Luka Modric / Signs for Real Madrid
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Holy crap!Can we somehow fork up around £40m for Modric and Strootman? Anyone has any hope of these two deals happening?
De Gea
Rafael-------Rio---------Vidic---------Evra
Carrick---------Modric
Valencia---------Kagawa----------Young
Rooney
Lindegaard
Jones---------Smalling--------Evans---------Fabio(?)
Strootman----------Scholes
Nani----------Cleverley-----------Giggs
Welbeck/Hernandez
Rafael-------Rio---------Vidic---------Evra
Carrick---------Modric
Valencia---------Kagawa----------Young
Rooney
Lindegaard
Jones---------Smalling--------Evans---------Fabio(?)
Strootman----------Scholes
Nani----------Cleverley-----------Giggs
Welbeck/Hernandez
Modric signing isn't going to be straightforward.
Both City and Chelsea have a need for that type of a midfielder and I can see them both getting involved. We know Modric was keen on Chelsea last year, so its going to be tough to be very tough to get him.
It'll probably all kick off after the Euros.
Both City and Chelsea have a need for that type of a midfielder and I can see them both getting involved. We know Modric was keen on Chelsea last year, so its going to be tough to be very tough to get him.
It'll probably all kick off after the Euros.
Why you'd pay anywhere near 30mill for modric, when you could probably get Sneijder, who is by far the better player, by a long distance, for the same price amazes me.
This whole, 'but he'sproven in the premiership' bollocks does my head in. Great players can play in any league. One is a little scamp, that on his best day runs about a lot and passes sidewards most of the time, the other is a truely world class class player with an exceptional range of passing, a dead ball specialist and decent from long range shooting.
I understand Sneijder is a bit older, but he's different class. modric is not even in the same league, for someone who plays he same type of position.
This whole, 'but he'sproven in the premiership' bollocks does my head in. Great players can play in any league. One is a little scamp, that on his best day runs about a lot and passes sidewards most of the time, the other is a truely world class class player with an exceptional range of passing, a dead ball specialist and decent from long range shooting.
I understand Sneijder is a bit older, but he's different class. modric is not even in the same league, for someone who plays he same type of position.
They don't. One is an attacking midfielder. One is a deep lying playmaker. And Modric's passing range is outstanding.
You forgot Sneidjer is injury prone.
No, it's not. It's decent, at best. His passing isn't even on a par with Carrick. Modric is supposed to be an AM by some accounts, a CM by others and a DLP by your reckoning, as a pure CM he's good, as a DLP I'd have Carrick. As an AM, Sneijder pisses all over him.
How often have you seen Modric play AM behind the striker? Maybe for Croatia he does. We have Kagawa who plays in the same position as Sneidjer. So we absolutely don't need the later. We need a CM/DLP and Modric fits that bill.
You make it sound like modric is just some decent player, when he's really one of the best midfielders around. I admit sneijder is better, but he's one or 2 years older, and he plays behind the striker, as a number 10, a position we just strengthened by signing kagawa, so it would make perfect sense to sign modric.
Plus we can save some money when it comes to wages with Modric because Sneidjer is going to demand a lot more.
He plays pretty much deeper for Spuds. We don't need Sneijder now that we have Shinji. Not to mention Sniejder has come off a pretty shit season with Inter.
If Modric comes here, I'd expect him to play the role that Scholes plays. Carrick and him can easily play together.
Obviously TDon knows as little about Sneijder as he does about Staffordshire Bull Terriers.
This is so ill-informed it hurts a little.
No. Just no. He's above average in the premiership, but that isn't saying much.
He's not world class and never will be. If he's signed for backup to Carrick, I could understand that, but I've seen people describe him as a 'great AM' which he most certainly is not.
He hasn't got the size or bite to be a great CM, Martinez/Vidal would totally eclipse him and that's me using two relative youngster to be consertitive, Carrick is a better option for DLP, he's not by any means a great AM.
What he is good at though is being given a free role in midfield, where he can run about and do whatever the feck he wants. Would that suit us? I don't know, but he's not the bset option, for big money, in any other case.
Yeah about Kagawa, I'd agree, but if we're going to spunk away 30 mill on a position we've already got covered, I'd prefer it to be Sneijder, who's form my be lacking, but ability unquestionable.
We're talking about football, move along.
It's not ill informed. It's an opinion from experience of watching said player.
Okay, one he is not going to come here to play AM. Two, he aint coming here to play backup to Carrick. They also have different roles. Modric is not a DM. And three, he is not just above average. He is one of the best in his position as a CM/playmaker.
Were you wearing a blindfold by any chance? Or is it from watching one game?
What part of Modric is going to play CM behind Kagawa and not AM, do you not feckING understand?
TBF to him he has admitted in the Ireland thread that he's a bit hammered.
Nope, wearing a blindfold would not be conducive to actually watching a match.
I've seen plenty of him. He's a jack of all trades in midfield but excels at nothing.
Makes a bit more sense I suppose.
Oooooh you can curse, in capitals too, woweee!!! Pity you've totally misread my post, you clown.
I've stated that Kagawa would play AM and Modric CM, but if we are going to spend 30 million on a position that is already covered, i.e. AM/Kagawa CM/Carrick, Anderson, Scholes, Fletcher, Giggs, Cleverley etc. Then I would rather spend 30 million on an 'extra' AM in Sneijder than blow it on Modric who is no better than what we've already got in CM.
Can you follow that now, or do you need some help?
Shut up you two. I may be hammered, but I won't regeret any of this in the morning, hopefully.
Fletcher might not even play again. And Giggs is so effective when he plays central midfield right? Modric can take over from Scholes next year when he retires. Anderson can't stay fit for more than two months and can barely last the whole 90 minutes.
He is a much better player than Carrick, I don't think there can be any argument about that. Anyways why can't you understand that he would play next to Carrick, behind Kagawa?Rooney
Nani Kagawa Valencia
Carrick Modric
Nani Kagawa Valencia
Carrick Modric
Sneijder wouldn't contest Modric if he came, he would play in Kagawa's position. He's a pure central midfielder, not an attacking mid, nor a defensive midfielder. Look at Barca, they have Busquets as their DM, Iniesta as an AM and Xavi as their CM. That's sort of the role Modric would have for us.
Again with people mentioning size, how many players have to come in the premier league before English people stop spouting nonsense about size. Look at Silva, Mata, Aguero, all amongst the best players in the premier league. The best player in the world is 5'7" ffs, and people still give a shit about size.
If he came he would be instantly amongst our best passers, and would probably be one of the best players technically we have (up there with Nani). He ran the match today as well, such a tidy player on the ball.
Also, I'm going to whisper this, Cleverley isn't actually that good, consistently outperformed by the inconsistent Anderson early season and constantly fecking injured. Also seemingly more interested in being a brand. His being injured means that he has been elevated beyond his level.
Modric would be the standout with Carrick and Scholes in that list, the others aren't in that quality. Giggs in the middle again *shudder*.
Modric would be the standout with Carrick and Scholes in that list, the others aren't in that quality. Giggs in the middle again *shudder*.
Carrick pisses all over him though. Tbf I'd take him as backup to Carick if we fail to get martinez, but I'd still be disappointed. He is vastly overrated. No matter which position you claim he plays.
Again, he aint a defensive mid like Carrick is. So why would Modric be a backup for Carrick? He is going to play ALONGSIDE Carrick in a midfield 2 or 3.
How are we covered in CM? Sure we have numbers there, but considering Fletcher may never play again, and even if he does we have no idea how he will be. Scholes and Giggs are 37 and 38 years old, and more than likely retiring after this season. Giggs is pretty poor in CM anyway. Cleverley and Anderson are really injury prone as well. That leaves us with Carrick being the only reliable center midfielder, but even he when put under pressure plays shite and gives the ball away. We need a mobile midfielder who can keep the ball under pressure and who can move about the pitch. At the start of last season we had Cleverley doing that, and even though he isn't half the player Modric is yet we played some wonderful stuff just because of the type of player he is.
I think we ought to forget about Martinez, SAF has already admitted hat he doesn't go for defensive midfield types (Martinez is practically a CB now).
Modric would be a perfect fit alongside Carrick, and I certainly wouldn't say that Carrick pisses all over him.
I wouldn't even say that Carrick is on Modric's level, let alone pisses all over him. He's a really good central midfielder but he has his weaknesses (ie. No goals from midfield, doesn't make forward runs, not very mobile, poor when put under pressure, although that might be partially because of the players beside him not giving him options), where as Modric has all those qualities (minus Carrick's defensive qualities), and pretty much the same passing range if not better.
So true, also known as the Hargreaves Effect.
Right, firstly, Modric isn't an AM, I don't recall him playing there. His shooting is far too bad to play there, his finishing is usually terrible. His movement's great, like Carrick, he gets into the positions to pick the ball up, and move it along. He's great at shielding the ball and is stronger than his size suggests.
But he's not a CM either. He's not defensively proficient enough to play there, I've never seen him ever boss a game defensively, but he has controlled it going forward.
Comparisons to Sneijder are pointless. Rooney's a closer player to Sneijder, and Carrick to Modric.
Neither of whom we'll get. Too often we've lacked an enforcer. A Toure, Schweinsteiger etc. Modric is no that player. Modric is very similar to how Scholes has played. I think he's 26, why pay that for what we already have. I've been a huge admirer of his, and would loved to have seen him at United, but not now, it's not his time.
We won't sign Modric, and you can quote me on that.
You just shit all over your own argument there. Check out Liam's post. He's just schooled you all. I would have too, but I'm pissed and I don't even care anymore.
What exactly would a midfield of Kagawa-Carrick-Modric lack? It's got a deeper lying midfielder who is good at shielding the back four, it has a creative player to play splitting through balls (Kagawa) and it has Modric to control the tempo of the game, and spread the ball around the field. Not all the teams have a destroying type center midfielder these days, and all the decent/good ones are taken with no chance of us getting them. Modric I think would be the perfect blend between attacking and defensive IMO.
And who exactly do we already have when you say pay that for what we already have? 37 year old Scholes? As much as I love him, we need to replace him, and why wouldn't we replace him with a player who plays similarly to how Scholes did a few years back?
Erm.. Carrick has 29 goals in 515 games in his career. Modric has 50 goals in 283 games. Not even close.
Because he's nowhere near as good and never will be. Especially not for 30-40 million.
Carrick and Modric together would be a great partnership. Definitely. Scholes getting more rests, Kagawa in front of them and Rooney up top looks great on paper. Carrick shines with a player like Modric next to him and vice versa.
There would be absolutely no dynamism in that midfield. Carrick, although good at breaking up play with his reading of the game, has nowhere near enough aggression to be a defensive midfielder. When we played City, the team had no bite whatsoever. Funnily enough, the one player who showed any sort of desire, was Carrick. It surprised me because it's not his game at all.
I'd love Song at United. He's excellent for Arsenal, strong, dynamic, and creative. People will say he's not United quality, but we could do with someone of that mould, and as you said, there aren't many players available.
I would like that kind of player, but next to Carrick I don't think it would be that great of an option. I think we'd be too defensive if we had someone like that next to Carrick, but then again it depends on which player it is. I see where you're coming from, it'd be sort of like what Real Madrid have right now, with Khedira as their "aggressive type" and Alonso being what Carrick would be to us. If we could sign someone like Schweinsteiger to play there it would be a dream come true, but the reality is that there is nobody around like that that we have a chance to sign. Regardless, Modric would be a huge improvement on what we currently have, so why wouldn't we look to improve our weakest position?
Well Carrick's 31 in a month, he won't be playing at this level for many more years, so I could understand us signing Modric next season. Then (assuming his form is maintained), I'd be delighted, as we'd be phasing Carrick out. But if we were to sign someone like Song, Cleverley (or even Anderson) could possibly be Carrick's replacement. Of course you're relying on a game developing and injury problems clearing up with them two respectively.
And yes, Modric would be a great improvement on what we have, but with the club's current financial situation, he's not what we need, and not what I'd want the club forking £30M on.
And yes, Modric would be a great improvement on what we have, but with the club's current financial situation, he's not what we need, and not what I'd want the club forking £30M on.