing for 20 million each, Aguero for 35, Nasri with a year left on his contract 25, De Gea, Jones and Young all for around 18 million each, Palacios and Crouch for 20 million
, etc etc. 30 million, for the most part, doesn't get you that much anymore. There's a good reason why the top clubs stay where they are and the clubs the level below, ie Seville/Aston Villa/probably us once we sell Modric and Bale and have all that money to play with stay where we are. They keep their top players. And buy ours. We sell them. Eventually, you don't find the players to replace them anymore and you fall back into mediocrity again. You can do it maybe once, twice. A few more times if your scouting department is great and you get a bit of luck. Not more.
We're much more likely to find the next Pav and Zokora than the next Berbatov and Modric. There's good reason for that, because otherwise the buying club would usually just buy that player instead.
Perhaps so. I don't personally think its great to keep a player against his wishes for too long and I can certainly see and 100% understand the reasons behind Modric wanting to leave. If he doesn't act too badly ie become Berbatov and especially if he goes abroad, I wish him every happiness.
Can we though? How much does 30 million actually get you in today's market? Last summer, AOC went for 12-15 million, Mertesacker and Gervinho for 10 each, Mata for 26 million, Lukaku for 20 million, Ruiz for 10 million, Henderson and Downing for 20 million each, Aguero for 35, Nasri with a year left on his contract 25, De Gea, Jones and Young all for around 18 million each, Palacios and Crouch for 20 million
There's a good reason why the top clubs stay where they are and the clubs the level below, ie Seville/Aston Villa/probably us once we sell Modric and Bale and have all that money to play with stay where we are. They keep their top players. And buy ours. We sell them. Eventually, you don't find the players to replace them anymore and you fall back into mediocrity again. You can do it maybe once, twice. A few more times if your scouting department is great and you get a bit of luck. Not more.
We're much more likely to find the next Pav and Zokora than the next Berbatov and Modric. There's good reason for that, because otherwise the buying club would usually just buy that player instead.
A very downbeat view of things, africanspur. I see no reason to suppose the pattern of recent years should change. You have slightly more room to take chances with emerging talent, they get a couple of years to develop and reveal themselves with you lot without the constant and immediate imperative of trophies. So with a decent scouting network you get the chance to bring these guys in, give them their shot then sell them on if the gamble pays off and they are a Modric or a Berbs. The mark-up on the players you've listed more than compensates for some of the dross you've signed in the meantime and leaves you with ample to fund the next round.
Top players will always want to compete at the highest level. Your dilemma now is how to make the next step. But I see no reason to believe that the likes of Modric is going to disappear from the radar. It's just who's stays sharp enough to find them.
That's the Levy i know and love , for a minute there i thought he was going soft.
Perhaps so. I don't personally think its great to keep a player against his wishes for too long and I can certainly see and 100% understand the reasons behind Modric wanting to leave. If he doesn't act too badly ie become Berbatov and especially if he goes abroad, I wish him every happiness.
Can we though? How much does 30 million actually get you in today's market? Last summer, AOC went for 12-15 million, Mertesacker and Gervinho for 10 each, Mata for 26 million, Lukaku for 20 million, Ruiz for 10 million, Henderson and Downing for 20 million each, Aguero for 35, Nasri with a year left on his contract 25, De Gea, Jones and Young all for around 18 million each, Palacios and Crouch for 20 million
There's a good reason why the top clubs stay where they are and the clubs the level below, ie Seville/Aston Villa/probably us once we sell Modric and Bale and have all that money to play with stay where we are. They keep their top players. And buy ours. We sell them. Eventually, you don't find the players to replace them anymore and you fall back into mediocrity again. You can do it maybe once, twice. A few more times if your scouting department is great and you get a bit of luck. Not more.
We're much more likely to find the next Pav and Zokora than the next Berbatov and Modric. There's good reason for that, because otherwise the buying club would usually just buy that player instead.
I think that is the challenge that Spurs must succeed in to overcome clubs with bigger wage bills in front of them though. They have to continue decent investment but find players for better value than others. Examples that spring to mind are the likes of Kompany, Hernandez, Evra, Vidic, Berba when you first got him for 10m, Bale etc etc... Players who didn't cost major money but were extremely good signings.
Spurs is an attractive club for that bracket of player who is talented, not yet at a big club and isn't yet coveted by the teams that will offer double wages. It has to be Spurs' strategy to do that IMO. Having a player who will fetch £30m and isn't putting it performance consistently for the team that suggest he is of that value is a luxury.
Spurs' challenge is to stay just behind the biggest, richest clubs; in the current football climate, the way football works they cannot aim any higher than that. If Financial Fair Play is ever enforced properly, they won't even be able to hope for a sheikh or something.
They can only ever be the Valencia of England, no matter how shrewd signings they make.
I don't really follow... if FFP was ever enforced, and they manage to get their stadium sorted out, they'd be in as good a position as anybody apart from us and (if they could get their shit together) Liverpool.
Them, Chelsea, Arsenal, Villa, Everton and Newcastle are all pretty much on a par in terms of inherent / historical stature and support.
Only way we will get Modric is if no one else is interested.
I would rather go for Sneijder, looking awesome against the Danes..
No chance. Arsenal have considerably more fans and big revenues. Fortunately for Spurs, the Arsenal fans are ripped off for their season tickets every year as the club make profits from transfer revenues.
Arsenal have a bigger stadium and much higher revenue; Liverpool have more commercial potential though the stadium issue hinders them as much as Spurs; and of course there's United.
Agreed
i rate WS more, and like him much more as a player but they play quite different positions and styles.
After getting kagawa, Modric would suit us more....without question though WS is of the highest class and I would be interested to see how he would fit in with us.
WS is a better player but he is injury prone
Do you ever give it a rest? You're like a broken, miserable record.
Modric = pure class. I can't believe there are people that don't think he'd add something to our team.
Of course he would just not £35m worth of addition.
Agreed. And 30 mill is nothing in todays market for such a player. If we sign him then we can seriously start to compete with Europes elite again.
Nice touches, always one step ahead of the Ireland midfield (which ain't too hard). Would be a good buy.
Want. Want. Want.
But that means he's shit..
He's not in the Iniesta or Xavi class, but he'd improve our midfield.
Who is to be fair?
de gea
rafael ferdinand vidic evra
carrick
modric
kagawa
rooney
nani
welbeck
rafael ferdinand vidic evra
carrick
modric
kagawa
rooney
nani
welbeck
No one. And they're not available. So if we want someone who'll do the business next season, we have to settle for something less.
I think if we don't get him this summer, we might go for him at all because this time next year he will be close to turning 28 and the price won't be right for him.
We'd have such a complete team with him in there, if everyone was fully fit we'd look something like this...
De gea
Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
Carrick Modric
Valencia Kagawa Nani
Rooney
Up there with Real Madrids starting 11 IMO, it has everything, speed, width, skill, quick passing, great dribblers, and one of the best forwards in the world in Rooney. Along with one of the best defences in the world. He'd be a massive addition for us, and I really do think he is worth paying 35million for, great player.
He could even play in a midfield 2, when we want Rooney behind Welbeck.
De gea
Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
Carrick Modric
Valencia Kagawa Nani
Rooney
Up there with Real Madrids starting 11 IMO, it has everything, speed, width, skill, quick passing, great dribblers, and one of the best forwards in the world in Rooney. Along with one of the best defences in the world. He'd be a massive addition for us, and I really do think he is worth paying 35million for, great player.
He could even play in a midfield 2, when we want Rooney behind Welbeck.
Lads, Fergie wants him. But we'll have to pay big money.
RE Modric to United:
Martin Lipton @MartinLipton
Not done at all. Levy will play hardball. But Fergie wants him, big-time
This is coming from this respected sports journo...
RE Modric to United:
Martin Lipton @MartinLipton
Not done at all. Levy will play hardball. But Fergie wants him, big-time
This is coming from this respected sports journo...
back four is the weak spot.
wtf is that got to do with Modric and who is that bitch on the Chelsea TV?
she tore him a new one.Well he's claimed Fergie wants him big time, which is enough to get some people's juices flowing, and I was just looking for an excuse to post that.
And that's with the best center back in the world, the best English center back, and one of the best left backs in the world...
Evra was a weak spot in our defense last season, and so was Rafael at times. Our centre backs are among the best in the world, but the full back positions are a work in progress.
Evra has come down a bit from his lofty heights of godlike status, before the 2010 World Cup when he defended as well as he attacked. But he's still one of the best 5 or so left backs in the game. Considering he wears the captain's armband when Vidic isn't playing, I get the feeling SAF will be sticking with Evra for a while yet.
The way Evra played last season was more like a left winger/midfielder than a left back, his average position was usually further forward than our most defensive midfielder. I have a hard time believing he suddenly forgot how to get back on defense, it seems to me it was a strategy by SAF to get an extra man in midfield, in effect.
The way Evra played last season was more like a left winger/midfielder than a left back, his average position was usually further forward than our most defensive midfielder. I have a hard time believing he suddenly forgot how to get back on defense, it seems to me it was a strategy by SAF to get an extra man in midfield, in effect.
You can hardly call a back four with Rio and Vidic a week spot, but the only spot that needs strengthening is left back. Right back I'd like to see Sir Alex give Rafael some faith and play him regularly, he is by far our best right back and has shown if he gets a run of games he can be dependable, even though he is young and prone to the odd lapse of concentration. Rio, even though he is old is still class, and Vidic I hope will come back to his best, which is being the best defender in the world. Evra is passed his best but still decent, despite what everyone says about him.