I wouldn't say Ederson is average so far from what I've seen. De Gea is better though which is no shame.Have a seat mate. Don't compare Ederson to De Gea again. Ederson is an average keeper. End of
Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)
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Well he can De Gea is the best goalkeeper in the league and his ball distribution is a big part of that.
I started some of this. Our players play a very different style of football to yours due to physical differences, hence Lukaku/Ibra/Matic/Pogba would NOT fit our game.
You don’t want to realise how little ground some of your players cover, and how much it matters, you prefer to muddy the waters with the safer ground of Bailly and De Gea.
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No really great examples
Spurs have won nothing for a decade.
Dortmund have won one trophy in 5 years and 4 in 10 years.
Atletico have won two in 5 years and 4 in 10 years.
all less than city and PSG have done.
In terms of financing how is Atletico's failure to pay 100's of millions of euros in taxes and getting millions in handouts from the the spanish government any better than city and psg?
Dortmunds model is based upon player sales, but that only works with the inflated transfer market generated by city, PSG, Chelsea, us, Real and Barcelona.
I am not a huge fan of sugar daddies but the structure of european football does mean they are virtually the only way that teams can break into the elite. Teams breaking into the elite (and others dropping out) is in the long run the only way to keep football interesting.
Deary me, now they are trying to say Ederson is better than De Gea after 13 league games 
United's way of playing has brought more success than City's so far though... Two trophies to none.
As far as I understand you would have to pay a fee if you want in January. But it doesn't matter any way as you will have to pay bonuses, sign on fees and bigger salaries if free.
Not true
In the 10 years prior to mansour takeover there were
3 different winners of the premier league.
4 different winners of the FA cup
7 different winners of the league cup
In the 10 years since there have been
4 different winners of the premier league
6 different winners of the FA cup
7 different winners of the league cup
and since mansour, Leicester, Swansea, Birmingham, Wigan and Portsmouth have all won trophies
you look at when it stopped being as competitive, it can be argued that it was the start of the premier league, although the differences are not huge, about the same as pre mansour to post mansour when analysed over a 10 year period
10 years prior to premier league
4 different winners of the league
7 different winners of the FA Cup
8 different winners of the league cup
first 10 years of Premier league
3 different winners of the league
5 different winners of the FA cup
8 different winners of league cup
However if you analyse over a 15 year period then the difference is more marked
15 years chosen because its the premier league before the arrival of mansour
15 years prior to premier league
6 different winners of the league
9 different winners of the FA Cup
9 different winners of the league cup
first 15 years of Premier league
4 different winners of the league (includes a sugar daddy club win)
7 different winners of the FA cup (includes a sugar daddy club win)
8 different winners of league cup
Interesting looking all that up
comments would be appreciated
Interesting for the opponents.
Kompany really should have walked early yesterday and looked very rusty. Not sure I'd start him ahead of Mangala v Huddersfield. I'd give him minutes vs Feyenoord instead.
Hopeful team for Feyenoord as its a free hit.
---------------Bravo--------------
Danilo--Kompany------Adarabioyo--Zinchenko
-----------------Yaya-------------
---------Gundogan--Foden--------
B.Silva------------------------Diaz
-------------Aguero---------------
Hopeful team for Feyenoord as its a free hit.
---------------Bravo--------------
Danilo--Kompany------Adarabioyo--Zinchenko
-----------------Yaya-------------
---------Gundogan--Foden--------
B.Silva------------------------Diaz
-------------Aguero---------------
Deary me, now they are trying to say Ederson is better than De Gea after 13 league games
Are we talking De Gea’s first 13 league games for United here vs Ederson’s first 13 for City?
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It's not a free hit if we want to win the group
Kompany was very lucky to stay on. The offside goal against Arsenal was blatant. Sterling was fouled, clear as day on the back of his left leg. So was Bernardo against Burnley where the keeper trapped his foot as he landed. You can't just make up that they were dives. They weren't.
Literally our only dropped points this season came in a game where Walker was wrongfully sent off but you didn't mention that one?
One competition in which only United participated from the two and one in in which United's best selection beat City's backup XI 1-0.
You would have probably won the Everton game but for that bad decision. This has been more than offset though by the poor officiating & astonishing strokes of luck in your favor, in the majority of your games this season. We can't know what the outcome of these games would have been if things had gone the other way. We can definitely say you deserved to drop points at Bournemouth as the game was 1-1 when it should have finished. The fact that there are City fans on here disputing even this tells you there are many Blues who can't see the game objectively.
Is that the Bournemouth game where Nathan Ake should’ve been sent off in the first half for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity? An incident where there wasn’t a covering Bournemouth player within about a quarter of an acre unlike Kompany’s yesterday where Stones was close by (I do think we got away with that one but I can understand why the ref didn’t give it)
As for scoring in added on added time, seriously how a United fan can complain about such a thing when you wrote the book on that is beyond me - are you forgetting the derby at Old Trafford in September 2009? I wouldn’t mind, but after Sterling scored at Bournemouth the ref carried on playing for about a minute after the restart, in which time they launched an attack whereas when Owen scored against us, we weren’t even given time to fart before the ref blew up
As it stands atm...
1st - possibly Real, Bayern, Juve, Porto, Basel, Sevilla and possibly Atletico.
2nd - possibly Besiktas, Barca, Roma or PSG
Honestly I don't see the draw being any kinder regardless of whether we top the group or not.
Plus Feyenoord were so bad this season so far, I'd fancy the team I listed to beat them. I also think Napoli will get something off Shaktar so we'll be winning the group this week.
It wasn't a back up XI...
No, you are correct, there were about four, maybe five, regulars in the starting line-up.
Not that it matters, one manager chose to play a stronger team and won the cup. Can’t complain about that. The team for that game is below. Sane, Kompany and Otamendi all in and around the first team still.
Man City
- 13Caballero
- 50Maffeo
- 4Kompany
- 30Otamendi
- 22Clichy
- 15Jesús Navas
- 75García
- 6Fernando
- 9Nolito
- 19Sané
- 72Iheanacho
Maffeo and Garcia are the only two non senior players. The rest were all playing games in the prem
This "B-team" could still walk the league
He didn’t say it wasn’t a senior team though, he said it was a backup 11. Hard to disagree with that really in the main. Pep got rid of nearly every single one of those, so clearly didn’t rate them. It’s irrelevent anyway, a team can’t not win a trophy then blame team selection. That’s their own fault.
I don't understand why you lot always throw it up then if it doesn't matter?
You brought more first team players on from the bench too IIRC
This "B-team" could still walk the league
Not a hope too many kids. Also its a poor defence imho. Should still be competitive with all bar the top 7 or so though.
It was a team without Aguero, KDB, Silva, Sterling, Fernandinho, Sagna, Stones and Bravo (the latter possibly thankfully). A couple came on chasing the game but it certainly wasn't our first team. It was though a decent side and not exactly the reserves or kids but was far from first choice City. B-Team is harsh, more like rotational XI, at the time too Sane was clearly not first choice, only Clichy and one of Kompany/Otamendi were at the time.
Trophies are only one way to measure success and I think the point that was being made was that Pep and city played a weak side because in their view they did not view success in that one competition to be that important in terms of the season as a whole. You can argue how many senior players were in the squad, but the midfield we played was poor to say the least. Europa league is Europa league.
Even though we did not win a trophy last year or played particularly well. I cannot see pep wanting at all to switch seasons. He is a perfectionist and to play so poor in the league may have given him a stroke irregardless of other trophies won hence why success is subjective.
Sterling for 30 and Aguero for 20 minutes if I'm not mistaken. Regardless of how you look at it the team you played for the first hour had 3 starters, the team from 60 minutes on 4, and the last 20 minutes 5. Only 5 of the 14 players who played that day are still at the club.... if that's not telling I don't know what is.
Take United by comparison. Only Schneiderlin played that day who is surplus to you guys and moved on (Carrick too given his playtime this season).
Mourinho had a better first season than Pep. Think that's clear. Throwing out excuses about the league cup game is very salty and weak to say the least.
When it's all said and done major honours are what you judge a club on. Mourinho has added two Pep zero (thus far)
Blind, Shaw and Carrick started for United.
Lingard and Schneiderlin came off the bench.
It wasn't a United first team either and tbh I don't understand the point. United wouldn't have won if Pep had decided otherwise? It's laughable
Where did I say you wouldn't have won anyway? there's no way to know what would have happened first choice v first choice.
I'll put it simple, Uniteds key players Pogba, Zlatan, DDG, Hererra (who was key last season, just look at the Herrera v Kante thread) all started and played every minute of that game. In comparison David Silva, Kevin De Bruyne were sat at home, Fernandinho didn't come on and Aguero played less than 20 minutes.
Well I'm not sure why you lot bring it up as if you fielded a team of U21 players and United went full strength...
United didn't have a first team out, nor did City. United won and were the better team.
Still fancy us to win it if we keep Pogba fit. If KdB gets injured City will start dropping points. With the injured players coming back I expect the gap to narrow.
I think you'll find I've often called it B-Team, never kids or reserves. As I said B-Team possibly harsh but rotational team is too long to type.
As was United's with Shaw, Carrick and Blind
Lots of ifs there, only way I can see United winning the league is if we start balling up against the teams outside the top 6 and at the moment I can't see us doing that regularly, we'll no doubt hit a sticky patch but then United will hit another poor patch too, I think we just need to win another 17 games out of 26, that means united would probably have to win 20 out of 26 which is some going
You're not backing down, I admire that, but what key players did Jose sit out for them? I'm pretty sure Jose played them because he had injured CB's no? Jose played the strongest XI he had available to him including all his star players.
Pep intentionally left all his top players out of his starting XI. Would City have won had he not? God knows, maybe, maybe not. Was it a bad decision? In hindsight yes it was as he handed Jose the momentum in the only tough draw United got in the league cup, cost himself a shot at a trophy while putting Jose in a great spot for one.
If Jose left out Pogba, Zlatan, Herrera and DDG for Romero, Carrick and two youths against a City team fielding the best XI available to them don't even pretend you wouldn't call it a United B-Team regardless of who was on the pitch around them.
You played the best team you had available, we didn't. You won and deservedly so its not that big a deal to admit it.
I think that result/Jose winning the cup really must irk some of you hence the constant caveat that 'it was our B team'.
It's as if the first team blew United away last season. 1-2 and 0-0 was it.