Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)

Lol you hit them where it hurts them the most. Never mention the past to them. Let's pretend the football started from 2010 when talking to any city fan.
Err. No.

Almost All City posters on here acknowledge the luck of us being takenover in 2008 prior to administration/oblivion. (why you say 2010?). It seems like that point never seems to stick in some minds.

Coming from a united fan, mentioning that city fans don’t know history... (or the inaccurate goto of ‘you have no history’/‘always’) now that’s a comedic comment.
 
I do not think you understood my post well here. I mean when a rival fans mention (as a dig) anything pre sheikh times they respond in a very irrational manner and of course most are the so called new football supporters.

And let us not even mention bluemoon, do you even think a rival fan has a chance to express his thought. I know there are some city fan posters here who are really good, and I mean real good. But unfortunately many elsewhere sound very bitter and hard to talk football with and bluemoon is one big reason for that.

Here's a thing. Many football fans don't even post on football forums. Don't take this the wrong way but you're making a big mistake if you judge a whole fanbase (any fanbase that is) by what some people might say on a football forum. If you want an equivalent forum to Bluemoon in terms of bitterness, you should try Red Issue or Republik of Mancunia. You'll find more than enough vitriol directed towards City and other clubs on those sites.

By the way, plenty of rival fans post on Bluemoon and have done for years.
 
Here's a thing. Many football fans don't even post on football forums. Don't take this the wrong way but you're making a big mistake if you judge a whole fanbase (any fanbase that is) by what some people might say on a football forum. If you want an equivalent forum to Bluemoon in terms of bitterness, you should try Red Issue or Republik of Mancunia. You'll find more than enough vitriol directed towards City and other clubs on those sites.

By the way, plenty of rival fans post on Bluemoon and have done for years.

Trust me I have been posting in RoM for numerous years and yes their city fans are not treated with this much respect like here but even then there were many united fans who loved to discuss football in a right way. Sorry but I just do not see that in bluemoon. Have you even visited the united page in bluemoon. Do you seriously think any united fan could have a proper football discussion without being bad mouthed and even thrown out.

I know judging on the basis of one forum is wrong but with city , I really believe bluemoon represents you lot as for now. Maybe in 4 or 5 years there could be some more city blogs and they could be more open to discuss football and not just write rags this rags that.
 
Err. No.

Almost All City posters on here acknowledge the luck of us being takenover in 2008 prior to administration/oblivion. (why you say 2010?). It seems like that point never seems to stick in some minds.

Coming from a united fan, mentioning that city fans don’t know history... (or the inaccurate goto of ‘you have no history’/‘always’) now that’s a comedic comment.

Good for you if you acknowledge your clubs history and not get irritated by that.
 
Here's a thing. Many football fans don't even post on football forums. Don't take this the wrong way but you're making a big mistake if you judge a whole fanbase (any fanbase that is) by what some people might say on a football forum. If you want an equivalent forum to Bluemoon in terms of bitterness, you should try Red Issue or Republik of Mancunia. You'll find more than enough vitriol directed towards City and other clubs on those sites.

By the way, plenty of rival fans post on Bluemoon and have done for years.

Come on mate theres not half a dozen opposition fans who do, And currently theres not one regular Utd poster either, which is a shame. You well know the abuse even City fans have if they post any sort of praise for a utd player, or if they win. I know its hard for you to criticise the forum as you've been posting for years, ive actually had many of good chat with you on there.

Ive no idea why the forum has gone so far downhill and full of egotistical morons. I'm honestly glad I'm out of there.
 
So after 20 games Ederson is better keeper than De Gea and who you wouldn't trade for anyone. The same De Gea who has the following awards:
I hope it never happens but if you guys win a treble or win the PL three years in a row; will Jesus be better than Maradona, De Bryune better than Zidane, Sane better than Ronaldo, Aguero better than Pele.

Edit: Sorry padr81, you quoted here just to provide context.

Please show me exactly where I mentioned about Ederson being better than De Gea.

My reasons are personal, a very good friend of mine who's also my roommate is a die hard Benfica fan, and he kept on raving about Ederson since his league debut in the Benfica-Sporting derby that Benfica won. And because of him, I have a certain soft spot for Benfica and Portuguese football in general.
 
Trust me I have been posting in RoM for numerous years and yes their city fans are not treated with this much respect like here but even then there were many united fans who loved to discuss football in a right way. Sorry but I just do not see that in bluemoon. Have you even visited the united page in bluemoon. Do you seriously think any united fan could have a proper football discussion without being bad mouthed and even thrown out.

I know judging on the basis of one forum is wrong but with city , I really believe bluemoon represents you lot as for now. Maybe in 4 or 5 years there could be some more city blogs and they could be more open to discuss football and not just write rags this rags that.

There's been decent United fans on Bluemoon in the past. JM Mcr was the best of the lot - very knowledgeable and wasn't afraid to defend his corner if need be or if someone posted something inaccurate about United that needed correcting. I don't know what happened to him but although he did get a bit of stick, many fans welcomed him. The trouble is, if there were a few more sensible United fans posting on there then the United thread would naturally be a more sensible thread. As it is, most of the comments on it are akin to a load of blokes talking down the pub and slagging their rivals off. Not great if you want a debate but hardly a big deal. It's football after all and rivalries in football exist all over the world. I wouldn't mind, but if you think that's bad then it's nothing compared to some other football rivalries over here. The City/United rivalry really is tame when you compare it to Burnley/Blackburn, Cardiff/Swansea, Newcastle/Sunderland, and even Norwich/Ipswich. I'll also add that I've had my own fair share of run-ins with City fans on Bluemoon down the years - far more than I've had on here.

Like i said, you're well out of the way over there so you don't get to experience the true reality of what it's like over here. That's not a dig by the way and I suppose you can only go off your own experiences.
 
I've noticed that City have struggled in every game in which Sane didn't start or was played out of position: Everton, Bournemouth, Wolves, Feyenoord. He looks inconsistent at times but gives their attack another dimension.
Honestly, for all the talk of how good De Bruyne has been (which he, of course, has been), it's Sané that allows us to stretch defences and pull teams apart. Full-backs we face have no choice but to sit deep and hope that he doesn't connect with a through ball from Silva on that inside left channel. It's a little signature move he's making for himself, weirdly, where he runs onto a through ball inside the full-back, latches onto it just inside the penalty area, and sweeps an out-swinging shot into the far corner. I think we'd do okay without Sané if we were to replace him with Sterling, put De Bruyne out wide on the right and replace De Bruyne's central role with either Bernardo or Gundogan, but it's Sané's role in this team that's perhaps the most underappreciated, so I'm glad you've pointed this out. For all the talk of us going after Sanchez in January, I think we'd be best getting someone like Sané: frighteningly fast, very direct, and utterly clinical. Sanchez is a fantastic player, and I wouldn't exactly turn my nose up at him, but an out-and-out left winger he is not.
 
Come on mate theres not half a dozen opposition fans who do, And currently theres not one regular Utd poster either, which is a shame. You well know the abuse even City fans have if they post any sort of praise for a utd player, or if they win. I know its hard for you to criticise the forum as you've been posting for years, ive actually had many of good chat with you on there.

Ive no idea why the forum has gone so far downhill and full of egotistical morons. I'm honestly glad I'm out of there.

There's more than half a dozen mate. Crikey, at one point we had more than that many Spurs fans posting on there for some strange reason.

It's not hard for me to criticise the forum at all - I've just stated in my previous post to AshRK that I've had more than enough arguments on there down the years. Believe me, there are some absolute whoppers on there who I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire - I won't name names but egotistical morons is quite an apt description for some of them - but at the same time there are a lot of decent posters who I've personally met and they never go anywhere near the United threads. And of the ones that do, there's a fair few articulate ones as well. Oh, and if you think that thread is a law unto itself try the Off Topic section - that can be a far darker place at times than some fans saying nasty things about United. Which brings me onto another point - there are United fans who won't go anywhere near this forum as they reckon it's way too welcoming towards opposition fans and as such it's nowhere near partisan enough for them.
 
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Please show me exactly where I mentioned about Ederson being better than De Gea.

My reasons are personal, a very good friend of mine who's also my roommate is a die hard Benfica fan, and he kept on raving about Ederson since his league debut in the Benfica-Sporting derby that Benfica won. And because of him, I have a certain soft spot for Benfica and Portuguese football in general.
If the reason for you wanting Ederson over anyone else is that you have a soft spot for him, I understand that. I wrongly assumed that you wanted him over De Gea because you thought he was better.
 
Please show me exactly where I mentioned about Ederson being better than De Gea.

My reasons are personal, a very good friend of mine who's also my roommate is a die hard Benfica fan, and he kept on raving about Ederson since his league debut in the Benfica-Sporting derby that Benfica won. And because of him, I have a certain soft spot for Benfica and Portuguese football in general.

Don't want to start shitfest, but it's funny how Chelsea and City fans always have friends, roommates, spouse, fiances, in laws who support the clubs they sign players from.
 
Don't want to start shitfest, but it's funny how Chelsea and City fans always have friends, roommates, spouse, fiances, in laws who support the clubs they sign players from.

It’s funny you should say that because my pet springer is a die hard Schalke fan and he gave me the lowdown on Sane when we were in negotiations to sign him.
 
Don't want to start shitfest, but it's funny how Chelsea and City fans always have friends, roommates, spouse, fiances, in laws who support the clubs they sign players from.

Wow, people have relatives, friends, roommates etc. who support different clubs (usually big traditional clubs like in this case).

Huge if true!
 
Honestly, for all the talk of how good De Bruyne has been (which he, of course, has been), it's Sané that allows us to stretch defences and pull teams apart. Full-backs we face have no choice but to sit deep and hope that he doesn't connect with a through ball from Silva on that inside left channel. It's a little signature move he's making for himself, weirdly, where he runs onto a through ball inside the full-back, latches onto it just inside the penalty area, and sweeps an out-swinging shot into the far corner. I think we'd do okay without Sané if we were to replace him with Sterling, put De Bruyne out wide on the right and replace De Bruyne's central role with either Bernardo or Gundogan, but it's Sané's role in this team that's perhaps the most underappreciated, so I'm glad you've pointed this out. For all the talk of us going after Sanchez in January, I think we'd be best getting someone like Sané: frighteningly fast, very direct, and utterly clinical. Sanchez is a fantastic player, and I wouldn't exactly turn my nose up at him, but an out-and-out left winger he is not.

Of course you'd get a lot of accurate balls whipped into the box, but it's not worth losing the dynamic factor De Bruyne adds to your side from his deeper position. I recall a lot of criticism when Pep moved De Bruyne deeper but it's paying dividends. Kind of similar to how Yaya in his heyday would decide to just carry the ball up the pitch because feck everybody.

Agree with your general point on Sane.
 
If you live in London you'll come across loads of people from different backgrounds who support an English club and a club from their motherland. My experience was certainly that when I went to University there with lots of Greeks/Cypriots/Turkish in the area. About six or seven years ago Arsenal played Fenerbache in a group game and a few Turkish lads I knew who supported the likes of Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool went in the away end with their Fenerbache shirts. It was the first and maybe only time they watched them live.
 
Well, ironicly they clearly has the right plan and do what they plan...

They have strengthen their defence this season while its clearly their weakness last season...and adding option on sane and b silva. They finished their transfer business quickly

While us ended buying overstock cb and failed to buy what we really needed (fullback, RW)..

Imnot saying that we completely failed last transfer windows but from last season, its clearly that we need fullback (right, left) and RW..

Seing emerging talents this season like richarlison and pascal grab..i wonder why our talentscouting network didnt see this unearthed gem... instead we seems spent the whole window catching 'shadow' at big names such as bale or griezman while there was cheaper option available.
 
Ah you mean how Burnley played against City.

2 banks of 4, very well disciplined and drilled, sitting back, supplanted by the other remaining outfielders, awaiting scraps/hoofballs.

alternatively known as ‘parking the bus’.

It did work (generally) but man it must be depressing playing that way week in week out.

Maybe if you are Burnley (and no disrespect intended) and you don't really have the players to hurt City it does end up being a game of attack vs defence

I'm not necessarily advocating that. I am saying don't fall into the trap of trying to press the CBs. I think that's a really bad idea in general because as I said, likelihood is City will always have the extra man in their own half and you won't get near the ball. Ball retention is one of the main reason Pep plays 3 CBs and wants a footballing GK.

Maybe what United could do is say right, let's ask Martial and Rashford to play very high and wide and not to go back with the wing backs. Also tell Lukaku to totally forget about closing down the 3 CBs but instead make sure that he is always in a position to receive the ball in space.

Then play a 4 man CM of Herrera, Pogba, Fellaini and Matic with Rojo, Bailly and Jones in behind to form a narrow 3-4-3 when defending whilst maintaining 3 outlet balls. Herrera picks up KdB, Fellaini picks up Silva, Matic and Pogba play like they would do in any other game of football

My thinking is that when we have played City in the past, we have asked our wide forwards to go back with the wing backs and this doesn't work - we just get pinned in. We also can't press with Lukaku/Zlatan/Mata/Mhiki etc...because they aren't built to do it and I think we would be asking for trouble

I think it would certainly make very interesting viewing and would be a good experiment
 
Maybe if you are Burnley (and no disrespect intended) and you don't really have the players to hurt City it does end up being a game of attack vs defence

I'm not necessarily advocating that. I am saying don't fall into the trap of trying to press the CBs. I think that's a really bad idea in general because as I said, likelihood is City will always have the extra man in their own half and you won't get near the ball. Ball retention is one of the main reason Pep plays 3 CBs and wants a footballing GK.

Maybe what United could do is say right, let's ask Martial and Rashford to play very high and wide and not to go back with the wing backs. Also tell Lukaku to totally forget about closing down the 3 CBs but instead make sure that he is always in a position to receive the ball in space.

Then play a 4 man CM of Herrera, Pogba, Fellaini and Matic with Rojo, Bailly and Jones in behind to form a narrow 3-4-3 when defending whilst maintaining 3 outlet balls. Herrera picks up KdB, Fellaini picks up Silva, Matic and Pogba play like they would do in any other game of football

My thinking is that when we have played City in the past, we have asked our wide forwards to go back with the wing backs and this doesn't work - we just get pinned in. We also can't press with Lukaku/Zlatan/Mata/Mhiki etc...because they aren't built to do it and I think we would be asking for trouble

I think it would certainly make very interesting viewing and would be a good experiment

It's a catch-22 for me (obviously not for a brilliant football mind like Mourinho).

Refusing to press City's backline further deprives you of opportunities to counter-attack, as you can't get the ball until they advance into your half of the pitch at least. Plus, when you get the ball, they hound you, so getting the ball out is critical.

I like the idea of playing Rashford and Martial high up the pitch, but they'll have to be really good at staying onside until Pogba pulls the trigger. Vardy got nullified against City because of that.
 
Skimmed through this last page and swear i seen a post about Ederson better than De Gea? Stop talking absolute nonsense. For christ sake, half the City lot had never heard of him end of last season.. settle down. Talk about over rating... jeepers

Its going to take a LOT more than 15 games? (roughly) in all comps so far to convince anyone he is near DDG level. DDG and Courtois are way ahead of the rest. Lloris decent too, Ederson is having a good spell at the moment but so is every player. Even John Stones and sterling (!!!) are looking good right now.
 
Skimmed through this last page and swear i seen a post about Ederson better than De Gea? Stop talking absolute nonsense. For christ sake, half the City lot had never heard of him end of last season.. settle down. Talk about over rating... jeepers

Its going to take a LOT more than 15 games? (roughly) in all comps so far to convince anyone he is near DDG level. DDG and Courtois are way ahead of the rest. Lloris decent too, Ederson is having a good spell at the moment but so is every player. Even John Stones and sterling (!!!) are looking good right now.

Its funny but I've read the entire thread and not read that so you're criticizing your imagination. I've read ederson is a better passer and I read one or two who said they wouldn't trade them (for various reasons) none of which saying ederson was a better keeper.
 
Skimmed through this last page and swear i seen a post about Ederson better than De Gea? Stop talking absolute nonsense. For christ sake, half the City lot had never heard of him end of last season.. settle down. Talk about over rating... jeepers

Its going to take a LOT more than 15 games? (roughly) in all comps so far to convince anyone he is near DDG level. DDG and Courtois are way ahead of the rest. Lloris decent too, Ederson is having a good spell at the moment but so is every player. Even John Stones and sterling (!!!) are looking good right now.

Give over. Not a single person has said Ederson is better than De Gea. You're as bad as namco for making stuff up at times.
 
Give over. Not a single person has said Ederson is better than De Gea. You're as bad as namco for making stuff up at times.

Can't help but think how much of wum namco would've been, everyone on here keeps on referring to him. Hopefully gone for good :D
 
Skimmed through this last page and swear i seen a post about Ederson better than De Gea? Stop talking absolute nonsense. For christ sake, half the City lot had never heard of him end of last season.. settle down. Talk about over rating... jeepers

Its going to take a LOT more than 15 games? (roughly) in all comps so far to convince anyone he is near DDG level. DDG and Courtois are way ahead of the rest. Lloris decent too, Ederson is having a good spell at the moment but so is every player. Even John Stones and sterling (!!!) are looking good right now.

Perhaps you could quote that post?
 
Can't help but think how much of wum namco would've been, everyone on here keeps on referring to him. Hopefully gone for good :D

namco's gone but he came back as deptxx and is now posting as Costco (or something similar).
 
Give over. Not a single person has said Ederson is better than De Gea. You're as bad as namco for making stuff up at times.
it was misunderstood by another poster, i caught a glimpse when 'skimming; through thread as posted.
 
Its funny but I've read the entire thread and not read that so you're criticizing your imagination. I've read ederson is a better passer and I read one or two who said they wouldn't trade them (for various reasons) none of which saying ederson was a better keeper.
Thats also nuts, depending what way you are trading
 
Thats also nuts, depending what way you are trading
If you watch City's games and their high line it's not that nuts though. Of course, we don't even know how good of a 'sweeper' De Gea is as it was never really requested from him; I'd even guess he would do well, but we sort of know for a fact that Ederson indeed does it well. Even though his actions yesterday were borderline red cards, he somehow managed to get done everything and those were no easy tasks.
 
If you watch City's games and their high line it's not that nuts though. Of course, we don't even know how good of a 'sweeper' De Gea is as it was never really requested from him; I'd even guess he would do well, but we sort of know for a fact that Ederson indeed does it well. Even though his actions yesterday were borderline red cards, he somehow managed to get done everything and those were no easy tasks.
didnt see yesterday, what did he do? For pure goalkeeping, which is what i personally would look for, id not swap at all. Im not a fan of keepers playing short passes & stuff though
 
didnt see yesterday, what did he do? For pure goalkeeping, which is what i personally would look for, id not swap at all. Im not a fan of keepers playing short passes & stuff though

Ok, but the point is that from City's point of view, 'for pure goalkeeping' isn't enough and then you can certainly make an argument of not winning anything from a swap deal (or at least having a shit trade-off).

He miscontrolled a long ball from the opponent right at the edge of the area, then managed to tackle the incoming attacker, and had another rushing challenge where he came out in a manner that if he didn't make a small connection with the ball, thus making a save, then I'm sure it would have been a penalty as he almost clattered the finisher in the process. Anyway, he's such a mad arse that I consider him fun in the same way I feel about Neuer, who initially I disliked.
 
Can't wait for the Derby, it will be fascinating from a tactical stand point alone. I hope both teams have full squads available, could shape up to be one of the best games in PL history.
 
Can't wait for the Derby, it will be fascinating from a tactical stand point alone. I hope both teams have full squads available, could shape up to be one of the best games in PL history.

If there are no injuries or early red cards, it will be a good tactical exposition between the two managers.
 
Good for you if you acknowledge your clubs history and not get irritated by that.
... depends if you’re Taking the piss or not. It’s hard to tell with 2D text.

I acknowledge City’s long up and down, backwards and forwards, very unboring and ‘typical City’ history.

I also get riled by inaccurate ‘always’ comments from United Johnny come lately, no history fans. But that’s perhaps just me.
 
Trust me I have been posting in RoM for numerous years and yes their city fans are not treated with this much respect like here but even then there were many united fans who loved to discuss football in a right way. Sorry but I just do not see that in bluemoon. Have you even visited the united page in bluemoon. Do you seriously think any united fan could have a proper football discussion without being bad mouthed and even thrown out.

I know judging on the basis of one forum is wrong but with city , I really believe bluemoon represents you lot as for now. Maybe in 4 or 5 years there could be some more city blogs and they could be more open to discuss football and not just write rags this rags that.
There couldn't be any truer words
 
Will this effect KDB and his yellow card from last night?



No, KDB was just a bad mistimed tackle and worthy of a booking, didn't look like he was obviously going for it. I honestly thought that yellows reverted to 0 after the group stage, that would make sense to me
 
He's 3 years younger than De Gea. 3 years ago, De Gea was a better keeper than Ederson is now.

Now, obviously everything can happen and Ederson is a very good keeper on his own, but De Gea is just a much better keeper. The only thing Ederson has over De Gea is his distribution of the ball, but De Gea himself is no slouch in that aspect of the game.
But how can we possibly know that De Gea was better than Ederson is now? With respect, De Gea was your player of the season three years in a row. A Pep goalkeeper will probably never win that accolade because they're rarely in a position to earn their team points on their own. City have faced so few shots on target this year, it's too early to just assume that Ederson isn't that good just because we're not hearing much about him.