When one person is saying one thing and another 100 are saying the other I think you can side with the 100 my friend. But I also agree that there are no quotes from anyone on the deal anywhere.
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When one person is saying one thing and another 100 are saying the other I think you can side with the 100 my friend. But I also agree that there are no quotes from anyone on the deal anywhere.
What a ridiculous post. It’s funny seeing the mental gymnastics being employed to try to rationalise a player going to United over City.
City tried lowballing Arsenal in Jan (offering £20m instead of £35m). Likelihood is they also tried lowballing Sanchez’s contract, IF they even got that far in negotiations.
Also when a player goes to a much bigger club with a much bigger Worldwide fan base, guess what, they earn more money through image rights.
We’ve also won 3 trophies in the last 2 seasons and have a world class manager with a proven track record of success.
If that’s the most blatant case you’ve seen of a mercenary then you’ve not been following your own clubs post 2008 history.
Ah right mate. Harsh.
Not substantially different. Dimarzio tends to be more reliable than our UK press and “City Watch” latched on to this until they deleted the tweet after City got snubbed.
https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/950491823377657857
Its weird that you have the highest wage bill of the two clubs yet think that the package we’ve offered would far outstrip yours (you’ve also then later said we’ve tried to low ball him - which one is it?). Clearly that isn’t always the case. The rest is just pure speculation.
For somebody being so condescending you might want to at the very least get your own message consistent, never mind avoiding making half of it up.
I think you will find you have the higher wage bill. Your last accounts didn't include your summer signings. You have also completely written off the wages for some of the players moved on. This has clearly not happened. As an example, you will be either subsidising Bony's current wage or you will have given him a payoff to leave. You are also paying Hart £55K a week at WHU. I know you are also paying some off your staff wages via CFG thus taking them off the City books. This is not conjecture, it has all been in the public domain.
As for Sanchez. You thought you were in a 1 horse race. You have gone to Arsenal & Alexis with a lower than agreed offer (low ball) We will never know all the in's & out's. It's widely reported that you upped your return offer. There would be no point coming in with a low offer as we had entered the race. It's highly likely you put in an offer commensurate with ours, with bonuses it would have likely bettered ours. As said the player has been insulted by your actions & chose us.
When the hundred are shite journalists from the Sun, the Mirror, the Mail and an assorted shower of sycophants who have been tonguing Peps innards all season and the one is Gianluca Di Marzio I reckon I know who I'll side with.
Exactly. Well, nobody except Sanchez, his agent and Shy_Coconut on Redcafe.
Last accounts were for 13 months and Hart was paid part of the loan fee, of course we'd write the wages off for the players who we moved on, they were out of contract or sold
The 2 football clubs I worked for (NUFC and Sunderland) do the same it's quite common, with most football clubs they have numerous different companies under the main holding company, as back office I wasnt paid by the same company as the players
I'll raise you that Sanchez's agent thought that the money City were going to save from paying less in a transfer fee to Arsenal should be split between player, agent and City whereas we wanted the Chileans to just get the terms that they had accepted in the summer window.
Substantially more? We aren't paying a transfer fee and are effectively swapping a player.
How honourable. Hypothetically of course.
Pep has now said he was worried about Sanchez upsetting the balance of his team. He must have had an epiphany in January, sometime between bidding £20m and getting snubbed.
Bit of a random and pointless question, but what do you think Pep would have done tactically if Messi hadn't renewed his contract and had signed for City?
I was bored in class earlier and spent quite a bit of time going through the various permutations; in the end, I thought Messi at false 9 in a 433 with Jesus playing as an inside winger would be his preferred choice.
I was bored in class earlier and spent quite a bit of time going through the various permutations; in the end, I thought Messi at false 9 in a 433 with Jesus playing as an inside winger would be his preferred choice.
How people believe this nonsense is beyond me. That's just basic salary without any bonuses, Telegraph reported it few days back, offered deal is 16 Million which is around 300K per week.
Also it's worth to remember different deals are leaked differently. Some are leaked including all the bonuses, some are leaked with only basic pay.
Spot on. Sad part is people lap it up, so press and doing great job.
Also if you didn't know football, you would have thought City players played for 3 meals a day, not for big wages they pay.
Calling footballers mercenaries is stupid. Who doesn't want to be paid more? Would you turn down a pay rise at work? No.
Money is obviously a big factor in this transfer, but it's also the most powerful tool of persuasion in football. Man Utd have just leveraged it accordingly.
Money is obviously a big factor in this transfer, but it's also the most powerful tool of persuasion in football. Man Utd have just leveraged it accordingly.
How honourable. Hypothetically of course.
Pep has now said he was worried about Sanchez upsetting the balance of his team. He must have had an epiphany in January, sometime between bidding £20m and getting snubbed.
Probably on the 6th.
City made an illegal approach for the player in the summer. By all accounts, United hadn’t contacted him at this point and weren’t in the frame, I guess because we didn’t want to get our fingers burnt with an illegal approach. Quite how City were able to so brazenly get away with it who knows. Essentially in the summer, Sanchez’s offers on the table were seemingly City’s illegal approach and nothing else.
United waited and made a legal approach at the correct time. This was the very first reported interest from United. We’ve put a very good deal on the table for him, but I imagine all things equal he’d still have his head turned. Who knows, maybe he wants to play for a real football club, and not an Abu Dhabi PR project. The excitement of the press back home in Chile seems to suggest he is making a much more prestigious move.
You’re having a mare in this thread. And it’s cringeworthy to see City fans preach financial prudence and pointing the finger at clubs who are spending their own legitimate money to succeed. Like taking financial management lessons from Michael Carroll Lotto Lout.
Player gets called a mercenary for choosing United over City. Oh my
Given Arsenal never even accepted city's offer, one would need to be Ballague's level of dumb to say it was simply Sanchez choosing more money. For him to even have a choice, Arsenal would need to accept what City were offering. Funny thing is, if all Sanchez was interested in was money, he'd simply wait 6 months and pocket another feck tonne signing on fees and higher wages to move for free.
But of course, it's Pep and City, so we can throw all of that out of the window and call someone a mercenary for choosing United over City
Man City are the most overrated team in the history of modern football. They will get their asses handed to them as soon as they meet a strong team in the CL (and I don't mean Napoli).
Player gets called a mercenary for choosing United over City. Oh my
It's so funny. We're somehow viewed negatively for paying Sanchez lavishly, Sanchez is mercenary and City who're relevant in the first place because of lavish Arab spending and full of mercenaries - are the good guys here. You can't make this shit up.
Given Arsenal never even accepted city's offer, one would need to be Ballague's level of dumb to say it was simply Sanchez choosing more money. For him to even have a choice, Arsenal would need to accept what City were offering. Funny thing is, if all Sanchez was interested in was money, he'd simply wait 6 months and pocket another feck tonne signing on fees and higher wages to move for free.
But of course, it's Pep and City, so we can throw all of that out of the window and call someone a mercenary for choosing United over City
It’s bizarre.
I think we can all agree that a journalist like Duncan Castles is a shill for Mourinho and by extension United. And that what he says is often frankly embarrassing.
Given some of the cry-arsing in the media about this deal from the likes of Neil Ashton (morals, principals etc), it does make you wonder if City have a whole host of shills out there.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. The club only exists to launder the reputation of a state after all. Press buy-in is essential.
No you can’t. You can form an opinion on which source you have decided to trust, and share that with us, nothing more.
There's literally a City fan calling Sanchez a mercenary for daring to accept United's offer over City's
Thread has been somewhat sidetracked.
Please back to discussing City.
Pep says his priority is in defence.
I don't really understand that. Does he mean more CBs?
Please back to discussing City.
Pep says his priority is in defence.
I don't really understand that. Does he mean more CBs?
That's just basic salary without any bonuses, Telegraph reported it few days back, offered deal is 16 Million which is around 300K per week.
Also it's worth to remember different deals are leaked differently. Some are leaked including all the bonuses, some are leaked with only basic pay.
No doubt that the likes of de Bruyne get a lot of incentives. Free shopping in Abu Dhabi, gifts such as villas, cars etc...obviously would not be reflected in the basic salary. Factoring these along with easily achievable bonuses, the top City players likely earn north of 250K, possibly over 300K. Otherwise, I don't think they would be happy being on Lingard money at City.
But it's fun to believe highest reported wages for ManUtd players and lowest for City players.
You’re going on about it like they’re getting send new £100k cars a week. The meltdown in to the money in here has been absolutely nuts. I said it when City were linked and I still think it holds true - nobody, not even the media, has any real idea what the players are getting paid. It gets reported by the club as a whole once a year and that’s your lot.
We’ll soon just see whether Sanchez is any good at United and judge him on that. Even if he was on £600k a week, if he wins United trophies next year it’s worth it, if he doesn’t then it’s not. Simple as that really.
Sane, Messi and Sterling in front of KDB for me. Every time I’ve seen Jesus play from the left or right he’s not nearly as effective. His movement is very clever in behind, but he doesn’t really pick the ball up and run at players. Both Sterling and Sane are better on the outside.
I was not criticizing City's wage structure. My opinion is that clubs are perfectly entitled to offer what they want to players they fancy. I was merely pointing out the likely specifics of their wage structure.
On the contrary its the meltdown about the money and loss of Sanchez from the majority of City and their club which is baffling.
You're a good poster but very deluded if you think Pep decided not to bother with the deal. That was only reported after a City media brief following it becoming blatantly obvious the player had chosen United. It was a veiled attempt to save face.
You still seem to be ignoring the fact your alleged deal with Sanchez was illegal in the first place and clearly upset Arsenal and Wenger (hence the scathing comments about City the other day).
You tried a sly and underhand deal and then have the audacity to complain when you get gazumped at the last minute by United.
With regards to quotes from staff obviously there are none but you're not silly and are fully aware City have been briefing the media relentlessly about Sanchez since the summer. Funny how when you had lost the deal the media were briefed that Pep pulled the plug, the deal was too expensive and the player always wanted city as his number one choice.
Very childish.
Jesus feck.
I have not seen his actual quotes but it looks like Kompany's body has officially given up so that leaves a first choice pairing of Stones and Otamendi, which is fine in itself but the back-up is Mangala and the young Tosin. We have four full-backs, if you include the injury-prone Delph, and Fernandinho is not getting any younger. I would hope Maffeo returns from Girona to augment the full backs. However, I think another CB and an alternative to Fernandinho would be a priority. A medium-term replacement for Aguero would be my third priority.
The Aguero quandary is a funny one.
Seems Promising doesn't fully trust him but the club seem hesitant to make a decision.
Do you reckon he will go?
That's just basic salary without any bonuses, Telegraph reported it few days back, offered deal is 16 Million which is around 300K per week.
Also it's worth to remember different deals are leaked differently. Some are leaked including all the bonuses, some are leaked with only basic pay.
Did I not say "rumored"? nobody actually has a clue what the deals are worth, it's all speculation. What's really nonsense is selectively believing a report that suits the agenda and calling bullshit to the ones that don't.
That's what I'm saying. Selective believing of reports.
Without knowing exactly what Pep thinks of him its very hard to say. He has a contract up until summer of 2020. My instincts say that if an immediate replacement could be bought this summer then, if the finances work out, we would consider letting him go. I think its more likely he goes in the summer of 2019, this gives City another year to find a replacement or a year where the replacement is given time to acclimatise (see B Silva). City would also get a transfer fee. At the moment I can't see him staying until summer 2020.
Aguero has been magnificent for City so I'm loathe to talk about him in this way but the club needs to be ruthless in its transfer activity.
Well then, it's lucky that players will accept 20 quid for the chance to play for Pep.
Not signing alexis is blessing in disguise for them. Mr best in history guardiola would play alexis on no9 position in which aguero is fantastic.