Just like people aren't saying Ederson is better than DDG no-one is saying Ederson isn't a decent keeper, players develop at different rates, I'm not sure Ederson will ever be a better shot stopper than DDG but I think he'll become the best sweeper keeper in the world but he'll also have plenty of cock ups and a few reds but he'll save tons of points with a good few assists and if nothing else it'll be fun watching him develop
Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)
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Just like people aren't saying Ederson is better than DDG no-one is saying Ederson isn't a decent keeper, players develop at different rates, I'm not sure Ederson will ever be a better shot stopper than DDG but I think he'll become the best sweeper keeper in the world but he'll also have plenty of cock ups and a few reds but he'll save tons of points with a good few assists and if nothing else it'll be fun watching him develop
Why? Josè is gonna park the bus. Nothing new in his tactic.
When does Jose park the bus at home?
Lazy comment to make.
Lazy comment to make.
All the pressure will be on United for the derby if City do their job in the 3 games beforehand. Will be interested to see what Jose does to be fair. Really goes for it and opens his side up a bit more or pretty reserved and keeping it tight.
It’s a bit hard to work out what he’ll actually do against a decent team.
The only top 10 team played at home so far was ‘the harry kane’ team, ironically without their namesake and talisman.
Even then Spurs had more shots and possession.
So, yes, he doesn’t park the bus at home against the bottom half teams.
I’d say the jury hasn’t heard enough evidence to give a verdict when playing decent teams though.
Don't forget that we will be your first test of the season too. All your games against the other top 6 have seen you come out on the right end of dodgy decisions or these teams were missing there best players. We should have a fully fit squad & there's no Clattenberg to save you now.
We've already beaten a better side than you twice this season.
Not sure how being 1-0 down in fecking Naples and coming back to win 4-2 isn't overcoming a real test.
lol, while United have a good chance against anyone including City you're spouting shite as usual. We've beaten Liverpool, Chelsea, Napoli twice and Arsenal and according to you all down to pure luck 5 times. In reality we've played 4 top teams over 5 matches and won them all. Your such a wum lol. As good an advert as could possibly be for why the newbies was a great idea, I see all 21 of your posts since you re-registered are about City again. 3rd ban coming soon for you my friend. or maybe 3rd time lucky. Not bad though, I'd say that's 1000 post across your 3 accounts and 999 about City. Honestly it's a pity you're not a blue, you know so much about us and you belong on Blue Moon.
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Namco, you really are something special.
It’s as though tonight didn’t just happen for you.
... or that Harry Kane wasn’t missing from the Harry Kane team you only just beat.
Still, we shall see what occurs.
Man City's transformation this season as a dominant side from last, where they were a good to watch albeit fragile side, has highlighted the importance of the modern fullback. The job of a fullback in a Guardiola side is one of the most important in the team as he uses them for a variety of jobs. He has them tuck in to offer numerical advantage in midfield, he has them occupy the half spaces to create combinations within those areas (Anybody who has read up on Guardiola knows he loves to utilise the half spaces between the fullback and the centre back) and he also has them provide width in attack to allow his wide forwards to make penetrating runs into the box. He really has utilised the position to its maximum capacity and its impressive to watch his teams play the way they do. The new fullbacks have transformed his team and, along with a better understanding of his positional play, has really contributed to their success.
On the Ederson debate. I don't think Guardiola would swap with De Gea under any circumstances. As great a keeper as De Gea is, the fact of the matter is that he would be completely lost playing the short passing game Guardiola uses and would suffer a lot of mistakes through his lack of calmness on the ball which in turn would lead to his confidence dropping. Ederson is pretty much the perfect keeper for Guardiola as he is completely confident bringing the ball out from the back. It is imperative that a keeper under Guardiola can play the positional game and build game that he demands whilst dealing with all manner of pressing and Ederson looks like he can do that perfectly.
What are the City residents thoughts on why their form has improved from last season?
On the Ederson debate. I don't think Guardiola would swap with De Gea under any circumstances. As great a keeper as De Gea is, the fact of the matter is that he would be completely lost playing the short passing game Guardiola uses and would suffer a lot of mistakes through his lack of calmness on the ball which in turn would lead to his confidence dropping. Ederson is pretty much the perfect keeper for Guardiola as he is completely confident bringing the ball out from the back. It is imperative that a keeper under Guardiola can play the positional game and build game that he demands whilst dealing with all manner of pressing and Ederson looks like he can do that perfectly.
What are the City residents thoughts on why their form has improved from last season?
Is hard to figure out the level of Ederson since his team is just slaughtering adversaries 99% of the time.
I'll be absolutely shocked if Jose doesn't park the bus against City. The right thing to do as well imo.
Depends on how you look at it. He's been a vital part of that dominance himself, and that is playing on a high level too.
It's weird isn't it. It's like when the likes of Piqué and Ramos get criticized that they can't be judged properly since their teams dominate too much neatly forgetting that they are essential in said dominance.
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Yeah, the level of skill, intelligence and focus required to make a high line work still gets underestimated quite a bit. Both in possession and against the ball. I guess it will take more time until those abilities are fully appreciated in GKs and defenders.
So, City hasn't lost in PL since April. 11-1-0 in PL, 5-0-0 in CL, 17-2-0 overall this season without a single loss. Incredible record. Their team looks unstoppable right now although their real test will be against RM/Barca/Bayern/PSG. Now they're playing entertaining football while utterly dominating the vast majority of their games. Hard not to envy that.
Is that still namco making all these posts, quite some perseverance.
Fullbacks and a goalkeeper who can play football also it isn't just this season, this calendar year we've only lost to Everton, Chelsea and Monaco in 90 mins, and Arsenal in e/t in the Semi of the Cup, it probably took the players a few months to get to grips with how Guardiola wants to play, I think our last 20 league games we've won 17 and drawn 3, the improvement was there at the end of last season but getting rid of old slow full backs has made a huge difference as well as Sane, Sterling and Stones all stepping up another level.
Guys determined I'll give him that.
Can’t he just be IP banned.
Plenty of ways around having a fixed IP.
Or caf cookies.
Even creating and tracking a hash of the http header can easily be overcome.
If you’re determined you can keep coming back. As to why, I have no idea.
Can't understand why someone would go through the hassle of it all.
That maybe a 1st, VangaalEra agreeing with City fans!
Unfortunately there very often seems to be one or more side not at full strength when we play each other. I am fully expecting us to be without Kompany and someone else critical, like KDB. You'll probably be missing Lukaku or Ibra or both.
That maybe a 1st, VangaalEra agreeing with City fans!
Haha contrary to opinion on Bluemoon, I don't say much on City threads here which City fans disagree with.
This is spot on isn't it. Isn't like we went to Chelsea and won, very comfortably and convincingly. Or beat the best team in Italy, twice whilst having 3 penalties given against us. The Mane red was the least dodgy decision I have seen in my life, if kicking someone stoods up in the face isn't dangerous or reckless then I don't know what is. We got away with one with the offside goal against Arsenal (worth noting we was winning that game still) Don't let the truth get in the way of a good rant though. The derby will be a test for us though, as someone said it will be interesting on paper we have a good run of games up to the derby whilst United have Arsenal away and a good Watford team to play. If United are even further behind Jose's hands may be tied to attack and go for the win. I hope that is the case as I think City would pick Utd off if they attacked.
I also don't know when Clattenburg ever saved us? I know he reffed the 6-1 and rightly sent Evans off for bringing down a man clean through on goal, was there something else I missed?
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They remind me of Real Madrid last season in the sense that there's enough variety in their goals. Their counters are good, they're managing to break down deep defences too and De Bruyne's setpiece deliveries are an extra weapon.
Second year under Guardiola. Having a good goalkeeper in Ederson. Having good full-backs for the first time since 2014. Stones coming into his own. Fernandinho suddenly returning to his 2013 form out of nowhere at the age of 32. Sane and Sterling going up another level. De Bruyne being at his peak. Silva and Aguero getting on with their business like always. It'll be interesting to see how we keep this up now Stones is out until Christmas.
The players have had another year with him and have a much better understanding of what Pep Guardiola wants them to achieve.
The occupation of columns is much better than last year and the team is a lot harder to counter attack hence why they have conceded the fewest shots on goal this season.
They are scoring chances they are creating which was their main issue last year. They created the best quality chances last year but their profligacy meant that they conceded a goal and had to push for a goal and left themselves vulnerable to being counter attacked.
Walker allows the wide players on the right to come inside because he has the speed to cover a lot of ground in a short amount of time.
Ederson is perhaps closer to the ideal of a sweeper keeper than even Manuel Neuer. The few chances that Manchester City do concede they can be confident that Ederson will stop the shot most of the time unlike last season, where despite conceding fewer shots than almost every team, the shots that were on target went in because for whatever reason, Claudio Bravo's shot stopping ability abandoned him.
Ederson's ability to break the first line has improved City's build up which let's the team organise itself as they move the ball vertically.
It looks like he'll have to go through it all again as I see he's fallen victim to the ban hammer again! Perhaps the best thing he could do if he wants to carry on posting on here is to stop wumming and debate in a constructive manner. That way, he could still get to take the piss out of us a bit and not get banned. His perseverance reminds me a bit of a poster some years back called Gold Trafford. His MO was different to namco's in that he didn't just come on to wind City fans up - he wound pretty much everyone up and eventually got banned. He came back as Lord Alex but didn't cover his tracks very well - not only was his posting style exactly the same but when he was Gold Trafford his profile page stated he was a journalist from Ireland. Lord Alex's profile page also stated he was a journalist from Ireland
Not really its bang on we dont play teams as quick on the counter every week like city so its a faur point.
It looks like he'll have to go through it all again as I see he's fallen victim to the ban hammer again! Perhaps the best thing he could do if he wants to carry on posting on here is to stop wumming and debate in a constructive manner. That way, he could still get to take the piss out of us a bit and not get banned. His perseverance reminds me a bit of a poster some years back called Gold Trafford. His MO was different to namco's in that he didn't just come on to wind City fans up - he wound pretty much everyone up and eventually got banned. He came back as Lord Alex but didn't cover his tracks very well - not only was his posting style exactly the same but when he was Gold Trafford his profile page stated he was a journalist from Ireland. Lord Alex's profile page also stated he was a journalist from Ireland
He’ll go through it again, mate, the sad fecker. Guarantee he’s between the ages of 13-15 and extremely immature.
That's their year. Just hope before the derby we don't drop points to Watford or Arsenal. And be fresh and injury free, that will give us a huge boost and lots of options to Jose.
I didn't read all that waffle but what stood out was De Gea apparently lacking composure on the ball. Examples? I don't think you've seen much of him to be honest.
Agree completely. DeGea is such a natural footballer. Not only amazing instant reflex reaction but also superb balance and poise and great control with the ball at his feet. Some of these City posters are either too giddy with petrodollar signs flashing in their eyes to see reality, or else are basically just on the wum.
He's going to park the bus, I'd be shocked if he tries to take City on fire-with-fire. If we get a spanking by City (say 4 or 5 goals) people will be moaning too, he can't win.
Classic Mourinho would be parking the bus and getting an unlikely point against all the odds.
Have to admit, it is worrying as City in this form could take us apart if Mourinho parks the bus or not..
La Manita taught Mou a valuable lesson
You just don’t get it. Everyone knows what De Gea can do, he’s no mug at anything, and is the best at shot stopping. Until we mentioned this other aspect of keeping, none of you gave De Gea’s passing a mention. As soon as the issue was raised, up came the hackles, and you instantly claimed that your guy was better. You’ll be telling us next that De Gea has more tattooes than Ederson, it’s just that we haven’t seen them, or that the sheikh paid for them, so they don't count. When it comes to the goalkeeper passing the ball, we're not winding you up, we're waking you up.