To be fair, if the only teams left who could give us a battering are the two best teams in Europe then I'd say we've spent that £200m fairly well.
Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)
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Loool. Not like you earned those 200 millions,
Still your club is in the fist of a prince from arabia lets be clear about that .
Bayern and Barcelona are in the top 5 , yet they exactly know peps philosophy and they could turn city around. It would be funny as hell
They're adorable aren't they. I think with many of them it's some kind of complex brought over from BM. Any negative posts on there about City & the user is labelled a scummy Rag. This can even be when the user has been a member for years. I don't know who this Namco is/was but he obviously must have got to a few of the Blues on here. It seems any new poster who disparages City is labelled as Namco.
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This is the kind of media myth I am here to educate you on. Hopefully when I'm not limited to 3 posts per day it may help.
I love the shaky at the back comments, they're fantastic. We have conceded one less league goal than yourselves, the difference also being on at least three different occasions you set up very defensively with plan A not being not to concede a goal. That is never our intensions and we attack every game so surely if we are shaky at the back it is highly impressive we have only conceded one more wouldn't you say?
Now it's the money shot, pluck 200M from nowhere and hope no one pulls you up on it.
We hadn't bought a full back for years, our main centre half and captain is mostly injured. Defence was key, especially at full back considering the role it plays in Peps style.
United's defence just so you are aware ( i have taken these from a website called transfer fees) Lindelof 31 Mil, Baily 30 Mil, Shaw 27 Mil, Rojo 16 Mil, Jones 17 Mil, Darmian 12.7 Mil, Smalling 10 Mil. You could even add Valencia at £11 mil, Blind at 13.8 and Young at 17Mil if you'd like but I appreciate they was bought as midfielders. As part of a defence is the goalkeeper and you bought one of the best out there at £18.9Mil.
Even if you ignore the ones bought as midfielders that's still a near £150 mil pound defence. There is another 61 Mil in the midfielders turned defenders and keeper (key part of any defence) Majority of them players all bought before the market went mental too so at big prices even for then, you are close to doubling them now in the current market.
I am sure I will now be labelled a bertie and nothing constructive would be said in reply but I hope at least someone reads it and thinks shit I will stop spewing daft social media myths. I doubt it though.
Ninety five percent actually
We don't need you to educate us thank's. It's not the wisest move to come onto on opposition fans forum with such a smug & condescending attitude. And yes, you are a Bertie.
If they put as much effort into going to games as they do Wuming on here they might fill the stadium occasionally. What's the excuse for the low attendance going to be tonight.
I appreciate you might be new to posting on football forums but these arguments have gone round and round in circles since the day we were taken over.
And what's your excuse for not attending games namco? You're the biggest WUM in the history of this forum which is some going considering there's been a fair few whoppers on here down the years.
Remember you're only allowed 3 posts a day (until you inevitably get banned again, at which point you'll be back down to zero) and you've used 2 of those up already before midday so make sure you use your last remaining post of the day wisely
That's true. Napoli shouldn't have lost the first game against Shakhtar to be in this situation.
Big cheers to all my fellow reds, and to our rival club fans too.
I've got to say our Redcafe, Manchester United supporter website is unbelieveably democratic, open and tolerant. Would any other football club website allow new City accounts introduce themselves by announcing they're here to educate United supporters on social media manipulation?
Just like our great club we have an openminded, progressive and inclusive ethos which is to be celebrated. The one slight problem with such commendable democratic tolerance is that unfortunately it can be vulnerable to interference by organised hits from unethical and less enlightened ideologies. We've seen this with the orchestrated campaign of the Russian troll army in their unfortunately successful, manipulation of western democratic procedures in the US elections and here in the UK with Brexit. These days oppressive oligarchs and dictatorships know full well the potential influence that their aggressive social media trained troll, campaigns can have on winning hearts and souls to their own ideological goals.
I have read on a certain national newspaper site that certain City 'supporters' are employed to operate in an orchestrated manner to cyberbully posters and shut down any critique of the UAE project. I've definitely noticed this worrying trend which uses a very planned rhetoric to close down dialogue, far from what we once considered inter club rival 'banter'.
Let's remain open and tolerant and democratic but also be vigilant and wary of any unseemly and orchestrated campaigns to shut down critique, which afterall, has always been a crucial and defining aspect of the freedom of our democracies.
I've got to say our Redcafe, Manchester United supporter website is unbelieveably democratic, open and tolerant. Would any other football club website allow new City accounts introduce themselves by announcing they're here to educate United supporters on social media manipulation?
Just like our great club we have an openminded, progressive and inclusive ethos which is to be celebrated. The one slight problem with such commendable democratic tolerance is that unfortunately it can be vulnerable to interference by organised hits from unethical and less enlightened ideologies. We've seen this with the orchestrated campaign of the Russian troll army in their unfortunately successful, manipulation of western democratic procedures in the US elections and here in the UK with Brexit. These days oppressive oligarchs and dictatorships know full well the potential influence that their aggressive social media trained troll, campaigns can have on winning hearts and souls to their own ideological goals.
I have read on a certain national newspaper site that certain City 'supporters' are employed to operate in an orchestrated manner to cyberbully posters and shut down any critique of the UAE project. I've definitely noticed this worrying trend which uses a very planned rhetoric to close down dialogue, far from what we once considered inter club rival 'banter'.
Let's remain open and tolerant and democratic but also be vigilant and wary of any unseemly and orchestrated campaigns to shut down critique, which afterall, has always been a crucial and defining aspect of the freedom of our democracies.
Constructive criticism is always welcomed, especially the one backed with facts and logic. If anyone's going to go down the "oil money ahaha plasteek" route of criticism then expect a bit of a backclash init.
I really appreciate this forum being open for everyone, I don't think any other major fan forum is this welcoming, so well done to the ones running this thing.
The whole point of my original comment about Ederson’s short passing went unnoticed in the unnecessarily partisan argument that followed. I used to watch Joe Hart booting it up to four midgets, and I thought it was crazy. Guardiola tumbled it immediately.
United have more success going long because their forwards are more likely to win the ball.
Nevertheless, what I am asking is this: if De Gea’s pass completion rate is 57%, it means that United lose the ball about 43% of the time, when, from the same position, City only lose it about 16% of the time. However much you hate the stat, it contributes to City having the best PL possession figures ever.
It’s not as though I ever see United struggling to play it out of defence, so why doesn’t De Gea pass it out almost every time, as Ederson does? (And how many times do we have to agree that De Gea is the best keeper for that to stop being an issue?)
Yeah he's quite pacy too, the one keeper I'd trade ederson for.
As much as this post had me a bit
, I do actually know that comments on articles such as the daily mail are heavily manipulated. I doubt it's limited to just City, but it's a bit of a sad world we live in. Seriously, next article on City, watch how quickly those comments gain upvotes...I wouldn't
I think presuming possession football is the best kind of football is your mistake. Some teams don't really care about that stat. United are a powerful side with pace out wide. The set up is primarily to counter opponents when the opportunity arises. That might mean going long and taking a risk in losing possession or playing short. It's about quickly getting the ball forward rather than patient build up.
To City fans: i am not getting Bernardo Silva. What's the point of buying him for 80 mil and then keeping him on the bench? Is it just to give him time to adapt?
Heard the Berties on radio Manc this evening. They are completely convinced that there is no side in the PL that is capable of beating them this season.
Holy shit, this thread has gone rapidly downhill since the newbies rule got changed. Please bring it back.
Like sane last season his time will come. I think raheems form is why he's sitting for now. Also he cost only £43m I think.
Like sane last season his time will come. I think raheems form is why he's sitting for now. Also he cost only £43m I think.
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You're comparing United's transfers over the last say 6-7 years to one summer for City? City brought in Ederson, Danilo, Walker and Mendy this summer and they cost more than the defenders you've just mention for United. So I don't understand your argument, yes saying City have spent 200M on defense alone is inflated but comparing it to United's defense make no sense.
They outplayed Barca at the Etihad last year.
For real madrid? Pogba. In general? Probably De Bruyne
A game that didn't matter for barcelona -and they dominated the first 40 minutes
Yeah, think so. That's the reason why i was asking. Think he is gonna replace David Silva in the middle next season.
Still think they have been extremely lucky with the injuries. Yes they have lost Mendy but their most important position is midfield. They look toothless with yaya toure and gundogan still look rusty. Any Injury to either kDB or fernandinho will feck them big time.
Lots of empty seats again tonight.
Literally not one block full by the looks of it. Disappointing.
Literally not one block full by the looks of it. Disappointing.
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Surely the way to beat City is to stand still? The whole “playing the ball out from the back” is obviously just a massive cock tease, to dangle the ball in front of the opposition and ask them to chase it like rabid dogs.
It comes from the English mentality. 15yrs of growing up playing football with your Dad and Coach shouting “don’t mess around with it their son” as you play a sideways pass on the halfway line means we are all conditioned to go berserk when we see a defender or goalkeeper attempt a pass. The natural reaction is to charge toward them in an attempt to nick the ball but it’s actually a terrible strategy as they will have 5 defenders plus a keeper and therefore are always likely to have one or two spare.
Jose got it badly wrong at OT last season when he tried to take it to them with a pressing game. Let’s just sit on the halfway line and let their back 6 knock the ball around between them. The players that will hurt us are KdB, Silva, Aguero and Jesus so rather than chasing Otamendi and Eduardo around let’s sit in and look to spring on them when we win it back in our half
It comes from the English mentality. 15yrs of growing up playing football with your Dad and Coach shouting “don’t mess around with it their son” as you play a sideways pass on the halfway line means we are all conditioned to go berserk when we see a defender or goalkeeper attempt a pass. The natural reaction is to charge toward them in an attempt to nick the ball but it’s actually a terrible strategy as they will have 5 defenders plus a keeper and therefore are always likely to have one or two spare.
Jose got it badly wrong at OT last season when he tried to take it to them with a pressing game. Let’s just sit on the halfway line and let their back 6 knock the ball around between them. The players that will hurt us are KdB, Silva, Aguero and Jesus so rather than chasing Otamendi and Eduardo around let’s sit in and look to spring on them when we win it back in our half
Hands off padr!
It's very easy to get tickets to any game, too. Since my brothers been back from Korea he's been to every home game and bought the tickets at a snap of the finger.
Ah you mean how Burnley played against City.
2 banks of 4, very well disciplined and drilled, sitting back, supplanted by the other remaining outfielders, awaiting scraps/hoofballs.
alternatively known as ‘parking the bus’.
It did work (generally) but man it must be depressing playing that way week in week out.
If not for lottery, City would be playing the same game mostly in Championship or lower. Yeah I'm out now.
[QUOTE="Lentwood, post: 21746448, member: 93878"]Surely the way to beat City is to stand still? The whole “playing the ball out from the back” is obviously just a massive cock tease, to dangle the ball in front of the opposition and ask them to chase it like rabid dogs.
It comes from the English mentality. 15yrs of growing up playing football with your Dad and Coach shouting “don’t mess around with it their son” as you play a sideways pass on the halfway line means we are all conditioned to go berserk when we see a defender or goalkeeper attempt a pass. The natural reaction is to charge toward them in an attempt to nick the ball but it’s actually a terrible strategy as they will have 5 defenders plus a keeper and therefore are always likely to have one or two spare.
Jose got it badly wrong at OT last season when he tried to take it to them with a pressing game. Let’s just sit on the halfway line and let their back 6 knock the ball around between them. The players that will hurt us are KdB, Silva, Aguero and Jesus so rather than chasing Otamendi and Eduardo around let’s sit in and look to spring on them when we win it back in our half[/QUOTE]
Didn't Chelsea try this? And chased the ball for 90 min without creating a clear chance.
United have to be aggressive. Otherwise, it would be a depressing performance. The way to beat them is to play better than them. If we can't outplay them at home, why hope for the title?
It comes from the English mentality. 15yrs of growing up playing football with your Dad and Coach shouting “don’t mess around with it their son” as you play a sideways pass on the halfway line means we are all conditioned to go berserk when we see a defender or goalkeeper attempt a pass. The natural reaction is to charge toward them in an attempt to nick the ball but it’s actually a terrible strategy as they will have 5 defenders plus a keeper and therefore are always likely to have one or two spare.
Jose got it badly wrong at OT last season when he tried to take it to them with a pressing game. Let’s just sit on the halfway line and let their back 6 knock the ball around between them. The players that will hurt us are KdB, Silva, Aguero and Jesus so rather than chasing Otamendi and Eduardo around let’s sit in and look to spring on them when we win it back in our half[/QUOTE]
Didn't Chelsea try this? And chased the ball for 90 min without creating a clear chance.
United have to be aggressive. Otherwise, it would be a depressing performance. The way to beat them is to play better than them. If we can't outplay them at home, why hope for the title?
Bizarre.
Yeah I'm out now.
You just literally insulted every player, manager and their supporters in every level of football from the championship down to the 3rd 11 Sunday pub team, with that entitled righteousness.
City got lucky and got invested in by an owner (and associated business management), to pull a club up from facing near certain administration and potential oblivion. <shrugs> Lucky us.
History repeating itself in Manchester. /waves at the 1930’s
FFS, it was just a joke. You are very sensitive soul.
So after 20 games Ederson is better keeper than De Gea and who you wouldn't trade for anyone. The same De Gea who has the following awards:
- UEFA European Under-21 Championship Team of the Tournament: 2011, 2013
- Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17
- PFA Fans' Premier League Player of the Month: November 2014
- Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year: 2013–14, 2014–15, 2015–16
- Manchester United Players' Player of the Year: 2013–14, 2014–15
- UEFA Europa League Squad of the Season: 2015–16
- Match of the Day Save of the Season: 2012–13, 2013–14, 2014–15, 2015–16
- FIFPro World XI 2nd team: 2015
- FIFPro World XI 3rd team: 2016, 2017
Edit: Sorry padr81, you quoted here just to provide context.
Do you honestly think a random city fan on the radio speaks for the majority of City fans. Nothing is won yet and a long long way to go. I'm fairly certain we won't be unbeaten come next May.
You would have to put this as Barca having a bad day rather than City being a European force. You have to beat the top teams on a regular basis to become part of the elite. They have beaten Bayern a few times but all these games were dead rubbers. They knocked out PSG but they were having an injury crisis at the time. They were knocked out last season by a team with little CL experience. They've played well against Napoli this season but they are proritising the league.
We were not pressing enough in the first 30 mins. You could hear the crowd getting on the players backs. There first goal came from a long Hail Mary out of defence due to them not being pressed. There was a mistake by Blind, but the ball should have been stopped at source.
Chelsea's lack of chances was due to Hazard being well off match fit & the Morata injury. We saw the havoc these 2 fully fit can cause, against us. City got off lightly not having to face these 2.
I think all the City fans on here have praised de Gea and are aware that he has been one of the world's best goalkeepers for a good few seasons. However, from our point of view, Ederson has been exemplary this season, he's young and his style of play suits Guardiola's system perfectly. You could put an argument forward that Ederson has been one of City's most pivotal players this season in terms of the season on season improvement. Like Blue Singh I would be reluctant to swop Ederson for de Gea, but that in no way disrespects de Gea.
As for your final paragraph. Aguero will never be regarded higher than Pele. As for the others, who knows, lets wait and see?
I was joking about this:
"Jesus be better than Maradona, De Bryune better than Zidane, Sane better than Ronaldo, Aguero better than Pele."
I am speechless.